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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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Photo of ypsifly
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz brewed on 8/01/04 poured into a pint glass.

Ruby brown with a small white head that dies a fizzy death leaving a thin ring with not much lacing.

Smells of dark, ripe fruits paired with alcohol and malts.

The same fruits are strong in the taste with some brown sugar and a strong alcohol presence that is not unpleasing. Really warms you up as it goes down. The finish is peppery. Very complex.

The mouthfeel is a bit light due to the low carbonation and possible numbing effect from the alcohol. Way too strong to be considered drinkable, but a great beer that everyone should try at least once.

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Photo of fingolfin72
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Color- Deep, ruddy mahogany. No head to speak of.

Nose- Brown sugar, alcohol, sweet vermouth

Palate- Smooth, rich and malty. There are overtones of vermouth and toffee, and the mouthfeel is creamy. The finish is long and smooth, and I detect a mild, walnutty bitter tang in there. Quite easy to drink for a beer of this type.

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Photo of jamie2dope
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I received this beer as an extra from stopbarking. Thanks very much for including this beer, which has been on my wants list for as long as I can remember. The color is clear ruby, with a fingers worth of white heading. The smell is of honey, nectar, alcohol, and brown sugar. The flavor is sweet to the point of almost being cloying, with all of the same flavors listed above, coming off very juicy overall. The mouthfeel is slick and oily on the palate. While drinkable, the alcohol is definitely there and can be smelled and tasted. Certainly not a gulping beer, as the strong tastes and ABV prevent that. Most of the Kuhnhenn brews I have had all have a certain sickly sweetness, and richness to them, and Fourth Dementia is no different. This is one to sip after dinner like port or whiskey.

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Photo of tjthresh
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours brown with some nice reddish hues. There's a ring of dirty white foam around the edge. Bold nose with cherry pits, Werthers candies, Tootsie Rolls, and a bit of chewing tobacco. The flavor is rich with chocolate and chew. If they actually made chewing tobacco that tastes like this, I made pick it up again. Full body with just a bit of carbonation and a sweet finish. Very yummy stuff.

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Photo of badbeer
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Garnet color with a beige head that quickly recedes to a ring around the glass and leaves spotty lacing. Aroma is quite sweet with caramel, toffee, and dark fruit, but there still is a noticeable amount of hops (English variety?). Taste is vinous, has some brown sugar, dark fruits, a hint of spice it seems, and some grassy hops also coming through. Light carbonation and medium to full bodied. An enjoyable beer. Bottle courtesy of hoppymeal.

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Photo of OStrungT
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours a cloudy dark brown color with a slight reddish tint. It has a thin tan head. The head fades fast, leaving a small layer of head, with a decent lacing.

This beer has a very sweet aroma. It has a strong caramel malt aroma. I smell some dark fruit. Some plumbs, and figs. Behind that, I get a chocolate aroma.

This beer tastes exactly like it smells. Very sweet. A strong malty tasting beer. I taste the dark fruits as well. A slight chocolate flavor is also present.

This beer is very full bodied. It warms the throat as it goes down. It is low in carbonation, well for the style.

I doubt this beer would make a great session beer. It has a very aggressive, sweet flavor. Also, it is a little high in alcohol.

Overall: Thanks to Faro for this beer. Although not my favorite style, I do like to have one every not and again. This one is good.

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Photo of CharlesDarwin
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Originally reviewed on December 1, 2006. 12 Oz Bottle. Sweet sugar currant malt amalgamation of raisin, cream and fragrant yeast. Light fruitcake spice and aged rum. Candied papaya and other fruits. Colored with clouded pale mahogany with deep ruby-brown core and sunset fringes. Rim of off-white. A quiet silky smooth palate of fresh creamy raisins and loads of tawny caramel malts. A highlight of fresh black cardamon pods over the yeast character. A background of tooth-biting hop flavor rallied around a lemon kiss in the middle of the tongue. Sweet mexican cocoa powder and heavy british toffees with faint buttermilk arise from the middle. Alcohol alights the sinuses, however gently. Beautifully malt flavors. A touch cloying and clingly. Dark sugars fringes edge towards a hint of medicine notes, which keep this from excelling. But, the dry chocolate and faint coffee highlights are especially appreciated. Faint oxidation.

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Photo of Phyl21ca
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle courtesy of Kryptic: Poured a cloudy burgundy color ale with a small head with minimal retention and some lacing. Aroma of sweet malt with some dry fruit characteristics. Taste is also dominated by sweet malt notes with some dry fruits (plums, figs). Full body with limited filtration and some low carbonation. No alcohol was discernable which is quiet a feta considering the ABV in this beer. Not as complex as I was expecting but very good nonetheless; a great late night sipper for sure.

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Photo of hoppymcgee
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Knifestyles for this bottle. Poured from a 2008 vintage bottle into a Ommegang tulip glass.

A: Reddish dark brown with little to no head. Pretty still and almost wine-like besides the tiny ring of carbonation.

S: Nutty, buttery, toffee, toasted almond. Overall, a pretty sweet smell (pun intended).

T: This beer is quite complex. The overall notion is sweet. Underneath I get port wine characteristics, a little roastiness and a little nuttiness, but it still finishes sweet.

M: The right amount of carbonation for this style and ABV. I actually wish this was a little more viscous.

D: The booze has worn off, but the sweetness is in full force. This beer is best had in 4 to 6oz. servings as it is pretty rich.

Overall, maybe a bit hyped or maybe 2008 wasn't a great vintage or maybe it was aged past its prime.

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Photo of rlee1390
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Clear ruby amber, not much carbonation one finger off white head

S-Malt heavy, caramel, dark fruits and raisins.

T-Very sweet with caramel and molasses, lots of dark fruits. Balance is slightly off

M-Medium to heavy not much carbonation

O-Was expecting a lot better, glad I was able to try it but was not my cup of tea.

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Photo of beerdrifter
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up from a great trade with page101. Clear ruby-brown pour with almost no head and minimal lacing. Earthy, complex, malty nose with hints of toffee, caramel, oak, rye, and a touch of dark fruit and vanilla. The taste is complex as well, and also dominated by the sweet malt. Lots of roasty toffee, caramel and hazelnut with a boozy, woody bite. Hints of rye, raisins, figs, vanilla and oak. Extremely rich with a nice subtle alcohol warming. This is definitely a sipper. The mouthfeel is slightly syrupy, thick and chewy and plenty sweet, with just a touch of hop bitterness. The alcohol warms, but for the most part is pretty well hidden for such a big beer. Another great Michigan beer. Can't wait to try the Bourbon Barrel Fourth Dementia. Thanks Alex!

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Photo of MaltyGoodness
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle brewed on 8/1/04 and best before 2010. Labels lists this as 11% ABV. Bottle provided by Frozensoul327.

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a white head that fades to a ring around the inside of the glass. Sparse lacing.

Smells sweet and malty with an ample amount of hops. I get some light nutty and chocloatey tones mixed in as well. A hint of booze ecapes now and then just to remind you that it's 11% ABV.

Sweet and malty upfront with some nice caramel and chocolate undertones. A nice bitter wave of hops rushes in for a monent and then actually finishes rather sweet. A MONSTER flavor, not for the weak of palate.

Big fat belly on this girl. I wouldn't expect less, with such a big flavor.

Rather drinkable for such a big beer. I probably consumed the bottle a little too quickly....

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Photo of tobelerone
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a rich chestnut brown; nearly clear, with very little head or lacing. Complex aroma is vinous, sweet, toasted marshmallows as mentioned on the label; toffee and caramel, raisins, booze, woody notes. Flavor equally complex but less sweet; there’s the trace of marshmallow and toffee from the nose but less prominent in the taste; oaky, slightly corky, vinous. Port and brandy flavors, some heat and warming as expected from the high ABV but not too much burn. Pleasant fusel alcohol presence. Low carbonation but not still; a little sticky, somewhat creamy. Medium body, could be a bit fuller. Finishes surprisingly dry. Tasty old ale; would love to see what the barrel aging brings to this very intriguing beer.

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Photo of putnam
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

A stunning beer to look at and positively humbling to smell. Brown/black and surging with slow, lazy fizz - though there is no possibility of any doughiness to the head. It falls to an oily slick of gray. The aromas are, in fact, of "sludge." There is a murky, seaweed and rotting grass core to the bouquet that suggests coffee-fed cattle and hogs. It is a touch nauseating, but only a touch. Compelling to the beholder (especially one raised on western island Scotch) is the peaty, iodine-rich, smoked molasses sweetness available to the nose. I taste it.

Sweet, and suggestive of solera-treated sugars from the Spanish empire: Brandy, Pedro Ximenez, Rum, Malaga. The flavors move upon the palate with unrelenting seriousness. Bubbling, rotting tanks of molasses, cured spinach, shoe polish decorate the rancio nuttiness and toffee of the former.

I am a disciple of the Kuhnhenn way. This is a brewery that takes risks and always issues forth a fascinating drink independent of how challenging or even awkward it may initially seem. My advice is to study these repeatedly.

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Photo of DIM
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 vintage

a: This was a clear,very dark brownish cherry red. It poured with a minimal light tan head that quickly faded to a ring around the glass.

s: At various times I detected, very ripe cherries soaked in brandy, sharply sour apples, raw sugar cane, earthy peats, vanilla, and molasses. The fruit aromas were the most noticeable. As it warmed some flowery smells emerged as well.

t: Dominated by sour cherry flavors along with some raisins. I also tasted some dry, flowery apples, mild sugary peats, vanilla, and alcohol. Very good, but a bit out of balance.

m: Very thick, bordering on too syrupy. The carbonation was subtle but effective.

d: This was quite tasty, but it wan't the best old ale I've tried. Thanks to goryshkewych for this one.

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Photo of assurbanipaul
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy brown with a little ring of a head. Aroma is big and sweet, like a malty maple syrup.

Taste is robust. Lots of caramelized malt, maybe even flavors of roasted meat (duck?). Sweet butterscotch, cream butter, maple syrup, light indistinct hop bitterness. A hint of smoke, maybe cigarette ash, peat, fruity like a merlot, more maple syrup again. No flavors of alcohol, but you can feel the heat if you hold it on the palate.

Mouthfeel is heavy like a barleywine but smooth like a scotch. Shares a lot of elements with a nice aged scotch, especially when warmed slightly. Dances around both the barleywine and fine Scottish ale styles. I agree with the others, a bold and tremendous flavor profile that, strangely, hurts its drinkability (too intense?). But me likey, and it would be great to age.

Label says bottled on 08-01-04, 11% ABV.

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Photo of raznug
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2008 vintage
Appearance: It pours a cloudy reddish color topped with 1” of off white tight head that holds firm at a ¼”. There are chunks floating in the brew I think I forgot about the yeast settlings in the bottom of the bottle.
Smell: It smells of sweet malt and some alcohol. In the background you can smell toffee and caramel.
Taste: It tastes very sweet to start, there are bourbon notes, and toffee, caramel and alcohol are the major taste flavors in this brew. The sweetness is almost too much as the beer warms.
Mouthfeel: This is a beer that has a thickness to it that doesn’t dominate the palate but allows the flavor lingers nicely.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Black cherry cordial beneath a three finger crown of attractive golden caramel foam. As the proportions of beer and head begin to reverse, I'm amazed at the fiery brilliance of the liquid. An ABV of 11% is probably a bit high to expect much lace, and, in fact, the glass is almost untouched. Still though, this is a very nice looking old ale.

The nose--by my nose at least--is indistinguishable from a barleywine. In addition to aromas of concentrated cherries and raspberries, there's a good bit of sweet caramel and fruit juice infused tobacco. Alcohol is present, as it will most likely be for at least several more years. I need more complexity and sheer force of personality to break out the big numbers though.

On the palate, I'm again reminded of a barleywine. The flavor profile follows the nose directly and, like the nose, could be deeper and more multi-faceted. I started the bottle out at barely cool so I don't think that temperature is an issue. Let's see what happens as the ounces disappear.

My taste buds are quite happy during the initial submersion. For such a big beer though, the flavor fades a bit too quickly, never quite reaching critical mass. I need more time to explore all of the beer's dimensions, but I can't quite get to the third one, the one that bestows volume and depth. I'm probably being a little hard on Fourth Dementia, but my expectations were sky high and they weren't met. That always makes me a little grumpy.

Caramel-drizzled, brandy-soaked cherries account for most of the flavor profile. I had a feeling that the hops that were present when this bottle was young (bottled on 8-1-04) have long since faded and that's exactly the case. There isn't a great of sweetness to counter though, so a huge hop load isn't needed at this point. The finish is on the short side for the style. The high ABV and the lack of malty assertiveness see to it that it's drying as well.

The body fills out a little from start to finish and manages to reach softly creamy by the final few ounces. It's nowhere near too carbonated, but a few fewer bubbles would have made the mouthfeel more silky and more enjoyable than it already is. This is a pretty good sipper though, I'm glad that I chose a snifter.

This bottle of Fourth Dementia has been biding its time in my cellar for over a year now. Given the 'best before 2010' on the label, I was in no hurry to sample the goods. After drinking it, I don't believe that it's going to improve from here on out. In the final reckoning, it's a good old ale, but 'great' never even crossed my mind.

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Photo of Treyliff
3.99/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2013 vintage
12oz bottle poured into a snifter

A- pours a deep brown with some light creeping through, very thin head that disappears almost immediately

S- smells of burnt caramel/toffee, molasses, rum soaked raisins, fruit cake, leather, tobacco, soy sauce & cardboard. Oxidization is definitely settling in

T- big caramel sweetness up front consumes the entry, quickly followed by melted caramel/toffee, rum soaked fig & raisin, black cherry, even a bit of sherry. Bready maltiness gives notes of brown bread with molasses. Just a hint of oxidization gives a bit of soy sauce on the finish, but lingers with more caramel, dark fruit & brandy-like notes

M- medium body with low carbonation gives just a bit of foamy mouthfeel that coats the mouth with a thick and viscous finish, abv hidden well

O- super complex with tone of caramel/dark fruit sweetness througout. Oxidation starting to set in, this may have been at it's prime at around two years

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Photo of Sammy
3.98/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

2004 bottle. Barleywine aroma. Yeast, lace. Good carbonation. Sweetness and accompanying spicey yeast, pineapple. The alcohol is ever present and a medium-full mouthfeel. Would love to try again in a year and again in five. Thanks Tim(IPFreely)for sharing. Second bottle 5 months later, harshness on mouth after the first few sips.
Six years later and somewhat sour. Great labels though.
Nine years later and very smooth spices, cola, caramel.

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Photo of FtownThrowDown
3.98/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours brown in color with some very nice ruby highlights around the edges. Smell is classic old ale. Lots of malts, toffee and just a bit of alcohol rearing it's ugly head to mix it up a bit.
Flavor is huge. Some more huge malts, more toffee and some nice dark fruit to round it out. Again, I keep getting a bit more of the alcohol than I care to notice and it detracts a little from the beer. It's hard to hide the alcohol when it's at close to 12%, but it was a little bit too evident. Very big and smooth on the mouthfeel.
A whole bottle would be a bit much. This is a very nice sipper to sit back and savor and enjoy.

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Photo of sopor
3.98/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Dark cloudy copper brown pours thick and oily, very relunctant to form a head. Tiny, almost indistinguishable bubbles form an almost unnoticed cascade through the entire glass eventually but still giving only a small tan film. Dark sweet molasses smell is strong.

Taste is right along the lines of the smell. Dark fruits like plumbs, raisins mixed with caramel and molasses to beyond cloying. Alcohol is evident but not obvious while hops are subdued resinous notes. Hints of tangy, bready and buttery notes tease the tongue but never develop past a mere whisper. Moderate and slick body with very little carbonation.

Tasty and complex, but a bit overpowering.

Thanks to Frozensoul327 for this gem!

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Photo of ahking
3.97/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Piney, citrusy, and fruit punch aromas attack your nose. Super smooth and malty with enough hops present to remind you this is beer. Deep ruby/mahogany colors. Full and chewy mouthfeel.Very tasty ale; I want to drink more, but high ABV prevents that. I really like this beer. True testament to how good it is: I would drink this beer warm and flat!

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Photo of illidurit
3.97/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

07 bottle courtesy bret27. Pours a murky orange-brown with barely any tan head. Aroma is big on tropical fruit and caramel. Flavor is similar, monstrous body with tons of caramel, ripe citrus and figs. Alcohol really isn't that noticeable. It's warming but well-integrated. Very rich and full-bodied, a good slow-sipper.

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Photo of younger35
3.97/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received this brew quite some time back. This will be my third brew from Kuhnhenn and so far I'm not overly impressed. Drank from my Ithaca Excelsior tulip. Non dated bottle, which according to my buddy means this is pre 2007.

Appearance- Pours a very dark brownish red with a small half finger white head that recedes quickly. A lily pad cap is left with a very thin collar that leaves zero lacing.
Smell- Very fruity and dark with a strong raisin and fig scent. Some berry tones as well consisting of blackberry's and raspberries. Loads of caramel and brown sugar as well as sherry and candied cherries. Perhaps a touch of vanilla as the beer seems to smell sweeter as it warms.
Taste- Much like the nose it starts exceedingly fruity with booze soaked cherries and figs. The alcohol has a fairly significant bite yet the beer remains amazingly smooth. Loads of toffee, brown sugar, molasses and sherry seem to coat my entire mouth. Some light accents of chocolate and sherbet give way to deep earthy tones of tobacco and leather. A lingering bit of fruit and slight astringency finish the beer.
Mouthfeel- Not overly full or really all that heavy considering how big this brew is. Very lightly carbonated with a slick warming feel.
Drinkability- Well considering I'm not a huge Old Ale fan I did really enjoy this brew. It took me quite awhile to finish this brew but I did enjoy the heck out of it. It was a nice change of pace from my usual choices. Tasty stuff!

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