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3 Floyds / De Molen Zes Zes Zes3 Floyds / De Molen Zes Zes Zes

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3 Floyds Brewing Co.
Indiana, United States

Style: Saison / Farmhouse Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.50%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
Now this is a saison! This refreshing Belgian-style ale is the combined effort of Three Floyds and De Molen’s fantastic brewer Menno (the real Dutch Hercules). This spicy and bracing ale was brewed in Munster, but look out for the one we brew in Holland at DeMolen. Cheers and drost!

Added by MasterSki on 08-19-2012

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of Goblinmunkey7
2.84/5  rDev -28.1%
look: 3 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.75

Split with angrybabboon.

Appearance: Deep burnt orange. Head is bright-white loose and rocky. Drops to a clumpy cap and collar. Some small ropes of lacing. Moderate carbonation on the pour.

Smell: Tons of orange. Flesh and pith and zest. Sweet. Bready with some mild funkiness. Fruity esters. Some pear and tangerine. Pineapple and grass. Earthy. Hoppier than expected. Underripe peach. A bit mealy. Hints of alcohol. Aggressive for the style. Sweet syrupy toffee booze. Lots of sugary sweetness.

Taste: Sweet candied peaches and nectarines. Lots of orange flesh and juice. Caramel, toffee, And some brown sugar. Strong punch of citrus from.the hops. Ripe melon. Big malt backbone is biscuit with a good caramel malt sweetness. Sharp bite of alcohol on the finish. Crazy boozy and sweet. Some Belgian yeast spice. Touches of clove and banana. Floral. Slightly toasted.

Mouthfeel: Slick and just in the under side of full. Moderate carbonation. Wet and juicy. Relatively clean finish.

Overall: Meh meh meh.

About what I expected. Crazy sweet and aggressive. That's what these two breweries do and that's what they did.

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Photo of fvernon
3.12/5  rDev -21%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bomber poured into a FFF Teku glass. Looks a lot like gumballhead except for the thicker white head; the marigold orange is a bit surprising for a saison, but hopefully the aroma and taste will bring me back around.

Hmmm... dry-hopped with amarillo? There is some spicy white pepper, alcohol, lemon, and grapefruit on the nose, but the hop-forward quality is sort of building what I am starting to expect this to be: a very FFF take on a saison - a bit maltier and hoppier than I had originally anticipated. The flavor no longer takes me by surprise - a bit sweet, malty, strong on the citrus hops, a strong kick of alcohol, some peppery bite but not much. Although I'm not surprised now, I am a bit disappointed - it's lacking in the dry, light drinkability that I tend to go for in a saison and instead is a bit heavy, sweet, and not dissimilar enough from some of FFF's normal lineup of (delicious) hoppy ales.

Overall it's probably something some folks would really get behind, I'm gonna stick to the FFF brews that they excel at when I want a more hop-forward drink and get my saison fix elsewhere.

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Photo of tewaris
3.14/5  rDev -20.5%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks Frank!

Doesn't look like a saison... too dark with none of fluffy head etc etc

Interesting aroma... I am smelling (almost) barleywine like malts among other things. Thick, sweet, viscous and malty, and slightly hoppy. This beer is a lot of things but it is not a saison, IMO. Again, that's not important but it's not true to its label either. Among other "flaws", I do not find this remotely refreshing. But overall it cannot be called a bad beer.

2, 3, 3, 3, 4

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Photo of angrybabboon
3.19/5  rDev -19.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3

Consumed 4/7/13

Cheers to Goblinmunkey7 for sharing this beer

Appearance: Somewhere between deep, dark orange and light amber - hazy, cloudy - nice, big, white head - leaves a nice cap and a wall of lacing

Smell: Very fruity and very sweet, in a fruity way - yeasty, earthy, dirty basements - musty, with some rotting/rotted fruit - doesn't smell much better as it warms up - like, moldy melons

Taste: Funky and fruity - flowers, dirt, and a damp, wet basement - yeasty, with some yeasty spices, like clove - sweet fruit, orange peels, grapefruit peels, melon rind, and some rotted fruit - some caramel malts, some herbal bitterness

Mouthfeel: Medium body, nice carbonation, sticky, rotten aftertaste

Overall: No no no

I'm almost inclined to think (hope) this is infected because there's something here that seems genuinely rotten. There are some nice funky, herbal, fruity notes here, but it doesn't really come together, and it disappoints overall.

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Photo of AleWatcher
3.36/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Bomber into FFF Teku.

Saison? I think this is an IPA. And a hopped up, bitter, assertive, abrasive IPA in the FFF style at that!

Anyway-- big hopped up bitterness blends with white pepper and a little boozy heat to make this most unlike the typical saison that I'm used to... Notes of tropical citrus fruits lead the way in terms of hops, while a bready chalkiness is ever-present from the malt/yeast combo.

The beer [i]looks[/i] nice, but that's about it for me... It's almost like finally getting a date with that cute girl only to realize that the cuteness is all you could really like-- there's just no substance there.
Well, ok, that might be a bit extreme.
It's more like going to a strip club, paying the cover, seeing 8 GORGEOUS girls walking around, and then discovering that it's 'no nudity' and they wear pasties.

Even that sounds too extreme. But, it [i]is[/i] FFF, and they simply don't do simple. Almost everything is extreme in some way and generally, it works. Not so much here though.

Feels thick, syrupy, and bit undercarbonated-- though it really LOOKS great. Two fingers of fluffy, rocky head that almost overflowed my glass and leave intense curtains of lacing behind.
Glowing orangey-golden body is just barely hazy enough to obscure transparency....

Overall-- I'll finish this beer-- by NO means is this a drainpour! It simply isn't the style of saison I like best... A bit too boozy, too hoppy, and too thick.
But to be fair, it see,s to make for a pretty decent "Winter Saison."

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Photo of cosmicevan
3.48/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Bottlle received recently in trade as an extra...thanks for hitting a want. Enjoyed from a fff teku. Sadly it seems that this is a beer better served fresh. It really has an old faded hop breathing throughout. visually deep transparent orange with a fizzy head. Not very saison like at all. smell is more barley wine. toffee caramel and faded hop. Perfect preview fir the taste. Thankfully i like barleywines so this is not wasted on me. Would love to try it fresh. Lots of gagged candied hops. Syrupy even.

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Photo of Florida9
3.62/5  rDev -8.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Very cloudy orange-amber in color. Forms a moderate sized white head that reduces down to a chunky surface coating and a thick, stable ring around the edge. Moderate lacing.

S: The nose is full of citrus and tropical fruit. Pineapple, mango, and orange with milder notes of fruit salad and sugar cookie.

T: Taste starts with a mild sweetness. Tropical fruit and citrus on the front end. But then it turns alcoholic, peppery, and fusel with a persistent acridness. Finish is long and drawn out.

M: The mouthfeel on this one is odd. Starts juicy, almost sticky, but finishes dry and astringent with an heavy alcoholic heat and spice. Carbonation is medium-heavy.

O: I didn't realize this was a Saison when I popped the bottle (I guess I should read the label in the future) and I never would have guessed it since it's not at all Saison-like. Overall, its a decent beer - I really like the hopping on this one - but I wonder how warm the temperature was on this beer while it was fermenting to have the yeast produce the assaulting alcoholic characteristic that are present in this beer.

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Photo of deadonhisfeet
3.7/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

My local bottle shop managed to get a small keg of this, which they held back and saved for a big Three Floyds tasting, and they sold pint growlers of it. This tasting sample was poured from a pint growler that same evening into a Dogfish Head snifter. The beer has a dark, orange-apricot color with a bit of a gold tint to it. It's pretty clear, but dark for a saison (although amber is acceptable). There are two fingers of head and it leaves some nice lacing. The nose is very sweet and fruit-forward with big notes of oranges and pineapples, though I don't get much spice or floral hop aroma. Nor do I get any acidic notes.

The beer has a medium body with a really creamy, slick mouthfeel. The flavor is very sweet and fruity up front, without being malty. The sweetness is almost cloying. The sweetness really kind of demolishes any tartness or subtle hoppy dryness one typically finds in this style. The best thing I can say about the sweetness is that it is of the citrus variety - primarily oranges and pineapples (as on the nose). A tiny bit of hop bitterness comes through at mid-palate, contributing a resiny, slightly coppery kind of taste. There is definitely a bit of alcohol warmth on the finish, but not much lingers except some of that citrusy sweetness. Overall, easy-drinking and enjoyable, but not as complex as I had hoped.

If this beer was a bit more hop-forward or had a bit more tartness to balance out some of that sweetness, we could be looking at a 5 beer here. As it is, I really, really enjoyed it. However, despite my appreciation for citrus-like flavors in beer, I think it was just a bit too sweet to be a Saison God.

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Photo of oline73
3.7/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the bottle into a tasting snifter.

Appearance: The beer pours a clear amber color with a quarter finger of off white head. The head leaves a ring around the pour.

Smell: The overall smell is fruity with some apple juice and a mild citrus note. The hops in the beer sting the nose with sweet malt behind it.

Taste: Very sweet and herbal. There are a lot of fruit flavors here but the beer has a bitter/hoppy finish. I couldn't have told you what style this was without looking. Weird but not bad at all.

Mouthfeel: The body is medium with tingly carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: I thought this was a very weird beer. I never quite figure it out, I kept thinking I was missing an ingredient that would make it make sense. I might have more.

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Photo of KalH
3.75/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Thanks to CaptCleveland for this one!

A: ZZZ pours a dark amber & orange with a one finger white head and translucent body

A: Fruity hops and Dole pineapple juice...Also, malt, brown sugar, and alcohol.

T: Kind of a hop bomb more so than a saison. Lots of juicy tropical hops accompanied by bitter citrus and some herbalness. There is also raw sugar and pineapple that come through and lend a bit of sweetness against the bitter hop profile. Alcohol and hop resins finish off the array of flavors on this one.

M: Average mouthfeel and carbonation. Juicy finish was surprising for the style.

O: To be honest, this is more of an IPA than a saison. Somewhat disappointing as I was expecting more traditional saison characteristics , but this was a good beer by FFF overall. Thought this was a bit too hop forward but definitely a nice offering from them that I may try again if the opportunity comes up. Pineapple/Hops/Alcohol = Zes Zes Zes.

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Photo of JohnnyHopps
3.83/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I think this is a saison in name only , because I have never quite had a saison that fits this profile. The Three Floyds motto is "It's not normal", and this fits the motto.

Pouring a golden yellow color, the ale like a white head in the snifter glass. A mild grass aroma came from the glass though the aroma was far from potent. Lacking the "funk" of a saison, the ale certainly had a lot of other interesting elements in the taste. Hops make a big impression with notes of citrus pineapple, mild grapefruit, and a certain earthiness. It has a pretty broad spectrum of hops. The mouthfeel had a certain thickness that I associate with the style, making the taste thick enough to linger. This was important as the taste was allowed to linger and warm the back of the throat. I am not a fan of saisons, but enjoyed this one. Maybe I enjoyed it because it is so strikingly different from other saisons.

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Photo of BarryMFBurton
3.84/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Three Floyds saison = hops, I’m hoping; I’m definitely in the mood for a bitter, Belgian-style brew.

A: Hazy, dark amber in color; overhead, a finger of tan cream. Sheets of lacing all around the inside of the glass, with only a paper-thin layer of retention.

S: Dank, citrus, badass hops. Strawberry, tangerine, lemon-lime, grape, and cherry in tart, juicy form – we’re talking Zombie Dust territory here. Damn. Very light pale malt, with some mild European grains and estery, spicy yeast sit in the background. All fruit in this nose, with only a touch of real saison character.

T: Tangerine and peach: smooth, juicy flavors. The hops are sweet, only slightly tart, with a strawberry jelly and grape juice flavor in smaller portions; chewy fruit tastes take up the most of this palate. It’s a marmalade-heavy palate, with accompanying tastes of brown sugar and caramel. Sorghum sweetness with honey and moderately-thick yeast. The finish has a thick syrup flavor, but doesn’t last too long – only a little honey darkness for a second or two.

M: The feel of this one is actually pretty thick; not saison-like at all. Again, it reminds me of an IPA – a malty Three Floyds IPA.

O: What’s the point of a style if you just don’t stick to it? Oh well, it’s a tasty beer, and that’s all I really wanted anyway. It doesn’t satisfy on all levels, but as a standard Three Floyds hop-fest, it’s pretty damn close to a winner.

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Photo of voteforhops
3.87/5  rDev -2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - hazy tangerine with thick 1" head (12 oz snifter) and sticky lacing
S - sweet tropical fruits (passionfruit, mango) mixed with slight grassy hops, classic FFF combo
T - same fruit and some caramel/bread are strong with slight pepper and faint yeast, sweet with some bitterness on the finish
M - medium carbonation overwhelmed somewhat by the viscosity, sweet with slight sour and dry aftertaste
O - immediately distinguishable as FFF with the tropical sweetness and thick hazy appearance. much more dense than typical saisons and clearly closer to a strong ipa than a traditional saison. almost no detectable peppery sourness, which doesn't mean its a bad beer, just farther from the style than i would prefer. the most lacking element is the classic aromatic yeast that is quintessential to a true saison. perhaps it should be rebadged as a belgian strong ipa? definitely worth checking out.

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Photo of JackieTH
3.91/5  rDev -1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a glowing reddish orange with a huge, persistent head that leaves copious lacing.

This is quite clearly a saison done FFF style. I'm getting hoppy tangerine citric notes, quite nicely hop forward in fact, though at the same time loading in a good quantity of malt. Spice is present in the form of pepper, also a bit of alcohol comes through. Notes of lemon and citric pith. Medium heavy for a saison. Lingering alcohol and hop flavors, with spice and hop bitterness. Very interesting.

Overall this isn't in my opinion a session saison, its a fairly substantial beast actually. A twist on the style with the recognizable FFF hop signature, which is clearly as intended. I enjoyed, more FFF magic. Why not.

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Photo of TwelveOunces
3.91/5  rDev -1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 Oz bottle poured into a snifter

A- Pours incredibly hazy orange. Very murky. A one finger of an off white head. Dissipation fairly quick. Some alcohol legs on the glass.

S- Not surprising, coming from 3F this thing smells quite hoppy. The wheat and farmyard notes are very subtle. A nice floral and citrus hop. A subtle belgian yeast type of flavor.

T- A big bitterness up front. Borderline IPA. Sweeps over with a nice citrus flavor. A little pine as well. A lot of grapefruit, grape figs. There is a little wheat in here but not much for a Saison. I cant tell if they used a belgian yeast or not. This beer doesnt have a spicy flavor or grassy notes like a typical Saison.

M- Bitter. Smooth and silky, Seems higher on the side of carbonaiton.

O- This is a solid beer. It's really a cross between a Saison and an IPA and doesnt seem to nail either part of the equation too well. The beer is good and nice to drink but doesn't have a whole lot going for it and isn't up to par with the steep price tag.

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Photo of Arbitrator
3.92/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Chilled bottle into a glass, from lurchingbeast, the guy who won't take "no" for an answer. Thanks, Frank!

A: Pours a murky, orange body with fluffy, off-white head. Good retention and a fair amount of lace. This looks like an IPA.

S: Pineapple, guava, papaya, sweet pale malt, white pepper, squash, and some chalk. This kind of smells like an IPA.

T: Up front, this tastes like an IPA: tropical-forward hops imbue the beer with pineapple, guava, and papaya flavors. There is a noticeable sweetness that culminates in a nearly syrupy finish. The aftertaste has a touch of white pepper and a noticeable chalkiness and squash, which I guess is some sort of yeast residue. Not pleasant.

M: See above for my comments on the aftertaste. It's a little heavy for a saison, and I do detect the alcohol at times. The carbonation seems to have come out in the pour, resulting in a heavy body without a lot of life.

O: I think this is an IPA brewed with saison yeast. They're trying to fool me, but I'm on to them. Pretty tasty.

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Photo of DaveHack
3.97/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a murky, orange-brown. Fluffy white head dissapates leaving a nice amount of lacing.

Smells like grapefruit juice in a BIG way. There is also a musty smell smell, but not in the Brett sort of way.

Taste is citrusy grapefruit right away, then followed by some bitterness.

Mouthfeel is rather heavy. It really coats and covers the mouth on every sip.

Overall...I was so excited to try this, and while it is different than I expected, it is still very good. It is a crazy take on a saison, and definately something to try and enjoy!

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Photo of cfrances33
3.98/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into a teku glass.

Pour: Completely hazy deep orange with two fingers of white head. Head hangs around a little bit, and leaves some nice lacing.

Smell: Pine and grapefruit on the nose. Some lemon zest in the back. This is a saison? ...oh FFF, of course.

Taste: Follows the nose with really, really sticky pine and oranges. Full flavored hop presence that has some saison attributes mixed in. Malt sweetness is pretty nice.

Mouthfeel: Really, really sticky. Wow. I did not expect this from this beer, and I'm not particularly pleased with it. It's good, just not what I wanted.

Overall: A decent beer that is just confused. Hop presence is really up front. Worth a try, but I'll probably spend my money on other FFF beer in the future.

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Photo of WoodBrew
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer pours a rich looking amber with no head. The nose is pure grapefruit hops with a touch of funk...barnyard zombie dust? There just as much grapefruit in the taste and aftertaste along with good yeast character and sweetness. The beer's mouthfeel is medium with ample carbonation.
This is a great beer and an unexpected highlight at our tasting.

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Photo of thagr81us
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks goes out to aasher for sharing this one during the One Year Anniversary of My Wreck Tasting! Served from bottle into a Crooked Stave ‘Crooked Line’ tulip. Poured a hazy golden yellow-orange with a half finger white head that subsided to a minimal amount quickly. Maintained nice lacing throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt, pineapple, citrus, citrus hop, and passion fruit. The flavor was of sweet malt, fruit, tropical fruit, citrus, and fruit hop. It had a light feel on the palate with medium-high carbonation. Overall this was a good brew. There was quite a bit of fruit going on in this one which was a welcomed change-up for the evening. This helped to make it quite easy to drink and enjoyable. There wasn’t really that much that stood out to me on this one which is why I can’t put it in the next tier. What was there was quite nice, but just missed a little something to take it to the next level. Worth trying if you get the chance.

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Photo of aasher
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I was very excited to see bottles of this hit Indy after hearing about how great it was on draft.

Zes Zes Zes pours a light bodied, slightly cloudy dark apricot orange in color with a very soapy, two finger bright white head. The nose is big and citrusy with loads of citrusy hop character and somewhat sweet pale malt sweetness. Nice nose, definitely on the American side of things. The flavors too, a nice balance of citrusy hops with moderate yeast character and some alcohol. It has nice balance but a little too much alcohol. It drinks light in body and is an off dry. Overall this is a fun saison but not the most balanced or Niue saison in the world. If you're looking for a hoppy, citrusy saison this is your beer.

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Photo of CuriousMonk
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from bomber into dimple mug glass. Pours a lovely oranger-than-pink-grapefruit with a spongey white head. Excellent lacing that coats the glass well. Aroma has spices, fresh fruit and a yeasty presence. Faint citrus. Taste is of many fruits - lemon, orange, grapefruit, apple, melon - plus chewy resin, a spicyness and some malt. Quite bitter and very dry as you get down through the glass, with some alcohol presence. This is not your father or uncle’s saison - much more assertively hoppy and strong.

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Photo of superspak
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 ounce bottle into signature tulip glass, no bottle dating. Pours slightly hazy orange amber color with a 2 finger dense fluffy off white head with great retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Some nice foamy lacing clings to the glass. Aromas of big orange zest, orange rind, pineapple, pear, apple, floral, grass, clove, pepper, and earthy yeast esters. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of malty hoppiness and yeast spiciness. Taste of orange zest, orange rind, pineapple, clove, pepper, pear, apple, lemon zest, floral, grass, herbal, and earthy yeast spiciness. Good amount of earthy spiciness on the finish; with lingering notes of citrus, citrus rind, pineapple, clove, pepper, pear, apple, herbal, floral, grass, and earthy yeast spiciness on the finish for a good bit. Damn nice flavor complexity and balance of hoppy flavors/spicy yeast esters; with zero cloying flavors present after the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a slick and lightly sticky mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with only a slight warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is a damn nice hoppy saison! Very nice balance and complexity of hoppy flavors and yeast spiciness; and extremely smooth to sip on. This was a very enjoyable offering.

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Photo of Huhzubendah
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Shared by Thorpe429. Thanks Mike. The beer is orange with a small white head. The aroma brings hops and citrus followed by a sturdy malt backbone. Good flavor, though a bit sweet and syrupy. Oranges soaked in alcohol. Hoppy finish with lingering bitter citrus. Not really a saison, in my opinion, but tasty nonetheless. Good stuff.

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Photo of MasterSki
4.03/5  rDev +2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at 3 Floyds. Served in a tulip.

A - Big white foam settles to a thin cap, thick collar, and splotchy lacework. Hazy dark orange body.

S - Surprisingly sweet and malty for the style, with some bready Belgian yeast, and a touch of spice to it.

T - The taste is again quite sweet, with hefty doses of marmalade and stone fruit. Spicy yeast, some flowery hopping, and a lightly bitter finish. Not much alcohol considering this is over 8%.

M - Lightly grainy texture, medium body, with active carbonation. Well-hidden alcohol and a clean, refreshing finish.

D - While this is too sweet for my tastes it's a well-made Saison. The alcohol is extremely deceptive, so be careful if you're driving home from 3 Floyds.

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