Progenitor NOIR
Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project

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American Wild Ale
4.07 | pDev: 7.37%
Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project
Colorado, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
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Notes: In February 2015, Crooked Stave released Progenitor, a 6.2% ABV dry-hopped Golden Sour Ale. Progenitor NOIR is a little bit of a different take, using dark malts to create a "Dark IPA," for lack of a better term, while still being primary fermented with Crooked Stave’s mixed culture of wild yeast and bacteria.

"Progenitor NOIR arose from the idea that Dark IPA is tasty, so why not a sour version for the darker months we are enjoying." -- Chad Yakobson, Crooked Stave Owner/Head Brewer

While both Progenitor and Progenitor NOIR received ample dry hopping, Progenitor NOIR was concocted to have a fresh, resinous hop bite. Thanks to great hops like Amarillo, Citra and Simcoe, Progenitor NOIR is a hoppy sour worth seeking out fresh to enjoy the full citrusy, resinous goodness!
Reviews: 17 | Ratings: 130
Photo of Jadjunk
3.85/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

No label information. Progenitor Noir is brewed in the style of an American Wild Ale, dry hopped and available in 12.7 oz. bottles and on limited draft. One-off variant entry in an experimental series.

Poured from a 12.7 oz. bottle to a tulip glass.

(Appearance) Pours a crisp, foamy head of an ecru-tan shade over a dark burgundy brown body with high clarity and light carbonation. Retention is average and lacing is light and patchy. 3.75

(Smell) Malt body of toasted bread and soft pale malts, very little roastiness or earthen tones. Very little perceived sourness as well. Hop profile is aromatically present, with citrus and tropical fruit notes forward and a very light bitterness. Potency is moderate. 3.75

(Taste) Smooth bread malt body with a very light body, a modest drying sourness and very light acidity, and a nice hoppy back end of citrus juice and prickly pine with a light bitterness. Overall, it has less vibrant spots than the ordinary Progenitor, however, I enjoy it more as there are more subtleties to detect and more spots of desirable brightness despite nothing being over-the-top. While the malt profile isn't as intimidating as it may seem, the sour qualities of this beer are equally meek, and the hops on the finish come through nicely. 4

(Mouthfeel) Texture is smooth, clean, lightly tangy, medium dry. Carbonation is light, generating a mild frothiness and a modestly crisp finish. Body is medium for the style, medium+ overall. Balance is nearly even sweet to sour and acidic to hoppy bitter. Alcohol presence is low and there are no off characters. 3.75

(Overall) I found this to be a more enjoyable beer overall than Progenitor standard, as the malt profile did generate some richness without being overly sweet, the bacteria strain used generated an enjoyable, but not overbearing amount of sourness, and the hop profile, despite the enhanced richness of the malt profile, was distinctive and more evident. It's quite good, but I'm still overall not too impressed by this series, and think there are superior beers in Crooked Stave's lineup that integrate quality malt, hops and souring bacterium together much more gracefully. This one comes off a bit light overall. 3.75

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Photo of imonhiatus
4/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

not normally a fan of the darker sours but this is rather tasty. progenitor is such a wonderful brew and this really is the dark version. the dry hopping is still there boasting juicy hops over the unmistakably crooked stave beer. makes for a real interesting and flavorful brew. one if the better dark sours but I would still take the golden progenitor over this every day of the week.

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Photo of Moose90
4.03/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Served from 375ml bottle

A — Pours Into the glass with a dark ruby hued black color, almost green around the edges, kind of bizarre looking but it does have an off-white colored head that manages to leave some nice legs along the inside of the glass.

S — Smells of dark dank piney hops, pine, forest floor, peppery vegetal. Balanced with a sharp kick of house yeast and lightly sour funk to round everything out.

T — Tastes like the nose, but its more focused on the dank pine than it is on the dark rich roasted malts, any roasted or charred character is overtaken by the lemony, tart, and sharp yeast presence.

M — Nice and bubbly, almost chewy as it warms.

O — Very nicely done, I give the slight edge to plain Progenitor but both have their places.

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Photo of jzlyo
3.8/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Aroma is medium pine, fruit/sour and a hint of dark malts. The flavor is cherries/berries, fruit, a hint of dark malts and a sour/mildly hoppy finish.

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Photo of Kurmaraja
3.93/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Not a beautiful beer - murky brown, modest bone colored head, retention is decent. Aroma has a good amount of berries (blackberry) and currants along with some brett funk and a resinous grapefruit hop present. Flavor adds a decent pucker but not overly sour. Pretty complex in aroma but moreseo in flavor. Solid.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
2.65/5  rDev -34.9%
look: 3 | smell: 1.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

375 mL bottle poured into a snifter. Murky deep brown body. Very slight head and a thin collar. Smells hoppy. Smells like a cat's litter box. A little herbal. Grassy flavor. Grapefruit. Tart citrus. Very light roasted malt. Just a hint of the cat litter box flavor. Medium body. Moderate tartness. That aroma is really quite unpleasant.

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Photo of GarthDanielson
4.17/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Poured from a bottle into a snifter, the beer is a very dark, deep, brownish-blackish coloring with a filmy, sparse, light, off-white surface coat of head. Aromas of tart cherry, oak, date, fig, heavy floral highlights, basil, medicinal notes, solid Brett characteristics, and subtle sugary notes. Flavors are very tart and citrus acidic forward, with woody overtones, deeply rich date and fig, tart grapefruit, chardonnay dry and sweet, and an herbal and floral blend towards the end of the palate. Smooth and full, but extremely dry and crisp. Very layered, and very drinkable. The aftertaste is more medicinal, with black tea, evergreen, grapefruit, date, and white grape must. Dry, slightly puckering finish, with a darkly sweet, acidic, and sour linger. Good beer.

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Photo of cpetrone84
3.57/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Pour is opaque cola brown with a good bit of tan head. Nose is dark berries and some dried dark fruit, aggressive brett muddled the nose a bit, hints of oaky vanilla. Taste is extremely fruit forward, tons of blackberries and some slightly spicy currants, Brett doesn't middle as much, faint excess sugar, leathery brett, soft carb, full bodied, fairly smooth. Decent.

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Photo of Stevedore
4/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

375ml bottle from March 2015. Served in a stemmed glass.

Pours a dark cola brown body. Quite dark; it looks black but illuminates cola brown when held up to the light. Pours with a hefty two finger, maybe a bit larger, offwhite head with great retention and a thick film; equipotent lacing. Smells of citrus, lemon, pine, with a bit of cocoa and mild dark chocolate in the background. The hops are the big players here, and it's quite intense. Flavour is quite different; on the nose you didn't get much indication of the acetic character, but the palate gets a nice lip smacking dose of acidity, about 6 of 10. There is a moderate bitterness that accentuates it as well, consisting of lemon and grapefruit. A bit of cocoa and chocolate; a slight bit of hay in the background, but really quite minor players compared to the hops and the acetic character. Very pleasantly acetic. Mouthfeel is medium-thinner bodied, good carbonation, dry and refreshingly citrusy at the same time on the finish. Overall, this was tasty, appropriately sour with a lot of hops to it. I certainly preferred this to the normal Progenitor.

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Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
4.09/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

375ml bottle sealed with CS logo pressure cap.

Appearance: Somewhere between a light black or dark brown bodied beer. Eggshell white colored head.

Smell: Acetic sourness and oak / red wine tannins. Roasty malt that comes across like a moderately acidic, yet fruity and nutty coffee bean. Also some light hop presence is noted as well. Very well balanced nose.

Taste: The aroma also translates well into the flavor profile of this beer. Almost a moderately pucker factor here. Some light and slightly juicy hop presence. Oak and tannic red wine. Roasty malt that meld extremely well with the hops and sourness.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied beer with low carbonation. semidry finish. Flavors linger for a long time. So this one deserves slowly sipping and contemplating the complexity of the beer.

Overall: This beer has a very layered flavor profile. It is like 3 layers to be exact: the sour, the hops, and the roasty malts. While the many layers all play well together and are well balanced; I cant make my mind up if it love it or not. It is different and interesting and I think that is what it has going for itself.

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Photo of Zach136
4.27/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Appearance: Deep brown, slight ruby edges. thin cap.

Aroma: Dark fruit, no acidity. Floral, piney and fruity hops.

Flavor: More acidity than the nose, soft like the pale version. Little bit more bretty funk. Some dark fruit, very little hop character.

Mouthfeel: Dry, slight acidic linger.

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Photo of StraightNoChaser
4.31/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

look: Dark brown, some light coming through. Decent enough tan head.
smell: smells like the oxymoronic Black IPA with a sour edge.
taste: Tart and sour more prominent in the taste. A nice blooming tartness in the finish.
overall: Another stand out from Crooked Stave. Unique and very quaffable.

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Photo of dar482
3.91/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

The aroma is hoppy, almost like an IPA, of sweet citrus and bright pine, grassy.

The flavor shifts with a touch of vinegar, green apple, lemon tartness, funk, a bit of floral and a hoppy finish. The beer is built on a medium minus roasted malt flavor. An interesting brew that is ambitious, but does not quite combine well.

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Photo of WickedSluggy
4.64/5  rDev +14%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

On tap - Brighton Blvd. taproom

A - Slightly opaque brown with thick white creamy head.

S - There is the expected sour lactic qualities, but the first thing I notice is the uniquely FRESH hoppy aroma. The way the hops presents itself in the aroma is absolutely stunning! I'm blown away.

T - Everything comes off well in this dry sour. Medium tartness, with pleasant hoppy flavors that follow from aroma.

F - Medium body for a dry sour. Creaminess from the head is nice.

O - A unique fantastic beer. The aroma alone earns it the score. A top beer this year so far.

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Photo of brentk56
4.15/5  rDev +2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Appearance: Arrives medium brown with a decent enough head; some splashes of lacing linger

Smell: Roast and chocolate, with some tartness as well

Taste: The tart flavors burst forward, with the roast and chocolate tones underneath; bitterness from the hops builds, in the middle, with some funk in the finish

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with moderate carbonation

Overall: A nice twist on a hoppy sour, with the dark malt adding another dimension; prefer this one to the regular Projenitor

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Photo of StonedTrippin
3.82/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

much like the regular progenitor, i found this to be nothing special as well. its almost unappealing in appearance, really thick yeasty muddy brown, without a lot of head. raw and unrefined in a less pleasing way than some of their other stuff. the nose is more dark malt than hops by a long shot, and although i do get some sour, the roast and chocolate profile of the grain dominates the other elements in the aroma. in the taste its a little more balanced. sourness comes first rather than in the finish, which i like, and the roast dies back a little to the hops in the finish. definitely more hoppy it seems than the golden one, but it still really likes the amazing combination of wild yeast and dry hopping that so many of their other beers are amazing at. fuller bodied too with lighter carbonation, a weird mouthfeel for a beer in this genre. overall pretty tasty, and im sure the fanboys will eat it up, but these two new beers are easily a league below the best crooked stave is capable of. maybe they are too new, and will age well, but for now its not really worth it.

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Photo of Norvelljeff
4.8/5  rDev +17.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

L- Color is almost a light brown with orange tint
S- Smell is sour and wild. Very good.
T-Very sour! Very carbonated.
F-Lots of snap to this one. Really enjoyable.
O-This crooked stave beer is fantastic. I would recommend.

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Progenitor NOIR from Crooked Stave Artisan Beer Project
Beer rating: 91 out of 100 with 130 ratings