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Fermentation Without RepresentationFermentation Without Representation
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Epic Brewing Company
Utah, United States
epicbrewing.com

Style: Pumpkin Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Our first ever collaborative beer has all the familiar flavors of the season, but done with Epic style. To a base of strong, roasty, and chocolaty porter, we add 200 pounds of real pumpkin per batch, five spices and whole Madagascar vanilla beans. As you pour this deeply ruby brown beer, you’re greeted by the aroma of fresh cut squash,followed by rich chocolate. The flavor starts sweet with marshmallow,vanilla, and some pumpkin pie, then yields to a coffee roast and darkchocolate dryness. This beer is a great introduction for curious drinkers and a special holiday treat for fans of the style.

Added by JohnGalt1 on 11-06-2011

BEER STATS
Reviews:
147
Ratings:
532
Avg:
3.83
pDev:
21.67%
 
 
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23
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70
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Photo of GOBLIN
4.4/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Absolutely caught off guard by this beer ! I was not expecting the flavor assault I got from this one. Pours, looks, feels and tastes more towards the stout end of the spectrum rather than on the porter side of things. Categorized as a Pumpkin ale is sure to throw some off . . . it did me. The pumpkin is there for sure, don't misunderstand. But it is done in such a way that leaves most other pumpkin beers still sitting in the patch watching this beer flourish as far as the style goes. Thick, roasty with hints of vanilla, chocolate and coffee, it is a great addition to your fall beer lineup.

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Photo of jjanega08
4.17/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Release #8
7.7% ALC./VOL.

A= Pours a nice deep brown color with dark ruby highlights as well as a little half fnger of head on top with little lacing and retention.

S= Smells interesting. You don't see many pumpkin porters but this has a nice mix of roast as well as a nice spice aroma to it. A nice pumpkin aroma to it and a little bit of a plain squashy aroma.

T= The taste is again a great mix of porter roast to it as well as a nice spice to it. The pumpkin flavor is outragously great. This is easily the most squashy pumpkiny beer I've had so far as far as flavor goes. There is a nice flavor to this.

M= The mouth is silky smooth. A little more carbonation might be nice.

O= This is a great beer. Super nice pumpkin flavor to it and a great overall beer. This is the second great Epic beer I've had in as many days. They are winning me back.

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Photo of beer2day
4.15/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

From Bottle Rev in Raleigh ...

Dark brown pour with light orange tint. 1+ finger of dark cream head. Not much retention. Thin strands of lace all around the glass, even at the end.

Nose is a lot of nutmeg, pumpkin pie spice, chocolate malt, and pumpkin muffin. Lighter than I expected, but a nice mix of spice and chocolate.

Less spice in the taste than in the nose with more moderate pumpkin and nutmeg. Chocolate malt comes out stronger and balances well against the spice. Spice creeps back in the finish and lingers for a bit.

Feel is actually a bit thin for me. Wish there was a bit more body here.

Overall, a nice pumpkin porter.

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Photo of ChrisKayler
4.61/5  rDev +20.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Poured from a bottle into a New Belgium Globe.

Appearance: With an average pour, 3/4''' of caramel colored, soapy, creamy head was produced. This head diminished rather quickly. Color of the beer is darkkkk red-brown, only able to be seen around the edges. Lacing was quite good for a darker beer.

Smell: Mild dark chocolate is prominent, with hints of bread, a general nuttiness, and toffee. Pumpkin is subtle but present in the background along with cinnamon and nutmeg.

Taste: Taste is sweet malt, followed by subtle vanilla and pumpkin, as well as cinnamon and nutmeg, followed by an extremely long subtle chocolate flavor. Alcohol is present but well hidden for the ABV. Spices contribute, but not too much. Pumpkin and other sweeter flavors become more prominent as the beer warms, but the chocolate is always present no matter the temperature. Flavor duration is long, with heavy sweetness and light sour/bitterness.

Mouthfeel: Body is medium, with soft to average carbonation, and a sweet, but dry finish. Alcohol warming is also noticeable.

Overall: Amazing beer. Quite complex, a nice change from the usual pumpkin beer suspects. My favorite pumpkin beer to date. It's almost like a flavorful pumpkin ale, with less spice, and then chocolate undertones added.

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Photo of dacrza1
4.1/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

DATE TASTED: October 26, 2013... GLASSWARE: HopDevil nonick... OCCASION: offering PSU some comeback inspiration... APPEARANCE: jet black body; oatmeal-thick brown head; lacing is uneven but thick as well... AROMA: crisp, candied flavor; toasted nut and oat undergird thee spiciness that is as much holiday as mischief night...PALATE: slightly warming, medium-bodied and drinkable--the IMPERIAL aspect is so subtle one quickly/nervously sips...TASTE: pumpkin, apple, peat and an odd funk of medicinal/plastic bottle vodka that takes the rating down a click--still big and old...OVERALL: of the handful of fall bombers I bought, this dares to blend the fall and winter seasons, and it does so deftly; a powerful punch of alcohol by the bottle's end only endears the drink more...more the Galloping Hessian than the Great Pumpkin, in terms of its substance and strength...

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Photo of DenverHopHead
3.65/5  rDev -4.7%

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into a pub glass.
Appearance - surprisingly dark; in fact this is black with just a touch of blood orange at the bottom of the glass. A thin, mocha head leaves a sticky curtain of lace down the glass!
Smell - sweet malts, molasses and spice; very little pumpkin.
Taste - initial sip is sweet with a flavorful rush of butter, cream and spice! I detect far more cherry than pumpkin.
Feel - sweet, creamy and flavorful! Medium body that has excellent drinkability for the 8.4% ABV!
Overall - an unexpected surprise; this may be one I seek out each Fall!

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Photo of chugalug06
4.46/5  rDev +16.4%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Rated to style.

Amazing head retention on top of a dark, dark, brown body. Head is fluffy cream color with loose bubbles.

Lots of spice, but not syrupy, sugary, or over done. Toasty, roasty, malty, milky chocolate. A bit too much on the roastyness.

Whoa. Hands down the best pumpkin brew I've had in quite some time. Carbonation is medium and well placed. Bitterness is great too, heavy and nearly unsettling. No sweetness. Dry due to spice, allspice, light use of cinnamon, cardamon...

Rated to style. A nice brew, very well done for a spice (pumpkin) brew. Recommended for the connoisseur of fine pumpkin ales.

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Photo of Scotchboy
3.5/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Fermentation without Representation, Batch #1. 22oz bottle split into pint glasses.

A: Pours a very thin black that I can pretty much see right through, with tons of ruby red highlights. Head dissipates quickly - typical of vegetable beers.

S: Highlighted by light squash notes, nutmeg, spiciness, light roastiness and chocolate notes underneath.

T: Taste follows the nose...porter-ish with light pumpkin/spice highlights...light coffee and hops notes on the finish.

MF: Very (light) medium body, ok carbonation.

O: Not my favorite BUT not too overpowering in any sense. Both the pumpkin and porter aspects were light and worked ok together. I would prefer a touch more roastiness.

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Photo of JohnnyMc
4.2/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

So far, this might be my favorite from Epic. The aroma has nice chocolate and coffee notes with some subtle spice. The flavor is a perfect blend of a traditional pumpkin spice beer combined with a great porter.

From the first sip pumpkin hits you, but then fades to chocolate and keeps you coming back for more. A great, great beer especially for the colder months.

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Photo of kemoarps
4/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

4.25/3.5/4.25/4/4
#18
Body comes across a bit murky and more a darker shade of the creamy brown of the root beer in a rootbeer float after the ice cream is gone. But, like, almost no ice cream was there in the first place. Ruddy in the light around the edges. A good finger worth of creamy brown head -- still there as I fumble over words and check my voicemail, there's still about half a finger left. Great lacing as well.

I get almost no pumpkin whatsoever on the nose. This isn't the end of the world: pumpkin beers are alright by me, but I'm not a huge fan or anything, it just would seem that a pumpkin beer would have more, you know, pumpking to it. I get mostly kind of an ashy creamy unpronounced sweet. As I let it warm, the sweet coalesces into something akin to good chocolate with some generalized earthy notes that must be the great gourd itself. It continues to gently slope in this direction as the molecules start to move and stretch a little more.

The tongue offers significantly more going on than the aroma suggested. Whether this is good or not depends on what flavours you like. I happen to enjoy a cool creamy chocolate juxtaposed with bitter coffee, with just enough nutmeg and cinnamon to draw out the mild pumpkin underneath it all. Char and almost a milkstout like creamy sweetness prevail: a combination I really really like. Creamy and smoothe going down.
OH! I found the pumpkin! It was faint faint faint at the best, until I burped (eh, get over it). That was almost completely pumpkin meat, oddly enough, and after that I got more of the pumpkin in the finish and aftertaste each sip.

Ignoring the pumpkin aspect of this, I really like the milky charry chocolatey coffee and nutmeg that this offers. The pumpkin isn't pronounced enough for me to really think of this as pumpkin beer, or to distract from the above mentioned flavours that just so happen to be right up my alley.

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Photo of jtierney89
4.65/5  rDev +21.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Deep Deep brown color with auburn colors with what looks like pretty good clarity. Sticky crystal like tan head. Smells of fresh pumpkin, cinnamon sticks, and fresh vanilla.

This beer literally tastes like pumpkin pie with a scoop with a whipped cream on top. Rich creamy mouthfeel with a bold pumpkin flavor up front. Sweet biscuit malts are followed by big pumpkin flavor and fresh vanilla. Semi-smoked dark malts with an earthy hop bitterness. The Balance in this beer is impeccable. Cinnamon, allspice, cardamon and clove make an appearance on the back end of tongue while the beer finishes with big whipped cream and chocolate flavor. As much as every pumpkin beer wants to be "pumpkin pie in a glass" this is the only beer that has truly pulled it off while still having a big beer flavor.

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Photo of Benish
4.25/5  rDev +11%

Batch # 18. Poured into snifter glass.

Appearance: nice creamy tan head presented which dissipated very slowly. Color was like any typical porter - brownish black.

Smell: Instantly picked up some pumpkin pie spices. Can also smell subtle pie crust and brown sugar and coffee. Smell is outstanding. Can't get enough of it.

Taste: not overly spiced like most pumpkin ales. Very mild pumpkin flavor. The flavor of the porter dominates with the pumpkin notes on the side. The porter itself is outstanding with its malty mellow sweetness. Also notes of coffee at the finish.

Mouthfeel: smooth and creamy

Overall: outstanding. It's not an overkill like other pumpkin beers are. It is well executed in a porter. The smell was truly outstanding.

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Photo of rand
3.08/5  rDev -19.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

From 22oz bottle to pint glass

The bottle notes this was Epic's first collaborative brew, with DC Brau, which typically means they're 'special'. These pumpkin porters seem to be more popular than pumpkin beers themselves - perhaps because they're less labor-intensive - but they're not as exciting. Most of them, including this one, is basically an average porter with a hint of pumpkin spice.

The nose is roasty and oaky, but subdued - barely a hint of the pumpkin aspect here. A little more layered on the palate, with coffee and oak, and a touch of clove and nutmeg. Mouthfeel is a little thin as well, which doesn't help the relatively flat flavor profile.

Drinkable but uninspired, disappointing for a collab.

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Photo of samie85
3.21/5  rDev -16.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A-Pours a pitch black color with a few fingers of brown head.

S-Smells of cinnamon and other pumpkin pie spices with some slight vanilla and roasted notes.

T-Roasted malt notes with a myriad of spice notes and some vanilla.

M-Slick and mouth-coating with medium body with moderate carbonation.

D-I like this more than most pumpkin beers as I feel that a richer base beer really works in a spiced beer's favor. However, I think I prefer Summit's take on a Pumpkin Porter to this incarnation.

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Photo of TheHoppiest
4.08/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 oz bomber into two small chalices. Pours a very dark brown that lets just a hint of light through, with 1/2" tan head that reduces to a soapy film on top.

Roasted malt, coffee, chocolate, hints of pumpkin flesh, nutmeg and cloves combine for a very pleasant smell.

Mmmmm, chocolate, pumpkin, roasted coffee beans, roasted malt, nutmeg, and pumpkin pie spices meld together for a tasty fall brew. What bitterness there is comes from the black coffee finish.

Medium to full bodied, the sweet roasted malt gives this a bready feel that works well with the pumpkin. In some respects, it feels like a milk stout more than a porter

This is only the second pumpkin beer I've had that combined the pumpkin with a darker roasted beer, and I'm totally sold as a fan. While Pumpking still reigns supreme, these darker pumpkin beers are, in general, much better tasting than the typical ale style pumpkin beer. Definitely recommend this one if you can find it!

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Photo of BreweryRun
3.7/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured out of a bottle into a tulip. This is the most pumpkin forward pumpkin beer I've had. Spices are there but very subtle. Very low carb. This is release #21 so some of the spices may have fallen out, also the bottle looked underfilled to my eye. Overall a very pumpkin foward beer with not a whole lots else going on. I enjoyed trying it but probably won't grab another unless it's super fresh for comparison.

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Photo of Jeffreysan
4.1/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz bottle, at the Aces and Ales, Las Vegas, poured into a goblet

Appearance: Pours a beautiful, completely opaque, pitch-black color with a half of a finger of caramel-colored head that dissolved away into a thin lacing of foam that completely covered the top of the beer.

Aroma: Very aromatic! Tons of roasted malt up front, imparting notes of freshly toasted pumpernickel bread, followed by tons of pumpkin and pumpkin pie spices, such as cinnamon, nutmeg, clove and brown sugar.

Taste: Strong flavors of roasted malt up front, imparting notes of freshly toasted pumpernickel bread, followed by some flavors of roasted pumpkin, which imparted a touch of smoke, followed by the pumpkin pie spices of cinnamon, nutmeg, clove, ginger and brown sugar-like sweetness. Delicious!

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied with some good, but not assertive carbonation. With an ABV of 7.5%, there is no alcohol on the palate.

Overall: This is very good beer! I love the strong flavors of malt, roasted pumpkin and pumpkin pie spices. I’d certainly get it again!

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Photo of loren01
3.42/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours into snifter a black color, small sized tan head with no lacing.
S: Smells much like a porter would. Roasted grains, chocolate and a little bit of spices and pumpkin
T: Lots of roasted malts, chocolate, coffee followed by a little pumpkin and pumkin spice flavor
M: Medium bodied, seems a little under carbonated and flat
O: This is an interesting beer, I think its the 1st pumpkin beer ive had thats been a dark beer. I kinda like the balance between the roasted malts and pumpkin.

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Photo of zhanson88
4.02/5  rDev +5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On tap at Beachwood BBQ.

Appearance: Pours a fairly dark brown color with lots of ruby highlights. Head is light khaki in color. The head retention and lacing are just okay. Overall, a little light in color for an 8% ABV porter. Still fine though.

Smell: Initially smells a little roasty along with some milk chocolate sweetness, but overall the predominant smell is of pumpkin spice. Very interesting yet appealing.

Taste: Some light roasted malts along with milk chocolate, as well as some biscuity malt character up front. Plentiful pumpkin spice hits middle and back. Initially I was in love with this beer. However, after having a couple pints of it, one thing that I noted that had not initially is how dry it is. Like, too dry for a porter. Still, I enjoyed it quite a lot.

Mouthfeel/Overall: Medium bodied with perfect carbonation. Very good mouthfeel. Overall, besides the aforementioned dryness, this was an excellent pumpkin beer. I enjoy a good pumpkin beer when fall rolls around, but most of them end up being misses for me. This however was one of the better and more creative efforts I have tried.

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Photo of ROBSTARR
5/5  rDev +30.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This has to be the best if not a close second best pumpkin beer I've ever had. It poured dark brown with light head into a snifter. The smell is of cocoa, pumpkin, cinnamon, nutmeg and peanut butter. The taste of this beer I only can describe as a peanut butter cup made with pumpkin spice. This beer goes down extremely smooth and creamy. Overall I loved this beer, of course I love peanut butter cups and pumpkin spice stuff. So if you like both those things just imagine them combined.

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Photo of tlazaroff
3.9/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Wonderful pumpkin aroma. I can pick out pumpkin predominantly, with nutmeg, allspice, and cinnamon.

The beer looks dark brown to the naked eye, but highlights a deep ruby. The head is tan frothy layer that rests at about a quarter of a finger's height. Lacing is beyond generous.

Pumpkin is the first thing I get in the taste and it carries the beer through the finish. Other spices found in the aroma make appearances in the mid palate. The finish is a bit malty, like a nice toasted bread flavor, but the pumpkin still remains dominent.

Medium carbonation with a medium body. The finish is ever so slightly drying to the palate. It's a beer to enjoy, not a session beer, and I will treat it as such.

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Photo of rootbeerman
3.8/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: pours black with a thin cream and coffee colored head.
S: light pumpkin with some coffee and chocolate.
T: a mix upfront of pumpkin and coffee, followed by some pumpkin spice, and chocolate.
M: lightly thick, lingers around on the palate.
O: epic brewing continues to impress my taste buds.

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Photo of Teleweizen2
3.53/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - pours a deep chocolate brown. Two fingers worth of tan foam leave some spotty lacing on the glass.

S - strong aromas of chocolate syrup waft from the glass. Pumpkin pie spices are bright as well. Notes of cinnamon, clove and allspice. A quick wiff of herbal hops elicits a vegetal stem sort of character.

T - sweet malt flavor up front. Mostly chocolate syrup. Spicy flavors build mid palate. Strong cinnamon flavor as well as a peppery note.

M - smooth creamy mouthfeel. Medium bodied with medium high carbonation.

O - Sort of reminds me of Hershey's chocolate milk spiked with spices. Which gives me other ideas obviously. Nice porter.

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Photo of hopsputin
3.87/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Release #12. bottles 2012, drank 2013

a: dark black with hints of purple towards the bottom of the glass. large 3-4 finger beige head that seems to be hanging around. gets a little rocky on the top as it dissipates

s: its loaded with toasted and roasted malts. lots of milk chocolate and vanilla fill the nose. there is a nice creamy malt sweetness that helps blend everything as well. no hint of pumpkin or spices though...I assume the year has faded them

t: more pumpkin than the nose indicated, but not much - again a year old bottle may have something to do with that. its not strong, but you do get that pumpkin pulp flavor in here, which provides some initial sweetness. its then followed by a quick spice (clove/graham..i know thats not a spice) jolt, which fades to the roasted malty porter flavor - full of roasted malts and bittersweet chocolate, with the slightest hint of lactose to add some nice creaminess. finishes with some alcohol

m: medium mouthfeel. quite a bit of carbonation though

o: again - this is a year old. its an alright porter, however the pumpkin qualities (while there) are nowhere as present as i'd like them to be. perhaps they're stronger in fresher bottles. it can stand on its own as a porter, but if you're looking for a pumpkin porter - this year old bottle won't give you what you're searching for

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Photo of WMEugene
4.05/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Black (brown base) with a thick, off-white bubbly head that dissipates to a thinner layer and pretty good lacing.

S - Roasted malts with vanilla and pumpkin notes quite apparent. Some other spices are definitely present.

T - Pumpkin flavors blend nicely with the roasted/charred malts. Hints of vanilla, coffee, cloves and other spices. Well-balanced.

M - Medium/Thick-bodied, nice carbonation level. Hides the alcohol well and has a nice aftertaste.

O - I found Epic/DC Brau's collaboration to be a good one. Pumpkin + Porter is a great combination and I hope that this beer will make a future appearance in both's lineups. A nice seasonal to close the Fall out with!

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Fermentation Without Representation from Epic Brewing Company
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