Progenitor | Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project
Colorado, United States
crookedstave.com

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 6.20%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Dry hopped golden sour ale.

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#3,324
Reviews:
64
Ratings:
364
pDev:
5.53%
 
 
Wants:
16
Gots:
58
Trade:
4
 
User Reviews & Ratings
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Reviews: 64 | Ratings: 364
Photo of MonDak_Joe1953
4.24/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

375ml bottle. Label is marked for bottling date as 'MAY 2015'.
Murky, gold colored (similar to apricot juice) body. Two finger white head quickly retreats to foamy, bubbly cap. Lots of residue left in the bottom of the bottle. Leaves no lacing.
Aroma of sour fruit and rubbery funk.
Taste is sour fruit (grapefruit and pineapple) and horse blanket funk (grassy, woody, and sweaty). Also has a lot of malts.
Mouth feel is medium plus, has a fuller texture. Very good carbonation.
Delicious sour fruity ale that expresses the funk. If hops are present, they are represented by the slight spiciness within. Not complex but well balanced.

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Photo of Tsar_Riga
4.21/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A - Hazy orange with a grayish cast, moderate white head, lots of stringy lined lacing.

S - Modeate grape and wood notes, wet limestone, and a bit of grass and blanket.

T - Pungent pear and apple, moderate middle of malt with lemony highlights, a subtly tart finish.

M - Brisk but just a bit sticky in the finish.

O - Delicious and quite satisfying.

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Photo of yungBeerBrat
3.92/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

FUNKY AND BARNYARDY I was not a fan of this beer. I rate it based on a farmhouse ale in which case i think it was a very good example from the flavors I have come to know from farmhouse ales. I had a 2013 sofie two weeks ago that tasted exactly like this but MUCH stronger and over carbed.

I had a bottle from 2016 february ( 2.5 years old) in a tulip glass.

Appearance - Normal golden color with white head, more carbed than expected but head did not last leaving just a small amount of white while sipping.
Aroma - Smelled sour and herbal, no notes of hops which was disapointing but i had a 2 year old bottle so completely expected. I cant describe the aroma well but it is distinct, my friends said it smelled like citrus cider, i think astringent citrus would be a decent description.
Taste - Like a farmhouse ale, very much like the 6 year old sofie by goose island i had and apex predator by off color. I think the flavors were better balanced though very barnyard it was very drinkable and enjoyable. The taste i say is barnyard i would have previously said maybe a black licorice sort of herbal.
Overall - Good, would not buy again especially for $8. If you love farmhous ales then youll love this if its old.

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Photo of Ciocanelu
4.15/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Hazy golden color with huge fluffy white head. Aroma has nice rustic notes la fresh herbs, meadow flower, wood, barnyard and unripe orchard fruits. Taste starts tart and follows with mostly the same barnyard flavors, a bit more hay and soft woody bitterness, still quite fruity, not too dry. Medium body with medium plus carbonation. Not too complex but it's nicely balanced and easy drinking.

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Photo of Wasatch
4.37/5  rDev +5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12.7 oz. Bottle

My first from this brewery.

Poured into a Tree House glass a pretty nice cloudy dark golden yellow color, pretty nice carbonation (almost a gusher), with a pretty nice thick/creamy one-finger plus white head, which also leaves some pretty nice creamy sticky lacing behind. The nose is malty, yeasty, tart, with some pretty nice citrus complex (lemon, peach, grapefruit, pineapple), funky. The taste is pretty nice, malty, yeasty, funky, tart, with a pretty nice citrus complex (lemon, peach, grapefruit, pineapple). Medium body, ABV hidden pretty well. Overall, this one surprised me, pretty tasty brew.

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Photo of mothmanscott
3.94/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Pours an opaque deep gold/pale amber producing a semi-aggressive, somewhat lasting, shaving cream foam, white head which recedes to a small, clumpy island cap & thin collar ring leaving thin streaks & motes of lace. Aroma is lactic, bread, cobbler dough, green apple, pineapple & lemon wrapped around a Brett-like "Band-Aid"/surgical tape note. So acidic it lightly stings the nostrils. Taste is sour, citric, green apple acetaldehyde prominent, pale malt & hint of thin pineapple with a reserved version of the Brett character found in the nose. As with several other brews of the wild ale style I have tried there is a Gose-like brine developing in the finish & riding over into the aftertaste. I have no idea if salt is an ingredient in this brew or not but the brine is there. The Brett phenolic note, prominent in the nose & found to a lesser degree in the finish & aftertaste I find very pleasant. Throughout the first half of the sip there is a loose balance of sweet & sour with sour rapidly becoming dominant in the lightly acidic, drying finish. The aftertaste is short-lived. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with moderate-high carbonation, juciy, prickly & lightly drawing. Nice but not quite as unique or complex as I expected.

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Photo of Lone_Freighter
3.83/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Treated as a wild/sour ale, this was poured into a tulip. The appearance was a hazy orange color with a thin white foamy head that dissipated practically immediately. Messy lacing roamed around the sides of the glass. The aroma starts off with sweet to sour white grapes (nice level of vinous); sweet grass; bitter lemon rind; sticky sweet floral and then sour-ness. Tame funk. The flavor is pretty much the same thing with a crisp sour to sweet citrus/(lemon) aftertaste and sticky finish. Added light dry woodiness in the flavor as well. On the palate, this one sat about a light to medium on the body with a fair sessionable to sipping quality about it. Carbonation feels right for the style allowing enough palatable harshness coming from the sourness to hit appropriate on my tongue (crisp/movable). Overall, well done wild/sour ale that I would come back to.

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Photo of Bitterbill
4.54/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a hazy orange gold with such an impressive billowy head of foam. Long lasting too. Dry hopping permeates my nose. Funky aromas follow, minor amounts of tartness. The taste seems to be more complex to me. Besides what I noted, I get fruity tartness and vinegar like sourness with really deep in the background cracker malt with hints of white pepper. A surprisingly thick mouthfeel for a beer with this relatively low abv. Outstanding!

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Photo of bluejacket74
4.21/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

375 ml bottle, bottled February 2016. Served in a MadTree Teku, the beer pours a mostly clear dark gold color with about an inch and a half off-white head. Head retention and lacing are both good. Aroma is nice, the brew smells like citrus, tropical fruit, bready malt and some grassiness. For the most part I think the taste is similar to the aroma, but there's also some lemon peel, white grape and earthy flavors noticeable too. Mouthfeel/body is medium, it's a bit coating with a good amount of carbonation. I liked this sour ale, definitely worth picking up if you've never had it before!

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Photo of jrenihan
4.11/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Very nice aroma. Brett is prominent, funky scents. Also a lot of fruit. Tangerine sticks out for me. Flavour is similar. Bretty funk, tangerine, orange, slight herbal flavours. Finish is dry.

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Photo of macrosmatic
4.15/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Reviewed from notes. Poured from a 375 mL bottle into a nonic pint glass.

A: Nice clear gold with just a bit of chill haze. Lots of visible carbonation leads to a finger's worth of white head with good retention.

S: Light tartness and a bigger Brettanomyces up front. Some light citrus hops. Not a big aroma overall, but nice.

T: Brett, lemony citric acid, and some funk. Dry grassiness, funky barnyard, and lightly tart. Some citrus and tropical fruit hops over a light cracker malt body. Funk and citrus and pineapple flavors last into the hang.

M: Relatively light body, very low alcohol presence, and good carbonation sensation.

O: Crisp and enjoyable. A nicely balanced Brett funk presence and bright juicy hops. Very enjoyable, easy to drink, albeit nothing insane.

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Photo of TX-Badger
4.06/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a hazy yellow golden color with fizzy white head. Citrus, some grass and floral notes as well on the nose; follows onto the palate. Light bodied. Finishes with citrus and some flowery hop notes.

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Photo of Jadjunk
3.77/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

No label information. Progenitor is brewed in the style of an American Wild Ale, dry hopped, available in 12.7 oz. bottles and on limited draft.

Poured from a 12 .7 oz. bottle to a tulip glass.

(Appearance) Foamy frothed head of a creamy white tone over a densely hazy golden amber body with lively carbonation and abundant sediment in tow. Retention is very good and lacing is moderate and tiered. 4

(Smell) Pilsner and wheat malt body with a light sweetness, a moderately hoppy profile of grassy, piney and pithy citrus notes, and undertones of tart, lemony sourness. Potency is modest. 3.75

(Taste) Tangy sour with a moderate acidity up front, giving way to malt body notes of biscuit and pilsner grain in the midsection, finishing lightly hopped with a mild bitterness. The sourness of this beer is bold, but not much sourness diversity is here to speak of outside of straight lemony acidity and fermented white grape dryness, and the hop profile is equally shallow and difficult to detect against the other factors in the flavor. 3.75

(Mouthfeel) Texture is slick, moderately oily and residual, clean, tangy, medium dry. Carbonation is light, generating a mild frothiness and a moderately crisp finish. Body is shy of medium for the style, medium overall. Balance is moderately tangy sour over sweet. Alcohol presence is low and there are no off characters. 3.75

(Overall) All-around an enjoyable sour, but doesn't carry much distinction in its sourness nor hop additions. Very sour, somewhat lemony, vinous and acidic overall with an unintersting malt and hop profile to compare. Despite all that reportedly goes into it, this beer speaks as fairly one-sided. It's tasty but not close to the best crafted work I've experienced by this brewery. 3.75

Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project's
Progenitor
3.77/5.00

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Photo of SHODriver
4.25/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

A: Poured into a tulip to a pale and cloudy gold topped by two fingers of dense white head that fade to a small pool with some lacing
S: Smells of funk, sourness and citrus with some fruity notes.
T: Taste is nice and tart with some pineapple and citrus up front, a little horseblanket at times as well as some dry cracker like malt. Good citrus throughout. Swallow is more citrus and pineapple with some lingering tartness and a slight minty herbal note.
M: This beer is on the lighter side of medium in body with a nice active carbonation and a dry finish
O: Overall this is another well made wild ale from the folks at crooked stave. The beer has nice flavors and complexity with a really nice tartness that doesn't overshadow the other things going on. Definitely one to try if you can find it.

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Photo of kitch
4.5/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A 375ml bottle bottled in May 2015 poured into a Cantillon ballon glass.

Appearance: It poured a hazy golden colour with a big three finger white head and pretty good retention that leaves a nice ring of lacing.

Aroma: Sour, tart and very fruity with citrus grapefruit, lemon rind, orange followed by tropical mango, passion fruit and peach. There’s a hint of funk.

Taste: Like the aroma, its sour and tart. Orange and grapefruit dominate with a hint of lemon, mango and funk in the background.

Mouthfeel: Light bodied with moderate to high carbonation.

Overall: Thoroughly enjoyable fruity and juicy sourness makes it very easy to drink.

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Photo of ThisWangsChung
4.3/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Pours a murky golden color. The head is a finger high and white in shade. It has a sticky yet soft texture, but poor retention. Patches of lacing cling to the glass nicely.

Despite being bottled in Sept. 2015, the hoppiness is still nice and assertive. I get a lot of grapefruit rind, spruce, lemon, and grass. Being a Crooked Stave brew, I'm also picking up a ton of brett - a ton of nuanced brett. It's quite funky, and this intense funk is integrated within the base beer very well. Even better, the wild qualities are strictly brett-derived, rather than devolving into lacto or acetic acid/vinegar. Properly rustic, balanced, and well-hopped at the same time? Well, that's a winning formula right there!

It tastes more sour than the nose indicated. With an underlying barnyard quality underneath, it opens up fairly tartly. The dry-hopping is subtle, displaying notes of orange, grapefruit, peach, apricot and lemon in conjunction with the sourness. There's a twinge of back end grassiness, as well. Not endlessly complex, but the amazingly deft balance and integration make up for it. This one is downright juicy, and it's amazing for it.

Soft and creamy in feel - so much so, it even finishes lightly sweet. This helps to create the illusion of fruit juice this beer seemingly purports. Carbonation isn't light, but it doesn't strike the palate harshly (neither does the tartness).

I haven't been terribly impressed with the first couple of CS beers I sampled. This, though, finally reveals something I wanted from them all along - a rustic masterpiece. It's an endlessly drinkable brett beer, and I frankly wished I had another bottle. Or 5.

4.3/5: Perhaps the progeny of my restored faith in Crooked Stave?

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Photo of erk0607
4.04/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Look: hazy, yellow, gold, decent head, delicate lacing
Smell: tangerine, mandarin oranges, grapefruit, pineapple, grass, hoppy... fruity but not sweet
Taste: bitter then the brett kicks in with the sour, pineapple, fruity
Feel: light, crisp, foams up on the palate slightly
Overall: good for a wild ale, not a favorite, but solid

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.75/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

375 mL bottle. Hazy orange. Smells of grapefruit hops. Very pungent. Acidic and lemony. Tastes of sour grapefruit and then some lightly sweet grapes. Strong sour bite in the back end. Medium body and just shy of too sour. Still has a ton of hoppiness to it, even at this age. Pretty good.

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Photo of leroybrown10
4.21/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a pale gold with some cloudy haze. Large 3 finger head is rather fluffy. Good retention and leaves a ring of foam around the edge of the glass once it recedes. Medium amount of lacing.

Fruity aroma. Lemon, mango, pineapple, and a hint of grapefruit. Some lacto and brett. Mild funky straw and earth.

Tropical and citrus hops on the tongue. Grapefruit, stronger than the nose. Lemon, straw, oak, and earth. Big funk at the end. Medicinal.

Mild mouth feel with medium carbonation. Fruity, tart, mildly dry. Lingering hops, citrus in particular.

Very nice sour. Big hops to balance the tartness. Blends well.

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Photo of Fcolle2
4.34/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours golden in color with slight haze and a white head. Aromas of citrus rind, hints of hay, Brett, and a slight spicy hop aroma. Flavors of citrus light amounts of Brett, a lemony sour flavor and a slightly spicy dry hop finish. Light crisp and refreshing with a dry finish and plenty of carb.

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Photo of BenGap
4.14/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a hazy, light golden color with a big fluffy white head that dissipates into a nice collar. You can see a nice carbonation, but not overly so. A decent amount of yeast in the bottom of the bottle contributes to the haze, as the beer is quite clear until the yeast is suspended.
Nose has a nice citrus hit under the earthy funkiness. As it warms you can pick out a little more dank hop.
The flavor has the expected puckering sour, although it doesn't hit right at first, but builds quickly, leaving just enough to pick up almost a nutty, earthy tone. Once the sour fades off there is some grapefruit bitterness that lingers.
Feel is dry with an almost creaminess from the carbonation. Very smooth mouthfeel.
As expected, another good offering from the artisans, although I would like just a bit more complexity to come through the sour to make it truly spectacular.

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Photo of crob3888
4.5/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a hazy golden yellow with a big fluffy white head. Aromas and flavors are tangerine, barnyard, pineapple, green grass. Excellent sour mouthfeel. Love this.

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Photo of metter98
4.15/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: The beer is clear yellow—slightly pale in color—and has a light amount of visible carbonation. it poured with a short white head that quickly died down, leaving a thin layer of bubbles on the surface, a narrow collar around the edge, and lacing down the sides.
S: Moderate aromas of sourness are present in the nose along with notes of lime citrus and sour apples.
T: The taste follows the smell, having flavors of sour limes and hints of funky brett.
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied and a little tart on the palate with a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: I found this wild ale to be very enjoyable as it had a good balance between the sourness and fruity flavors.

Serving type: bottle

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Photo of SLeffler27
3.92/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

This is a hazy gold beer with a big foamy white head that leaves a fine lacing on a snifter, as it gradually settles.

Another hoppy grapefruit sour ale. Grapefruit is the primary character, but it does allow subtleties of straw and light funkiness to participate. Warmth replaces the straw with white bread and releases a dry white wine aroma.

Grapefruit, check. Sour, check. Acidic, check. All rather subdued, save for the grapefruit. As this warms-up, sour apple and tangerine do play a role. The finish is lingering and clean.

A light to medium body, a bit sticky, with modest carbonation. Alcohol is well controlled, and I was surprised to confirm this has 6.2% abv. The texture was a little rough, like nylon.

As a sour beer, Progenitor certainly fits ones expectations, but it falls short of my personal opinion of how this category of beers should shine. In hind sight, this indicates a broader range of brewers are working in the field, with broader interpretations, for consumers who may be converting from an exploration of the odd and different, to desiring these in the line-up. While one often becomes skeptical of fads, or muddling of the edges with "safe" knowns such as IPA's; finding something old as new again, is a welcome experience.

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Photo of KillerJigger
4.18/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Great beer from Crooked Stave once again. Nice and refreshing. Great bite yet not over the top. Great balance for this style as well. Nice job brewers!

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