Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
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93.3%
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4.29 w/ 1,049 Ratings
Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#621
Reviews:
450
Ratings:
1,049
Liked:
979
Avg:
4.29/5
pDev:
8.86%
Alströms:
-
 
 
Wants:
618
Gots:
213
Trade:
25
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Ratings: 1,049 |  Reviews: 450
Photo of xgrigorix
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Twelve ounce brown bottle. Brewed on date, along with best by 2011.

Deep rudy chestnut brown. Thin whisp of a beige coloured head. No lace.

Smells like caramel dipped apples that have been marinating in port. Also a slight solvent smell.

Toffe and caramel abound. Intense malt. Comples with a pleasant fruitiness. Finishes off-dry, without becoming cloying. Warms the throat on the way down. Viscous, full bodies elixer with very relaxed carbonation. An excellent adventure.

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Photo of bonkers
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I picked up this 2010 vintage bottle in Secret Halloween 2011. The pour is a muddy caramel with a slight white head. The aroma is wonderful, lots of caramel and toffee, hints of alcohol. Taste as good as it smells, mild alcohol on the finish. The body is full, sticky mouthfeel, light carbonation. A great very enjoyable beer, thanks Michael.

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Photo of fartingdog
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Brewed on 02/16/05

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a decent, yet quickly receeding head. First whiff was delicious - sweet, berry-like and rich. The taste? My first remark was 'delicious'. Full and rich with licorice, berries, dates and caramel. Mouthfeel is delectable, rich and smooth. There's a faint alcohol warming on the finish. This is a fantastic beer to savor.

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Photo of MbpBugeye
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks normyk, this is a long time want.

As expected, very minimal head. Beautiful deep rusted chestnut. Deep, rich butternut and toffee aromas. Lots of caramel and alcohol on the nose.The taste is great. Strong toffee, caramel and nuttiness. I can't wait to try the-bal aged version, but honestly it can't get much better than this.

This beer is pretty huge but it enters a different realm of drinkability, sipability. The cant recall the ABV on my bottle but it was in the 13% neighborhood. This is a long evening sipper. Just the thing you need this time of year.

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Photo of sinstaineddemon
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

A - this renowned old ale pours a dark red into a tulip glass with a thick smooth tan head with the beer too dark to see any but slight hints of carbonation

S - raisins are the first sensation in the aroma, followed swiftly by toffee and vanilla, with some background hints of anise

T - the taste has the same elements as the aroma, dark sweetness like that of raisins or dates up front, followed shortly by the lighter sweetness of vanilla and toffee, these flavors start of not subdued, but without intensity, but the intensity grows as the taste culminates in a big finish

M&D - smooth and mellow for such a high ABV, flavors and mouthfeel entice with every sip, one of the easier 13+% beers i have had, quite a good job, worth the 700 miles

the new menu has this beer at 13.5%

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Photo of cpmichael
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Bottle.

A: Pours a light ruby red color, with a 1 finger tan foam that dissipates quickly. Looks fairly syrupy.

S: Whoa, really complex. Smells very sweet, cotton candy, caramel, some prunes and other dark fruits. The booze is discernible.

T: Layers of caramel, toffee, raisins, a little nutty, and almost a brandy-like sweetness to it. Very sweet, but not in a bad way.

M/D: Medium carbonation, very thick, almost like syrup. Awesome texture, the booze is totally there, but it was pretty smooth and drinkable. I want to try again.

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Photo of pmarlowe
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 vintage. Kuhnhenn tulip glass.

Pours a deep caramel brown, no lacing and minimal head which disappears completely within a few minutes. Aroma is caramel and malt, brown sugar, some toffee, rye toast, musky and leather notes, chocolate and candied cherries. Alcohol burn is noticeable on the nose. The taste picks up a lot of the nice complex flavors in the aromas, especially the sweet caramel malt, milk chocolate, and toffee. A little bitterness coats the mouth on the finish. Warm, full bodied and medium carbonation, which is probably high for the style but works fine for me. A little hot going down. Overall, this is a fantastic, complex beer, a real sipper but still quite drinkable despite the body and alcohol. My only complaint is that the alcohol is noticeable on both the nose and palate; not terribly surprising, but knocks it down a notch.

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Photo of MusicaleMike
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a balloon glass. The body is a deep, dark mahogany, verging on opaque. The head is a pillowy, two finger thick, tan foam that has excellent retention. Tiny bubbles. Very lasting, which is surprising for a beer that has such a high alcohol content. Some lacing.

Ripe pineapple is the first thing that came to mind in the aroma. It has a rich, malty sweetness, but a certain tartness/acidity in the aroma which I find desirable in an olde ale. Sherry-like. As it warms, notes of fig emerge.

Taste is bold, explosive. Alcohol and rich caramel malts intertwine, with a balancing bitterness and sweet, vinous finish. Carbonation is excellent and absolutely perfect for helping to lighten the body of this massive beer. Full bodied. Sticky. Nutty, toffee-like aftertaste.

This is a great olde ale. With a perfect appearance, and an excellent aroma, with an equally complex flavor, and active carbonation that serves this beer well, it may be the best in the style I've ever had. Would love to see what additional aging could bring to this beer.

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Photo of hoppymeal
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow, Kuhnhenn knows old ale. This beer pours a dark brown color with hints of a deep red in the light. There is no head no matter how rapid I pour it and a low level of carbonation. Rich sugary caramel and prune aromas let me know I am in for a treat. Light bitterness in present in the taste but it is balanced and overpowered by the sweet rich malty flavors. The alcohol is so well balanced it is barely discernible, just a warming in the back of the throat in the finish. A sipper for sure, this beer is a very fine example of one of my favorite styles.

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Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

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Photo of LakerLeith
4.41/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of WeisGuy
4.41/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Had drinks at Kuhnhenn in Warren on Saturday night, but I'm enjoying 4th Dementia on-tap in Durham at Tyler's right now - strange. Served in a Kuhnhenn tulip.

a - very dark color, dark dark brown with slight burgundy highlights on the edges, big dense ivory head with very good retention considering the abv and awesome lacing - a truly beautiful beer

s - strong toffee and caramel aromas dominate the intensely malty nose, some dark fruits, raisins, plums in there as well, some booze

t - very intense tastes, big caramel and toffee up front, quite sweet and malty but not cloying, body has some rum-soaked raisin and plum, finish has more caramel and dark fruits with a nice amount of booziness and it's long-lasting

m - full-bodied, quite creamy and coating of the mouth, finish is fairly sweet, nice warming from the alcohol

d - this is definitely a sipper, but one I'd love to sip all night, taste is intense but you don't get tired of it

I'm not a big fan of Old Ales, but this beer is really amazing and very much worthy of the high reviews. Here's to hoping Kuhnhenn releases some more bottles at the upcoming release party so more BAs can enjoy this brew.

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Photo of grub
4.41/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

review number 400. woohoo!

sampled on tap at the brewery.

pours very dark brown with a nice very dense light tan head. the head drops very slowly and leaves a thick sheet of lace around the glass.

aroma is great. bit of alcohol. light roast. huge bread and biscuit malts. caramel. bit of dark fruit.

wow! taste is incredible. nice warm blast of alcohol initially, then the malt. tons and tons of malt. caramel. bit of toffee. bread and biscuits toasted with jam. date and a bit o fraisin. so delicious and complex. by about half way down the 10oz glass you start to feel the warmth throughout. layers of flavour in waves, almost too hard to pick each out.

mouthfeel is excellent. silky smooth medium-low carbonation level. nice big body.

drinkability is excellent. a sipper, no doubt, but something i feel like i could sip on all day. good balance between the malt and alcohol with minimal hop presence, just the way an old ale should be. another world class beer from kuhnhenn.

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Photo of DaPeculierDane
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

In many ways 4th dimension is much more like a cordial or after dinner liquor than a beer. Its viscosity appears as such and its booziness is so forthright, rich, and fiery in powerful ways. The appearance is quite pleasing – a deep crimson tinged ruby body. Truly a unique and brilliant color. Lacing is minimal to say the least but that’s highly forgivable in such a large beer. Fruity alcohol aromas dominate the nose. Raspberry, mulberry, and cherry. Then toffee and biscuits come into play and finally the whole endeavor is finished with tobacco and rounded out with vanilla. The flavor doesn’t diverge much from the nose. Dark fruits rule here as well, mostly berries but also some plum and raison. Toffee is also a large component. Herbal, boozy finish. Not drinkable in large quantities. A real after dinner sort of sipper and quite the well rounded, hyper warming, fun big beer. I would really like a growler or two of this around Christmas to sip on while sitting around the fire.

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Photo of dirtylou
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz single, got this bottle from CRJMellor in a trade, label says best before 2010 so I think I am good

Ah, my first kuhnhenn beer ever. How exciting!

appearance: quite murky, a distinct mahogany/amber color, light bubbling head and lacing.

smell: aromas of deep dark fruit with some alcohol soakage, caramel malty core, woody.

taste: quite a nice old ale...alcohol is definately present and the hop bitterness is dead on. lots of earthy/woody notes thoughout...dark fruit and berries are key components

mouthfeel: extraordinarily smooth up until the bite of hop bitterness in the aftertaste, outstanding

drinkability: very drinkable

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Photo of scootny
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2010 bottle. A murky dark mahogany with lots of chunks floating and swirling around. Some lace and a remnants of the light wispy head sitting on top. Smell is a fusion of brandy/rum and beer with a heavy sweetness and lots of burnt sugar flowing into a heavy alcoholic presence. Some bits of dark roasted grains and yeasty fruitiness. Chocolate laps at the nose. Raisins and figs in there as well. Taste is densely sweet with the aforementioned raisins and figs. Notes of coffee and bitter cocoa powder. Hops are here in abundance and still they barely control the massive sugar content of this ale. Earthy in character and mildly pungent they bring a semblance of balance to this beer. Feel is thick. Thick like a sandwich from the Carnegie Deli in NYC, ( You can get four slices of extra bread and still have to stretch your mouth to bite it ). Carbonation is mild and gentle with enough pop to break up the syrupy, sticky nectar. This is a beer equivalent to Napoleon Brandy with a warming quality that keeps your swallows in check. Try to pound this one and you are lost cause. Sip, savor and warm up as you indulge your senses in this one. While it may work with sweeter desserts I'm thinking nuts and full flavored cheeses as a perfect compliment to this one.

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Photo of franksnbeans
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours out a muddy mohogany with a ruby hue. Big creamy head that dies quick to a thin layer with full sheets of lace throughout. Smell is very sweet and creamy. Dried dark fruit, plumb, fig, cherry, some raspberry, toffee and caramel. Taste starts a little syrupy with the fruits showing then the caramel and toffee shine through then take over the palate. Finishes a little dry. Creamy, thick and smooth as silk in the mouth. A definite sipper with its ABV that serves as a treat but no more than one per sitting. Definitely worth seeking out.

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Photo of The_Beer_Shark
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.25

Photo of John_M
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Dyan for sharing this beer with me, my first ever beer from Kuhnhenn Brewing.

The beer pours a dark brown color with very good head retention and lacing. The nose on this beer is huge, presenting brown sugar, butter, chocolate and leather. Mama mia, this beer smells great! Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, and I'm impressed by how incredibly rich tasting and intense the flavor profile is. Furthermore, despite considerable sweetness, this beer was not the least bit heavy, cloying or tiring on the palate. I get some slight woodiness on the finish, which only adds to the extremely long and smooth finish. Alcohol is noticeable, but is not intrusive in any way. Still, this is clearly a sipper, and one is all I can ever imagine having of this fine beer. Nevertheless, this is a very flavorful, very big, and very fine beer. Excellent stuff.

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Photo of DefenCorps
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received in trade with goryshkewych. 2007 vintage, split with largadeer.

A: Deep crimson with ruby highlights. Thin tan head

S: Leather and sheesah (hookah tobacco) are what strike me off the bat. There's a hint of smokiness, plums and alcohol. There's also something spicy here. Intriguing and interesting

T: Intense. Medium body to start with with leather and tobacco up front. Fruitiness (plums and raisins) come through followed by a dry finish

M:With the low carbonation and the dry finish, this one is great

D: We ended our drinking session with this. A perfect nightcap.

**Edit: 3rd October 2009.

I drank my second bottle from the 2007 vintage last night and holy crap was it awesome. Fabulous brown sugar, vanilla and spicy alcohol on the nose, with fruity and leather character. Excellently balanced and integrated with a touch of smoke.

The flavors are ridiculously smooth and this is one very easy drinking full-bodied beer, deep and complex with brown sugar, leather, wet wood, figs, prunes and spicy alcohol., Caramel, vanilla, toffee and tobacco round out the flavors and the finish with a prominent tobacco character is AWESOME.
Nose: +0.5, Mouthfeel: +0.5

**Edit 11 March 2012**
2008 Vintage received from Viggo. Thanks, Eric! 11.8% ABV

This vintage seems fruitier and sweeter, both on the nose and the palate, with brown sugar, prunes, raisins and maybe some dates? Less leather, less tobacco, this does remind me of the BB 4D. Lighter in body, making this extremely drinkable. Still, excellent. 4/4.5/4/4.5/4

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Photo of PG2G
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Photo of Georgiabeer
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks very much to WeisGuy for the chance to try this beer. Pours a dark brown, close to black with a thin head that fades to a very thin ring. Smells of licorice and blackstrap molasses, slightly treacly, and herbal, but not sweet. The taste starts with more of that European style licorice flavor- not sweet, but more earthy and bitter, in fact a deeply herbal bitterness is present in this beer, like Fernet Branca. To me, that is delicious, but be prepared for the amaro like bitterness. More blackstrap on the finish. Complex and delicious. Low carbonation and a tiny bit sticky in the mouthfeel, but still reasonable. Very interesting, I like this a lot, but I wouldn't call this a particularly balanced beer.

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Photo of schreurb
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%

Photo of farrago
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

You get a good two fingers at first of light tan, creamy foam, mostly microfoam with a pile here or there of larger bubbles, above average retention with a brush of lacing here or there. Unusual clarity for the category with a deep cherry red veneer, only a very slight fade to more base orange around the rims, highly attractive. The nose unfolds at a langorous pace, layers of candied nuts, caramel, toffee, brown sugar, baker's chocolate as well as prune, black raisin, cherry, apricot fruit, elusive smokiness and mossy notes, displays a great deal of power without clumsiness. Full-bodied and then some, covers every mouth pore like rubber glue. Given its texture and overall sweetness, does stay notably fresh and in movement. Avalanche of caramel, toffee, crème brûlée, butterscotch, chocolate, brown sugar, you name it. Maraschino cherry, poached apricot, golden raisin, prune, fig fruit. Candied tangerine citrus adds more sweet and sour. Carbonation behaves like a lava lamp. An edge of peat moss, charcoal, tar pulls it back from the precipice of oversweetness. Even as it warms keeps its balance, although you do suspect you could light the surface with a match. No port handy, drink this beer.

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Photo of ChainGangGuy
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a clear, reddish-brown body with a small ring of white bubbles.

Smell: Lucious malt aroma with notes of caramel, dark fruits, and vanilla sugar cookies. Not too shabby!

Taste: Strong maltiness back by a rich, full flavor of toasted caramel and gooey dark brown sugar. Very light touch of roast. Some vanilla. Layers of stewed fruits. Mild, earthy hop bitterness. Soothingly sweet, warming finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-full body. Medium carbonation. A bit chewy.

Drinkability: Well! That was quite a lovely old ale. I definitely recommend acquiring a bottle (or three).

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 93.3% out of 100 with 1,049 ratings
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