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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
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Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States | website

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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4.26
pDev:
13.85%
 
 
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Photo of rudzud
4.08/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received this as an extra in a trade. Poured int my Duvel tulip.

A - Poured a nice deep dark almost garnet hue with a thinnish blanket of a head that faded to leave light wisps and a thin halo. Solid for the ABV.

S - Smell is of lots of sweet malts and dark fruits. Nice caramel too.

T - Taste is spot on with the nose. Lots of caramel toffee malts and sweetness. Good dark fruits, alcohol isnt really noticeable in the taste. Delicious.

M - Mouthfeel is really nice for an olde ale. Its definitely a sipper though, as it will creep up on you good.

O - Overall this was a delicious olde ale. One of my favourite styles, when done right it is absolutely delicious.

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Photo of dar482
4.04/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

The beer comes in a dark brown with a bit of a head.

The aroma has sweet caramel, toffee, toasty malt, lots of deep brown sweetness along with some umami in the end.

The flavor follows again with lots of toffee and brown sugar. Toasty malt. Tons of umami and molasses as well. The beer is extremely sweet, to its failure.

The mouthfeel is quite creamy on the medium to heavy mouthfeel.

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Photo of Bitterbill
4.92/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

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Photo of wordemupg
3.71/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

355ml bottle poured into tulip 6/6/12 thanks liamt07 for the bottle

A dark reddish brown with only a very short lived thin film for head and it leaves zero lace

S lots of burnt brown sugar and rum soaked raisins, molasses and some teriyaki beef jerky smells better then it sounds, heavy on the soft caramels and a little booze but nothing compared to the 13.5% listed on the bottle

T sweeter then the smell somehow with just a little soy, tastes slightly oxidized and not as nice as the nose, some cherry liquor I didn't smell and a slightly nutty aspect

M not quite flat but very little carbonation, quite sticky on the lips but not much heat considering the strength, a little syrupy

O booze is well concealed and it smells great but not blowing me away in other areas, decent beer but I'm going too be well below the average with this one

I'm not sure what to make of this one, well concealed booze and it smells great but not quite what I was hoping for elsewhere. Even if this is a off bottle its still easy enough too drink

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Photo of spinrsx
4.3/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz Bottle

Appearance – Hazy brown colour with an average size off-white coloured head. There is a low amount of carbonation showing and there is some really good lacing. The head lasted for around 5 minutes before it was gone.

Smell - Malts, caramel, hops, dark fruits, vanilla

Taste & Mouth - There is a slightly below average amount of carbonation and I can taste malts, caramel and toffee. There is also a touch of hop bitterness and I can taste some raisins and light vanilla. The beer finishes with a sweet buttery and malty aftertaste.

Overall – You'd never guess that the beer had 13.5% alcohol. It's very well hidden and while the taste is very sweet it isn't too over the top. I'd definitely like to have a few bottles of this on hand for the colder months. It's a well crafted and well balanced beer and is well worth seeking out.

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Photo of ppoitras
2.98/5  rDev -30%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

12oz bottle obtained via Local BIF from mjd83goblue. Label notes 2009 vintage, 12.5% abv. Thanks for the opportunity. <Jeremy2002 = bad trader>

Poured into a DFH chalice, formed a 1/4" brown head above the clear burgundy brew. Head is quickly down to a swirl of bubbles, with lots of legs and fleeting small-bubbled lace.

Aroma is sweet, fruity, and alcoholic. Taste starts sweet, goes Robitussin cherry in the middle, hops and strong alcohol at the close. Mouthfeel is slickery, and drinkability is pretty limited, in my book. Too much over the top, not enough enjoyable brew this time around.

2/8/07 - 4/3.5/3.5/3.5/3 - 3.55
12oz bottle obtained via trade with CRJMellor. Thanks for the opportunity... Label notes brewdate of 2/16/05, best before 2011.

Poured into an imperial pint glass, formed 1/2" tan head over the cloudy reddish brown brew. Head lasts nicely, with average lacing. Aroma is grains, tart fruitiness, and alcohol. Flavor is sweet to start, with heavy dark fruitiness in the middle, which fades into an alcohol aftertaste. Mouthfeel and drinkability are okay, but this one just seems too fruity and tart for the style. More like cough syrup, unfortunately.

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Photo of DrJay
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very slightly hazy, very dark, ruby red colour topped by a light tan head that showed very good retention and left thick lacing on the glass. Intensely malty aroma with rich caramel and toffee, molasses, and a hint of vanilla. The dark, ripe fruitiness becomes a deep vinous aroma with noticeable alcohol character as it warms. Malty sweet flavour to start, it just gets more and more complex. Caramel, toffee, molasses, and ripe fruits are strongest initially, with a bit of oak, vanilla, and nuttiness underneath. Bitterness comes forward part way through and a very light hoppiness appears towards the end, but it remains very, very restrained. The finish is a combination of caramel sweetness and warm alcohol flavour. Full, chewy body that stops just short of being syrupy, with moderately low carbonation. This is a very fine beer, made with exceptional craftsmanship. Definitely the stand-out offering that was available at Kuhnhenn during my visit.

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Photo of avalon07
4.67/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

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Photo of sweemzander
4.72/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle poured into a snifter. 2009 Vintage.

(A)- Pours a cloudy dark brown; almost black color. Produced a tan, almost orange head that is sticking to the sides of the glass.

(S)- A near roasted richness and sweetness of fig, raisin, vanilla, toffee, caramel, butterscotch, honey, and somehow plum. A wood-like dryness in the background. A rather rustic profile with a touch of nuttiness in between the malts. The best smelling Old Ale I have ever enjoyed. Rich and sweet with a big complexity to it.

(T)- Again, a dense monster of rich malts. The smell describes the taste perfectly.

(M)- Dense and rich, but is fitting of the style. A good carbonation level and a great balance. Sweet and malty as hell, but has a light level of bitterness, dryness, and heat to not make it over the top. It also has almost a roasted character to the background.

(D)- A fantastic Old Ale. Sweet and rich and dense, but in the best way. Has an awesome malt profile. A superb example of the style. The more I have of it, the more I like it. Usually the style is too hot for my taste, but this one hides its 12.5% well.
Tastes awesome now, but age will be kind to this yet. It did take me awhile to finish the bottle though, but this one you gotta sip; complex and silky sweet.

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Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
3.7/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

aquired as an extra in trade with kdub87. Thanks!

Poured into tulip glass.

Appearance: ruby red body almost brownish in color. Head is light tan in color. Sone decent lacing here.

Taste: Nice malty beer with the flavor of ale yeast that makes its slf know as well. Malts taste of sweet caramel and toffee. Some dark fruits linger around in the back ground of the beer. Alcohol is present in a very minor way and has no boozy burn. Its really nice and malty!

Mouthfeel: Creamy and smooth. Full bodied and moderate carbonation.

Overall: Solid beer by Kuhnhenn. This is my first beer by this brewery. I think I prefer Founders Curmugedeon, but this beer is still on the same scale! Thanks Kirk! Up next is the Barrell aged version!

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Photo of DefenCorps
4.4/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received in trade with goryshkewych. 2007 vintage, split with largadeer.

A: Deep crimson with ruby highlights. Thin tan head

S: Leather and sheesah (hookah tobacco) are what strike me off the bat. There's a hint of smokiness, plums and alcohol. There's also something spicy here. Intriguing and interesting

T: Intense. Medium body to start with with leather and tobacco up front. Fruitiness (plums and raisins) come through followed by a dry finish

M:With the low carbonation and the dry finish, this one is great

D: We ended our drinking session with this. A perfect nightcap.

**Edit: 3rd October 2009.

I drank my second bottle from the 2007 vintage last night and holy crap was it awesome. Fabulous brown sugar, vanilla and spicy alcohol on the nose, with fruity and leather character. Excellently balanced and integrated with a touch of smoke.

The flavors are ridiculously smooth and this is one very easy drinking full-bodied beer, deep and complex with brown sugar, leather, wet wood, figs, prunes and spicy alcohol., Caramel, vanilla, toffee and tobacco round out the flavors and the finish with a prominent tobacco character is AWESOME.
Nose: +0.5, Mouthfeel: +0.5

**Edit 11 March 2012**
2008 Vintage received from Viggo. Thanks, Eric! 11.8% ABV

This vintage seems fruitier and sweeter, both on the nose and the palate, with brown sugar, prunes, raisins and maybe some dates? Less leather, less tobacco, this does remind me of the BB 4D. Lighter in body, making this extremely drinkable. Still, excellent. 4/4.5/4/4.5/4

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Photo of Viggo
4.43/5  rDev +4%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very pretty ruby red/brown colour, slight haze, small tan head forms, recedes to a ring around the glass, lots of lace. Smell is insane malt, lots of caramel, molasses, some chocolate, and floral hops. Taste is very caramel and sweet malt, with some molasses. Some chocolate and floral hops come through, as well as a little alcohol. Very nice bitter finish. Full bodied, low carbonation, warming alcohol burn down the esophagus and really coats the mouth. Very very good, thanks for the pickup DrJay.

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Photo of tbeckett
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 vintage. From notes.

A - Dark amber pour with half a finger of brown head. No lace and no retention with booze legs.

S - Aggressive. Whiskey, tons of dark fruit, port, lot's of spirits. Serious spirit/caramel/boozy fruits. Deep.

T - More spirit barrel, sugar, dark fruit, whiskey, vanilla, port. Complex.

M - Mild carbonation, full body, sweet spirit-like finish.

O/D - Wonderfully complex. Lot's of stuff going on with a deep boozy character and richness to compliment it. Drinks more like port. Liked it lot's.

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Photo of HuskyinPDX
4.11/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle opened on 5.26.13

2010 Vintage

A - Pours a dark caramel brown with a small dark tan head that fades away quickly.

S - Caramel, toffee, dark fruit, booze.

T - Caramel, dry fruit, booze. A touch of some oxidization.

D - Heavier body with low carbonation.

O - Boozey dark ale with lots of caramel and dark fruit flavors.

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Photo of Bung
3.9/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2008 bottling. Quite dark amber pour, zero head arises. Some stickiness to the glass. Smells wonderful. Fragrant aroma of brown sugar, malt and some floral hops. Sweet molasses, caramel/toffee up front. Mellows rather quickly into some red fruits, malt and finishes with just a miniscule hop bitterness. Certainly a beer to contemplate. Only a hint of booziness. Just a little bit thin yet. Well done, but a bit dissappointed considering this is so highly thought of. We'll see how the other 5 of these age, I have a feeling it will improve. Still very well worth trying.

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Photo of jzeilinger
4.22/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

In review is a 2011 vintage bottle.

A - Pours a deep raisin color with an ultra thin toffee colored lacing ring.

S - Raisins, brown sugar, maple, molasses, oak, bourbon, and figs. Nice complex aroma that opens as the beer sits.

T - Boozy from start to finish. Roasted toffee and caramel, bourbon, oak, figs, raisins, slightly medicinal, and leaves a coating of brown sugar, bourbon, toasted malt, oak, and a slight citrus presence.

M - Very thick, full bodied, slippery, syrupy body, velvety.

O - This beer has aged gracefully and opens up as the beer sits in the glass.

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Photo of Stevedore
4.24/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle of the 2013 Winter Solstice release; poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass alongside the 2013 Bourbon-barrel aged version in a separate glass, today, 1/15/2014.

Pours a fairly standard dark brown body with a fluffy tan head that dissipates fairly quickly. Looks like a barleywine, really. Nothing out of the ordinary. Lacing is non-existent.

Smells very sweet- lots of caramel, toffee and dark fruits- even more interesting than BB4D which is a beer where the barrel vanilla dominates so much- and is even a little more complex. Still, I am missing the vanilla even though I enjoy the complexity and intensity of this beer.

Flavourwise, very sweet- lots of toffee, butterscotch and molasses, which isn't cut by the oak and vanilla of the BB4D which kind of takes away from my experience with this beer. Still complex with a lot going on; I can see why some people prefer this to BB4D. I'm not one of these people, however.

Medium to full bodied, well carbonated and slick. Not terribly difficult to drink. Aftertaste is mostly a dark fruity butterscotch flavour; different than the BB4D.

BB4D is definitely a better choice than regular 4D; given it was only a dollar more, I wouldn't bother with 4D; but 4D is a great beer in its own right so if you have the option to get it alongside BB4D, I would definitely recommend taking it. I can see why some people prefer the 4D to the BB4D.

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Photo of claspada
4.67/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Adding 2009 edition, sampled 2/9/12.
Aromas are the same minus the musty, oxidized qualities.
The tastes are identical and equally as enjoyable as I remember. Dark fruits and light cocoa dominate.
Mouthfeel is crazy coating and amazing.
Overall, I love this beer, considering moving to Michigan to have direct access every time this is released.

Adding 2007 Vintage tasted 1 month after 2005.
The pour had more more evident carbonation/head retention.

Aromas begin with light chocolate. with the below sweet and fruity malts as well. Less of a musty, earthy, leathery presence. Less sweet toffee and more dark chocolate.

The tastes are fairly close to the previous with lots of dark chocolate and dark fruits. Baker's cocoa becomes more apparent as it warms. Zero alcohol tastes or aromas here. This further verifies my beliefs that beer needs to be consumed within 5 years.

Mouthfeel is super full with medium carbonation; much much more than the 05 I had a couple weeks back. Glorious full finish, luscious almost.

Overall I think this beer is at it's peak after 4 years, the 6 year version showed signs of breaking down but this is freakin' epic. I am adjusting my original ranking to reflect this 2007 perfection. Although this is much more chocolatey and cocoa forward than I expect in an Old Ale, it is still probably the best example I have ever had. I just love that dark, bitter, fruit balance.

Sampling 2005 vintages of Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D).
Aromas start with deep dark caramelized brown sugar maltiness and sweet toffee as well. Cocoa and dark dark cherries become quite apparent as this opens up. Lesser notes of leather and earthy/musk in the background with some inevitable alcohol as well.
The tastes follow the nose to a tee. Loads of dark caramel maltiness coupled with equal amounts of toffee sweetness and dark brandy soaked cherry flavors. Lesser notes of cocoa and earthy/leather on the back end (much less compared to the initial flavors mentioned above). Alcohol bite is non-existent which makes sense after 5+ years. Molasses and dark fruits (figs and dates) linger on the palate now that this is room temperature.
The mouthfeel is medium-full bodied with low carbonation, which I usually hate but it works here. Chewy and finishes mildly sticky.
Overall, this is a great old ale; a bit heavy for the style in the dark malt/cocoa flavor profile but absolutely still delicious. Brandy soaked toffee covered cherries is a single sentence descriptor. This has aged superbly and shows no signs to deterioration even after 5+ years.

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Photo of jrallen34
3.89/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My growler filled by Alex on his roadtrip, thank you very much.

Boring light brown pour with light tan head of carbonation...Aroma is really nice and complex, starts off sweet similar to the oude bruin with some light sour cherries, dark brown sugar, and a little alcohol...The taste is a let down, not as sweet, lots of grain alcohol and brown sugar, not any of the sweetness or cherries.

Better than the bottle version I've had but still only a decent beer.

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Photo of TurdFurgison
4.63/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

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Photo of Jwale73
3.73/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz. bottle courtesy of jdiddy. 2008 vintage. Pours a hazy auburn with a frothy, cream-colored two inch head. Nose suggests figs, prunes, a metallic element, as well as a savory herbal character. There's also perhaps a hint of candy and pepper. Taste is sweet, savory and a touch smokey. Mouthfeel is medium-bodied with a lively carbonation. An interesting beer, perhaps still a little young. Just not what I expected.

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Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

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Photo of Gusler
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Upon its release the beer sets in the glass a beclouded ruby red with a personable creamy light tan head that slowly evaporates leaving an admirable sheet of lace. Nose has a bit of muskiness with sweet malt, hints of caramel, delectable this nose, sweet at the start, grain profile perfect and the top middling in its feel. Finish has a determined acidity, the hops spicy and enjoyable, the after taste dry, with a nice bit of tummy warming, a total hit with me, and a must try.

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Photo of trxxpaxxs
4.49/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to northyorksammy for this bottle...

A: Pours a deep brown with only a faint khaki colored head. The foam fades quickly leaving only the tiniest of bubble rings along the edges of the glass. The beer has great legs and no lacing.

S: The nose is caramel, malt, raisin, plum, mild spice, and alcohol. It smells perfect for the style. I'm looking forward to this.

T: Right off the bat I get caramel, raisins, and cinnamon. As it moves to the middle, the alcohol begin to show as is mixes with stone fruits and nutmeg. There is a lot more spice in this beer than I would have imagined. The finish is mild spice, caramel, raisin, vanilla, and alcohol.

M: Full bodied beer. It syrupy and sticky from start to finish. The beer coats the palate and refuses to shift off. Totally cloying and sweet, with great residual flavors.

O: Great beer. I actually think I enjoyed this one more than the barrel aged versions. The caramel fruit and spice are more pronounced in this beer, where some of the subtleties get lost in the Barrel Aged version. Really nice. Would drink again/10.

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Photo of maximum12
3.27/5  rDev -23.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to HopHobo for sending me this brew that I've been on the lookout for. My first experience with this brewery.

2006 vintage & dammit, I like the label! Looks like it was slapped on by a kid who left his coke-bottle glasses at home then accidentally dropped it in a bucket of water. Still cool.

Pour. The aroma is intensely alcoholic, I wanted some tongs to carry it from the kitchen to the computer. What is this beer going to do to me? And on a weeknight, at that? Once you get past the alcohol sting, it's sweet & earthy.

The taste suffers from a mustiness that I'm not grooving on, where the dark fruits turn into fruits that have bit of dust & dirt on them. Otherwise, after reading some of the other reviews, I'm a bit surprised at the lack of depth. I'm not getting much off of this, even not much alcohol, despite the nose.

Not bad, but definitely not the beer I was expecting. I wouldn't seek it out again, but would try a younger version if one every falls into my lap.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 450 ratings.
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