17 Mint Chocolate Stout | Perennial Artisan Ales

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17 Mint Chocolate Stout17 Mint Chocolate Stout
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17 Mint Chocolate Stout17 Mint Chocolate Stout

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Perennial Artisan Ales
Missouri, United States

Style: American Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.00%

Availability: Rotating

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Added by birchstick on 03-24-2012

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Photo of kcconk
1.55/5  rDev -61.2%
look: 4 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.25

Mint does not belong in beer.

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Photo of DefenCorps
1.87/5  rDev -53.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.75

Good lord, who thought this was a good idea? Smells like someone dumped some peppermint extract into the beer prior to bottling. Overpowering everything - I can barely smell any chocolate or anything else - this smells way overdone. This is confirmed on the palate. Incredibly intense, grossly so, the mint is overpowering. I had to spit this out. Awful.

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Photo of FullObs
2/5  rDev -49.9%

Photo of bibo_ergo_sum
2.01/5  rDev -49.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

If I were blindfolded when I tried Perennial Mint Chocolate Stout, I would have told you I was drinking the bastard offspring of a York Peppermint Patty and a bottle of Listerine. I enjoy peppermint patties and I take pride in my oral health, but this is a case in which the whole is so much worse than its parts. But what is even more upsetting than the insane and offensive taste of this liquid hellspawn is its utter lack of any beer-like qualities. First, there is no carbonation. I understand this is (nominally) a stout but come on, there is more gas in a mouse fart. Second, there is no discernable malt flavor. Malts serve as the background against which other flavors in the beer distinguish themselves or, in malt forward beers, are the main show. In any case, a solid malt base is essential to establish a well structured, balanced flavor profile. Now, I assume Perennial used chocolate malts for this noxious concoction but, amazingly, they managed to cover up any of the citrus or coffee or natural chocolate flavors which chocolate malts typically impart. Third, the beer tastes as if it were brewed without a bittering agent (hops, gruit, etc...). Some sort of bittering is essential to balance, regulate and compliment the sweet, roasty and grainy flavors imparted by the malt bill. However, I concede, this point is a bit moot since there aren't any discernable malt flavors in need of balancing.

If you've followed me this far, I'm sure you've picked up on my critical theme: it is as though perennial decided to eliminate or disguise anything essentially beery about this fermented nightmare. There is a further philosophical or semantic point to be made here. Can something really be considered a beer if it lacks the distinguishing aesthetic properties of beer? Is what makes beer beer a certain set or range of sensory phenomena drinkers experience or, does it simply come down to the use of certain ingredients and manufacturing methods, or is the conjunction of both these answers right? As a beer drinker, I am tempted to affirmatively answer the first question, as a home-brewer, I shout yes to the third, but only a fool (or large, multi-national conglomerate) could defend a positive answer to the second question.

I suppose my ultimate point is that recent experimental forays into unbeerlike "beers" have strayed so far away from the drink's traditional flavor profile as to require many beer drinkers to seriously entertain the second, foolish thesis (since one cannot reasonably claim fermented beverages like 17 have the aesthetic properties of beer, if one counts 17 as a beer, one must hold some version of thesis 2). Many who disagree with me will point out craft beer's historical heritage. They will say the essence of the craft beer movement is that it is always changing. These hefeweizen Hericlitians will claim that craft beer only exists as long as it is in flux; to appeal to tradition is to invite stagnation - standards be damned, we have torn the curtains from the Overton window, and before us stretches an unimpeded view of possibility! But these flavor renegades who, in truth, are no more rebel than zealot – revolutionaries for the sake of revolution, mere slaves to the "new" - would rather set fire to the hoppy past to clear a way for the noxious, artificially minty future. And that is a future I never want to see.

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Photo of Nichols33
2.35/5  rDev -41.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 2.5

Couldn't finish a glass of this. I love Mint chocolate chip ice cream and cookies but this was not good

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Photo of Moose90
2.49/5  rDev -37.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Served On-Tap

A – Pours a deep, thick, and rich dark black. Dark coffee colored head appears, but disappears quite quickly. Moderate and spotty lacing is left behind.

S – Huge notes of mint, sweet peppermint, spearmint, chocolate syrup and sugar.

T – Strong, artificial, sweet, cloying mint notes, tastes a lot like mouthwash and chocolate syrup. Off putting and dominated by obscenely artificial mint notes.

M – Syrupy, thick, sticky, bitter aftertaste.

O – Quite a disappointment as it really lacks any semblance of balance, extremely sweet and artificially minty, you could use this as mouthwash and hardly tell a difference if it wasn't for the color and opacity.

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Photo of brandoman63
2.5/5  rDev -37.3%

Photo of brpendergast85
2.5/5  rDev -37.3%

Photo of yourefragile
2.5/5  rDev -37.3%

Photo of jmccullough108
2.75/5  rDev -31.1%

Photo of Mattygross44
2.88/5  rDev -27.8%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 1.75 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 2.25

This is just way way to sweet what a great smell though but my lord i had to stomach every sip

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Photo of kojevergas
2.93/5  rDev -26.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

$17.99 USD for a 750ml brown glass bottle at a beer store in Brooklyn. Bottled 02/2016. Has a green and yellow label and a green and black pry-off crown cap.

10.0% ABV. "Mint chocolate stout" per the label. "Ale brewed wtih cacao nibs and mint leaves."

HEAD: None whatsoever. Just a decadent dark-as-hell sinful brown floater. Creamy and soft in appearance as they come, suggesting rich fudge. This is shaping up to be an interesting dessert beer.

BODY: Opaque solid jet black. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible within.

Appears aptly carbonated. Not a unique appearance for an imperial stout, but certainly a good one.

AROMA: I definitely get the mint, and would easily detect it in a blind tasting. Authentic mint leaves were the right call here; this is lovely. Chocolate specialty malt, cacoa nibs, dark malt sweetness, schwarz malts, and dessert-like notes of caramel, cream, and cocoa.

Promises a rich dessert beer, but I do have concerns it may be too sweet.

Aromatic intensity is mild. I detect no overt hop notes, overt yeast, roasted barley, or off-notes.

TASTE & TEXTURE: Syrupy and thick, tanking drinkability. I've had dessert beers that had presence and weight on the palate without being so syrupy. It's certainly full-bodied, but the chewiness is off-putting.

Notes of hershey's syrup, rich chocolate malt, heavy dark malt sweetness, and the eponymous mint combine to form a build that is both saccharine and enjoyable dessert-like. Many will find this too sweet, and that's evident in just the first sip; finishing this bottle solo will be trying. Aside from the one-two punch of chocolate/cacao nibs and mint leaves, there's very little to the beer in terms of intricacy; it's a detrimentally simple build for an imperial stout as a result, and though it lacks complexity it also somehow lacks balance.

Some roasted barley or bitter black coffee might help take the edge off the sweetness.

No overt hoppy or yeasty notes come through, nor do any off-flavours.

Flavour duration is above average. Flavour intensity is mild. Depth of flavour is somewhat shallow; this lacks really vivid expressive notes.

Aptly carbonated, to its credit.

OVERALL: I do like that the mint is genuine; my fear going into a mint chocolate stout is always that the mint will taste artificial (or like toothpaste). But compared to the best mint chocolate stouts (e.g. Stone's expression), this is pretty mediocre fare - and that doesn't bode well when it runs $17.99 per bottle. Were it half the price, I still wouldn't want another bottle, and in spite of the variety of tastes in the craft beer world, I struggle to imagine any drinker who would want to take down a full bottle of this stuff. I'd like to see Perennial tweak this and put it out in a smaller fairer priced format. Decent but disappointing work from Perennial.

As a side note, why is a mint chocolate stout beer intended for a winter release bottled in February?

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Photo of tourdot
2.94/5  rDev -26.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.75

The in-your-face peppermint was too much for me.

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Photo of brandonwnw
2.94/5  rDev -26.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

Smells like mint dipping tobacco and I couldn't get over it. I understand the appealing theory, but couldn't have more than a sip.

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Photo of thaghost
3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of R3ason
3/5  rDev -24.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Photo of waddellc2
3/5  rDev -24.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Photo of thefluker
3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of StoutBruin2
3/5  rDev -24.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Photo of JMRSN
3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of evilcatfish
3/5  rDev -24.8%

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3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of ArsMoriendiOU818
3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of IPAyForHops
3/5  rDev -24.8%

Photo of westcoastbeerlvr
3/5  rDev -24.8%

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