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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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Photo of fingolfin72
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Color- Deep, ruddy mahogany. No head to speak of.

Nose- Brown sugar, alcohol, sweet vermouth

Palate- Smooth, rich and malty. There are overtones of vermouth and toffee, and the mouthfeel is creamy. The finish is long and smooth, and I detect a mild, walnutty bitter tang in there. Quite easy to drink for a beer of this type.

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Photo of jamie2dope
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I received this beer as an extra from stopbarking. Thanks very much for including this beer, which has been on my wants list for as long as I can remember. The color is clear ruby, with a fingers worth of white heading. The smell is of honey, nectar, alcohol, and brown sugar. The flavor is sweet to the point of almost being cloying, with all of the same flavors listed above, coming off very juicy overall. The mouthfeel is slick and oily on the palate. While drinkable, the alcohol is definitely there and can be smelled and tasted. Certainly not a gulping beer, as the strong tastes and ABV prevent that. Most of the Kuhnhenn brews I have had all have a certain sickly sweetness, and richness to them, and Fourth Dementia is no different. This is one to sip after dinner like port or whiskey.

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Photo of TexIndy
4.03/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got in a trade with phyl21ca - many thanks! Poured from a 12oz bottle into a snifter. Opened with a very audible pop. It had a crazy label on it. Black and white (from a laser printer maybe) with the worst glue job I've ever seen on a beer. Rippled to hell and back and partly torn. No date on it so can't tell the year. Seems that most years have a date but not this one. Bottling code on bottom of bottle but no way to decipher it. It was a dark, dark russet brown with mahogany highlights. Mostly opaque except the edges which showed bits of yeast. Tiny bit of carb and fast sliding lacing. Had a good sized beige head that slowly settle to a collar with broken foam.

The aroma was very much like barleywine. Dark fruit, lots of alcohol, very sweet malt. The taste was very sweet. Approaching cloying but stopped just shy. Alcohol is very present here as well. The sweet hits right at the front and never fades. Same with the alcohol. Halfway thru and I'm feeling it. Good buzz with warm throat and stomach. This is definitely a sipping beer. A good beer for sharing as well. Wish the sweetness was offset a bit but still very tasty. The mouthfeel is good. Very thick and creamy. It's like you are chewing it instead of drinking it. But the alcohol bite gets old. The drinkability is hurt by the sweetness and the alcohol presence. While the taste itself is excellent, half of the bottle would be plenty for me.

Overall, an excellent beer that I'm glad I finally got to try. Recommend especially if you like barley wines. For me, one is enough unless I can easily get another.

UPDATE: after my review, I found out that the vintage was 2008 so this one is still pretty hot and could use some time to age. Will seek another one and properly age it and re-review.

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Photo of brewandbbq
4.03/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle, 2007 vintage at 52 degrees.

Pours dark mahogany, almost opaque, but when held to the light a ruby clarity shines through. An inch-plus head of ultra dense froth sank slowly and revealed a rocky skim coat on the surface with plenty of clingy lacework.

Aromatics lead off with rich malt, chipped toffee, dried figs, plump raisins, and scorched caramel. A hint of wet leather follows through along with a dash of cocoa.

On the full side of medium bodied with a cremay, chewy mouthfeel. Carbonation level is right on. Lively enough to keep things from being syrupy.

Plump ripe malt, drizzeled caramel, toffee syrup, and malt-steeped raisins start the palate. A mild vineous note pulls through along with warming alcohol and a hint of sherry.

Finishes with a lingering malt base, a hint of warmth, and toffee-coated raisins.

As far as Kuhnhenn goes, this is one of thier "dryer" offerings. While it has plenty of residuals and a whallop of malt with an extract nod, it remains balanced for an Old Ale. Where it's lacking though is the straight up vineousity thats an integral part of the style.

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Photo of mrandypandy
4.03/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle purchased at the Brew Depot in Ann Arbor.

A - Pours a clear, deep, thick brown/caramel. No head or lacing but I wouldn't expect much from a brew at 13.5%.
S - Interesting mix of alcohol, chocolate covered cherries and buttered-popcorn jellybeans. Yes, I'm serious.
T - A lot going on here. Dark fruits (figs, plums, raisins), malty sweetness with an alcohol bite at the end.
M - Full body, thick heavy and slightly sweet.
D - Sipper, for sure. One bottle was more than enough.

Overall- Well done, and what I would expect from an Old Ale. the high ABV is present but not overbearing. I would love to try the bourbon-barrel-aged version.

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Photo of dar482
4.04/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

The beer comes in a dark brown with a bit of a head.

The aroma has sweet caramel, toffee, toasty malt, lots of deep brown sweetness along with some umami in the end.

The flavor follows again with lots of toffee and brown sugar. Toasty malt. Tons of umami and molasses as well. The beer is extremely sweet, to its failure.

The mouthfeel is quite creamy on the medium to heavy mouthfeel.

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Photo of nlmartin
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This is the 2010 version. The beer was chilled and served in a snifter.

Appearance: The body of the beer is a clear chestnut coloration. The head is a thin white coloration. The head quickly resolved to a ring of foam.

Smell: The aroma of well toasted and roasted malts combine to produce a beer heavy on toffee and caramel aromas, cocoa dipped and slightly burnt marshmellow as the beer continues to warm up dark fruit smells emerge. Plenty of bourbon aroma to the nose.

Taste: The flavor of the beer gives out a lot of toffee, caramel, almost butterscotch, raisins, plums and figs rise out of the middle of all this sweet malt. The fruity nature continues to develop as the beer warms. The alcohol is a tiny bit warm but helps to break up sweetness.

Mouthfeel: The body of the beer is medium. The carbonation is moderate. The alcohol peaks its head up and says hello in a warming fashion. Again the alcohol keeps the beer from heading into the cloying level.

Overall: The beers character is very enjoyable. I am sitting on a couple more bottles and hope to see what a little time does for this beer.

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Photo of gordavidson
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

2007 Vintage.

A- A deep ruddy brown with some ruby hues. A white head maintains itself with decent retention.

S- Some alcohol, cinnamon, caramel, spiciness. Some oak with some nice agedness. A whole bunch of raisin aroma. Not too shabby.

T- Same as the aroma with the alcohol amazingly well hidden. Maybe a bit warm, but all the flavors come together very well.

M- Not too hot at all. A little sweet and just a bit cloying.

D- For the ABV, this is pretty drinkable. Some age has done this well. I'm impressed.

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Photo of AdamGarcia
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I believe this one is courtesy of Randalld. Thanks!

12oz btl poured into Kasteel goblet. 2009 vintage, 12.5% abv.

A: Pours a lovely deep brown with crimson edges. Even has lilac highlights in some lights. Small head from a forceful pour that retreats to a ring of bubbles after about a minute.

S: Sweet white grape juice and maraschino cherry. Slight astringency. Sweet malt overflows from the glass. Toffee. No hop scent to speak of.

T: Very rich. Overripe cherry and plum. Rum soaked raisins. Very mild hop bite. Port-like character. Chocolate covered caramel. A little bit of toffee. Tobacco and just a hint of smoke. Finishes with a faint note of coffee. Very complex. Just a bit of heat. I seem to discover something new with every single sip.

M: Low carbonation. Slick and coating mouthfeel.

D: The complexity assures that the drinker will never be bored. The abv makes it difficult to have more than one.

This is an amazing beer. It tastes as if it is much older and I mean that in a good way. There is just a touch of heat that will surely be less noticeable with longer cellaring. I've got another bottle that I'd like to hide away for several years. Definitely worth seeking out.

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Photo of mjyoung
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to scottfrie for this one.

A: The dark brown of a fine wood (mahogany) with absolutely no head and some definite booze stickiness. Nothing really stands out, but it does look good.

S: Sweet toffee and caramel. Almost overwhelmingly so. The usual hints of vanilla and dark fruit, but all I can think of is sugar. A little one note for me, but still good.

T: Yup, definitely sweet. Able to pin down the dark fruit that comes through in the finish, it's raisin. There's a lot of sugar, chocolate and something else slightly not as tasty. The bottle says marshmallows, which I'm not quite getting.

M: Hmm. Nice and syrupy. The mouthfeel is great with a nice medium body and a smooth finish. The booze is so nonexistent that I forgot to even mention it in the taste. Skillfully done.

O: Overall a pretty good beer. This isn't always my favorite style but Kuhnhenn did a good job.

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Photo of khiasmus
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

pours a clear mahogany with a surprising amount of head and excellent retention.

dates, sherry, raisins, plums, metal, cane sugar, hop notes and a bit of alcohol.

much the same as the nose up front, with all the same characteristics, but it finishes with lots of hop flavor and finally with tons of bitterness.

carbonation is surprisingly high for the style, and body is medium and smooth. finish is quite astringent.

not overly drinkable, simply because of the intensity of the flavor. highly recommended though.

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Photo of bbothen
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into a snifter.

Thanks to Sarcastro for the trade on this one.

A - Dark ominous murky chocolate brown with barely any head, just a tiny bit around the glass. Looks yummy & potent. Can't wait.

S - Smells of sweet caramel & toffee. Dried fruit and raisin. And sweet sweet booze. Wow, I cant wait to taste this.

T - Sweet caramel & fruitiness in the front with a warm/dry alcohol finish. There's some nutiness or wood in there as well. Very complex.

M - Very smooth & full bodied. A joy.

D - This is a sipper. Drinks every bit like a 9.5%er.

I really enjoyed this and will gladly have more. In fact I'll be seeking this one out again. This is a cold evening warmer.

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Photo of mynie
4.06/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Aged a year and a half in my fine beer cellar (the closet in my office). Bottle sez it's best before 2011 and seeing as we're not even halfway through 2008 I figure I'm golden.

Sort of a gluppy, undercarbonated pour. I was worried for a second that it had gone flat but then I saw bubbles springing up from the bottom and heaved a sigh of relief. Looks like soda poured from a 2-liter that had been sitting in the fridge too long.

Smells pretty dang nice, though. The malt is intensely syrupy sour, tons of very rich and overripe fruits. Like a good, traditional old ale, this smells... well, old.

Tastes of stingy malted fruit and zippy yeasty alcohol. No hops to speak up, which I guess aren't standard for the style but the folks at Ft. Collins use them in their old ale so I guess they're not banned. The complexity is intense, nearly overwhelming, and while its overall quite nice there are a few off nodes. The syrupiness is a bit much, and the zingy sour nodes really could have used something--not hops, even, but some spice on the yeast--to cut into them.

The body is surprisingly firm, though, and while this is a sipper it still goes down like gold. Overall a very fine beer, but maybe not quite what I was hoping it would be.

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Photo of JAXSON
4.07/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thanks Marc for this 2008 "brewery aged" bottle. Pours a deep brown, cherry red edges. Nose is rich and malty, full of pineaplle and something like bubble gum. Reminds me of that "fruit stripes" gum, and sweet, diced pineapples. Very nostalgic nose. Flavor is sweet and tangy at first, still alot of that pineapple. Sweet fruits especially on the front palate which is kind of odd, and some old hops bitter and balance it a bit. Kind of tangy, almost sour finish, but quite well put together. The sugar content here must be off the charts, but it works well and it's an interesting barleywine for sure.

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Photo of rudzud
4.08/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received this as an extra in a trade. Poured int my Duvel tulip.

A - Poured a nice deep dark almost garnet hue with a thinnish blanket of a head that faded to leave light wisps and a thin halo. Solid for the ABV.

S - Smell is of lots of sweet malts and dark fruits. Nice caramel too.

T - Taste is spot on with the nose. Lots of caramel toffee malts and sweetness. Good dark fruits, alcohol isnt really noticeable in the taste. Delicious.

M - Mouthfeel is really nice for an olde ale. Its definitely a sipper though, as it will creep up on you good.

O - Overall this was a delicious olde ale. One of my favourite styles, when done right it is absolutely delicious.

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Photo of DavoleBomb
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter. 2007 Vintage.

3.5 A: Motor oil black. Had trouble forming a head, but the 1/2 finger or so that formed had decent retention and lots of lacing.

4.5 S: Really sweet initially. Very strange combination of aromas that I've never experienced before. Tobacco, raisins, plum, dark cherry, and molasses all poke through. A bit boozy as well. Unique and pleasant.

4.0 T: Pretty much everything in the nose is here again. Alcohol is very apparent and makes this quite boozy overall, though quite good.

4.0 M: Thick, syrupy body and low on carbonation.

4.0 D: I'd drink this again. This is my first old ale, so I'm intrigued to try more.

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Photo of cosmicevan
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

had this side-by-side with the BB4D at a barrel aged tasting on 2011-08-06.

clear amber color with no head at all. kind of bock like in the smell...very fruity, nutmeg, very sweet, caramel, spicy malt. flavor is nice, raising, figs, caramel malts. mouth is also good. little heavy, but the booze is well hidden. overall pretty good, not a candle to the BB4D though.

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2012-03-28 2011 vintage into kuhnhenn snifter...

3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 4 - 4.5

brew poured a deep purple with a thin frothy creamy head that hung out for a few minutes. smell is exactly as last time, nutmeg, caramel and some vanilla malt and plum. really well done old ale. flavor is dominated by rasins and figs. strong sweetness, almost quadlike. booze is invisibile. great beer, a bit overly sweet. the BA takes this great beer and makes it legendary, always a treat to have the original.

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Photo of brdc
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Derek hoppymeal for this one.

It pours a dark, hazy brown beer with a reddish hue that has a minimal tan head with almost no retention.
A complex, delicious aroma that starts sweetish, evolving into layers of caramel, choclate milk, toffee and even some hops are quite discernible, all permeated by a powerful but pleasant alcohol.
This full-bodied brew has quite a complex taste, starting sweetish as expected, caramel-like, evolving into a hoppy bitterness, then a warming alcohol followed by a dry finish.
This "alcoholic" presence is at times too pronounced, and at the end of the beer it can get too much, compromising its drinkability.
Nonetheless, it is quite pleasant and well-crafted.

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Photo of grittybrews
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From South Sound tasting notes:

Poured a murky reddish-brown with a trace of dirty head. Really nice aroma of toffee, vanilla, molasses, and dark fruit.

Moderate carbonation and a full, sticky mouthfeel. Very sweet with caramel, molasses, oaky bourbon, and some muted dark fruit and vanilla. Some distinct alcohol burn on the tail end.

Nice flavors but too sweet for me to handle.

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Photo of Prufrock
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle, bottled 02-16-05, into a pilsner.

medium brown that shows some bright ruby against the light.

powerful aroma: tons of caramel, with cherries, raisins, sweet malts, sherry, and alcohol.

heavy feel with a gentle carbonation. strong raisin and dark fruit flavors and caramel malts. some alcohol notes, and a balancing hop finish. complex but assertive flavors; interesting and drinkable. very good beer.

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Photo of heebes
4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a rusty dark brown with only a film of tan head. Nose is heavily malty. Sweet toffee and caramel, plum, dried dark fruits, mollasses, toasted marshmellow. Taste is similiar, very complex mix of dark malts, toffee, brown sugar, heavily mollasses. Thick syrupy mouthfeel, heavily bodied. Robust malt presence makes for a sweet sipper of an olde ale. Strong alcohol presence. Overall an enjoyable beer.

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Photo of jmscott
4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Much thanks to bakerslp for this one. 12oz bottle, had a low fill - bottom of the neck. Poured into a pint glass.

A: Pours a thick, dark reddish/brown, slight lacing, decent legs

S: Very sweet, molasses, strong alcohol

T: Much like the smell, complexity of sugars with molasses and prunes, a little tartiness, definitely taste the 11%

M: It tickles your bitter senses, leaves a sweet coating on the entire palate. Behind all the sugars theres a really smooth finish, especially noticed towards the bottom of the glass as the beer warms up.

D: Very nice, but the intensity of the sugars & alcohol make each sip a lot to handle

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Photo of stakem
4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle, vintage 2009 poured into a snifter care of StormKing47. Thanks Josh for sharing this brew.

This brew appears a hazed amber brown color with reddish hues around the edges. The head appears a creamy yellowish stained cap that laces with spots about the glassware.

The aroma of this brew is alcohol laden sweetness with a maltiness that come across like a mixture of vanilla and caramel. Some citrusy hops poke through the background.

The taste is extremely sweet malty caramel and vanilla with a ton of alcohol that is both fusel in taste and very warming. A toasty burnt flavor resides in the mouth lingering with a hoppy bitterness that is a bit herbal. Some of the alcohol comes across as fusel and increases the depth of this brew's flavor to extend beyond just sugary sweetness and into a realm of being more fruity.

This is a medium to full bodied brew with a light level of carbonation. It is fair as far as drinkability goes for a sipper, a little less cloying sweetness would go a long way. The experience drinking this brew is quite interesting. The flavor really developes as more sips are taken. Initially it is overkill with sugary vanilla caramel sweetness that turns to a more toasty grain, bitter and high alcohol presence. Each sip yields quite a different range of character. Well done.

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Photo of mothman
4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2008 Vintage

Poured into Duck Rabbit Snifter

Pours 1/2 finger of light tan head. Great retention. Color is a dark brown.

Aroma: A very warming ale. A lot of raisins, plums, and molasses. Some booze shows but it works for this one. Rich and malty. I get some toffee flavors. Nice.

Taste: Rich and malty. Toffee and caramel. Molasses is heavy with raisins and licorice. Not very much booze shows, but it is warming. Caramel and toffee malts. I like it.

Mouthfeel: Smooth and warming. Medium bodied with a nice amount of carbonation. It is a little higher than most old ales, but it works. Ends dry.

Overall, a pretty nice old ale. It is a bit malty, but I like the warming flavors. Much better than a lot of the other old ales out there.

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Photo of HuskyinPDX
4.11/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle opened on 5.26.13

2010 Vintage

A - Pours a dark caramel brown with a small dark tan head that fades away quickly.

S - Caramel, toffee, dark fruit, booze.

T - Caramel, dry fruit, booze. A touch of some oxidization.

D - Heavier body with low carbonation.

O - Boozey dark ale with lots of caramel and dark fruit flavors.

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