Bourgogne Des Flandres | Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

Log in or Sign up to start rating.
104 Reviews
Read the review
Bourgogne Des FlandresBourgogne Des Flandres

Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

Style: Flanders Red Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.00%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by rastaman on 10-12-2002

For Trade:
View: Beers | Events
User Reviews
Sort by:  Recent | High | Low | Top Raters | Alström Bros
first ← prev | 1-25 | 26-50 | 51-75  | nextlast
Reviews: 104 | Ratings: 315
Photo of BeerImmediately
1.91/5  rDev -44.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Picked up on a whim, and regretting I did so.

Poured into Duvel tulip at about 45 degrees. 2F of bubbly cream-colored head which quickly lowers to a film over a crimson-to-brown colored body. TONS of visible carbonation.

There's almost no aroma here - none of the classic Flanders Red. Got cardboard, earth, and prunes.

Flavor is quite disappointing. Rotten dark fruits, touch of vinous quality - sort of like a carbonated version of a kids grape juice box that's been rotting in the sun for a few weeks.

Mouthfeel is pretty thin, with far too much carbonation. No tart pull. And overshadowed by the bad flavor.

I'm hoping I just got a bad bottle, because if this is how the brewers release this, they should just pack it in.

 733 characters

Photo of goatherder
2.15/5  rDev -37.9%
look: 5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1

Deep mahogany in colour, crystal clear when held up to the light. The head poured thick & white then retreated to a light surface covering, still maintaining the lace on the glass. Sweet, syrupy malt is the dominant aroma with background hints of sour aceto, cherries and plums. Overwhelming sweetness on the palate, obliterating the fruit flavours that lurk behind. Some harsh sourness comes in the finish in a lame attempt to balance the beer out. The mouthfeel is sweet and sickly, almost undrinkable in any quantity. This beer has neither the sourness, complexity or thirst quenching drinkability of Rodenbach, the benchmark for the style. A disappointing, overly sweet attempt.

 682 characters

Photo of womencantsail
2.22/5  rDev -35.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

 612 characters

Photo of ehammond1
2.34/5  rDev -32.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Bottle (2010)

Thanks for opening this with me, UCLABrewN84!

(Aged for 2+ years)

Clear dark crimson and burgundy with a small light khaki colored head that leaves spots of lace down the glass.

A very sweet aroma with some medicinal cherry and grape aroma. There's some candied strawberry syrup aroma as well. There's very little tart/sour character.

The flavor too is astoundingly sweet. This reminds me of strawberry and cherry syrup with just a touch of bitterness. There's very little oak flavor or complexity, either.

Medium bodied with low carbonation.

Not a very good representation of the style.

 608 characters

Photo of DefenCorps
2.39/5  rDev -30.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

On tap at Max's today, side-by-side with the Bockor Cuvee des Jacobins Rouge.

Deep ruby red with reddish brown highlights, a thin tan head with decent retention, this is OK. The nose is disappointing with some sugar, some cola, a little vanilla and no real sourness. A little musty, this is disappointing. The palate opens with a mild tartness, a mild rotting fruit-like character, some sugar and mild vanilla. Drying on the finish with a mild tannic character, this isn't very good. Light in body with a moderate level of carbonation, I really didn't enjoy (or finish) my pour

 578 characters

Photo of UCLABrewN84
2.48/5  rDev -28.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Bottle I brought to share at DarthKostrizer's tasting.

Bottled on 1/7/10.

Pours a clear brown with a khaki head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Small dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, sugar, and some very slight sour aromas. Taste is of malt and sugar with no tartness whatsoever. This beer has a pretty good level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty poor beer and a horrible example of the style.

 487 characters

Photo of WhyBeNormal
2.66/5  rDev -23.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bourgogne des Flandres, a Flanders Oud Bruin blended with Lambic and aged for 6 months in oak barrels. It isn't bad, exactly, but it is fairly one-dimensional for the style. It's better once it warms up, but still pretty boring. Very sweet, with a vaguely cherry cola-like flavor and just a semblance of sourness. Reminds me of a really shitty attempt at copying Duchesse De Bourgogne (one of my favorites). It doesn't suck, but I can think of no reason to buy this one when there are significantly better examples of the style.

 528 characters

Photo of Seattleman
2.79/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottled 06/10/10

A: Very dark reddish-brown with a tan and bubbly head. Great look to the beer.

S: Not a very strong nose. Faintly sweet soda-pop like smell of overripe fruit.

T: More sweet than sour, with a metallic after taste. While tartness is detected, expected something much more sour given the style.

M: Light with mild carbonation. Enjoyable.

O: Drinkable, but overly sweet. Could only drink one, had better Flanders style before. Might be an affordable segue into sours for those who have never tried them.

 521 characters

Photo of DimensionX
2.82/5  rDev -18.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

A: Poured with an intense fizzyness that dissipated almost instantly, reminded me of a soda pour more than a beer.

S: smells funky and kinda sweet with some dark fruit character.

T: The fruit comes out first, maybe dark cherries or figs but very sweet, this is followed by a kind of funky oak brett flavor. I like the initial taste but it quickly fades into a kind of sickly sweet, slimy aftertaste.

M: seems about right but maybe a little too slick on the after taste.

O: Clearly I'm not a huge fan, it isn't bad overall but I wouldn't buy it again. The after taste is where it really lost me, almost reminds me of a root beer.

 632 characters

Photo of donkeyrunner
2.83/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Chestnut brown pour with a cocoa mix grayish brown head. Fair retention in the shape of a footprint. Fancy silkscreen bottle art.

Smells like black forest cake batter and tastes like Weight Watchers black cherry diet soda. More of a sweet burst in back rather than any tart or sour Flanders character.

I've got 2 bottles left, who wants'em?

 342 characters

Photo of Rifugium
2.83/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

 398 characters

Photo of gnoff
2.86/5  rDev -17.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

25 cl bottle at Bishops Arms (Västra Hamngatan) Gothenburg, Sweden.
Deep red color, normal size beige head.
Mix of sour and butterscotch scent.
Some Belgian ale aroma as well.
Rather thin mouthfeel.
A bit spicy taste, with fruity aftertaste.
No bitterness.

 269 characters

Photo of biegaman
2.88/5  rDev -16.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A 330ml bottle with BB 2009, enjoyed in my hotel in Brussels on the eve of my first trip to Flanders.

Little flashes of brown disqualifies it from looking overly red wine like; the ale does, however, share an appearance with Coca-Cola. It glistens a cola shine and for short time possessed a cap of bubbles that simmered out over sounds of crackling.

The smell is actually more of a stench; it is odd and repellent. Hard copper, sour vinegar, and rotting seafood make a vile, almost sickening, concoction of smell. Your Flanders Red should go well with your seafood, but not smell like it.

The taste has notes of cherries, raisins, and plum - but all very faint. An almost repugnant flavour of eggplant kept popping up. I definitely would have liked less of the dry vegetable and more of the fresh fruit. Did they use ocean water? The malt and oak are hardly noticeable.

More and more, until almost entirely, I considered the beer like a watered down port. It tasted and drank like a cheap port that had been watered down. The mouthfeel was flat and syrupy, with no carbonation, no sourness, no acidity, no texture, and little indication of any oak.

I really hope this beer doesn't find itself into the hands of someone about to first try the Flanders Red style because it does it no justice and is repulsive enough to turn them right away from it. I bought and drank the bottle, which was fresh, in Belgium so unless it was a bad batch, Timmermans has some explaining to do.

It didn't have the tart, acidic fruity sourness nor the rustic, oak overtones that makes Flanders' Ales so charming and complex. It did have an odd seafood/vegetable taste with wet cardboard finish. It actually managed to leave me a little less excited for Brugge and Ghent.

 1,761 characters

Photo of jgasparine
2.89/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served at Cambrinus Restaurant, Bruges, Belgium.

A- Pours into the glass with virtually no head- just a haze layer & collar. No real lacing. The body is a semi-opaque garnet color. No visible carbonation from the sides of the glass.

S- Not much on the nose... a very weak nose. Hard to pull anything off it. Maybe some faint traces of melanoidins and that's about it.

T- A very mild flavor. Some candy malt and melanoidins. It lacks the anticipated acidity and oakiness known for the style. it finishes very abruptly and dry, with some slight metallic flavor. Underwhelming.

M- A nice solid medium body. Lots of nice soft carbonation, which fills out the mouth nicely.

D- If you're not put-off by the mildness of the beer too much, then it's quite drinkable.

 763 characters

Photo of colts9016
2.92/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

This is the first time that I have tried this style of beer, a thank you from Donkeyrunner. Poured into a tulip glass at 47 degrees.

Appearance: A one finger head that has terrible retention. The color of the head is light tan, foamy and bubbly. The head left some lacing on the glass, not much though. The color of the beer is dark mahogany color with reddish hues hues. The beer has some carbonation visible on the side of the glass.

Nose: A strong fruity aroma like cherries, kettle cooked caramel, chocolate, and some diacytles.

Taste: A very sweet, cherry, chocolate flavor, and cooked caramel flavors. and a high maltiness.

The mouth feel of the beer is chewy, no carbonation, and sweet.

Overall: The body of the beer is medium and the finish is medium light. Okay, do not know what to think of this beer, it does not seem like a flanders beer that is acidic or strong in flavor. To me, is lacks a lot to make this beer excellent. It is just an average beer, nothing special.

 990 characters

Photo of illidurit
2.93/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On tap at burger. in Santa Cruz. Pours a dark clear ruby black with a sudsy tan head. Aroma is faint with light notes of overripe red fruit and dark bread. Flavor is full of sugary cherries, like cherry yogurt, with a sweet malty finish. Lacks the tartness of a good flanders ale. Pretty much just alcoholic soda.

 313 characters

Photo of DavidST
2.94/5  rDev -15%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

 721 characters

Photo of rastaman
3/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Rather sweet and thin bodied, not one of the better examples of the style, but still OK, slightly tart cherry quality, but nothing exceptional. Light and slightly enjoyable, very downable.

 188 characters

Photo of pokesbeerdude
3.01/5  rDev -13%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottle purchased from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins. Around $8. Cork dates this as 2010. Into a NB Globe. Bottle notes this as 5.2%.

A: Cola colored beer with about half an inch of light tan head that disappears almost as quickly as it arrives. Leaves a few spots of lacing. A few islands of bubbles remain. Lots of red highlights when held to the light.

S: Brown malts, a slightly vinous note, not any real funk or acetic acid notes that I had expected. Slight bit of cherries and vanilla. There are a few light tart notes. Smells decent but not quite what I was hoping for.

T: Again very sweet smelling with just a little bit of a tart finish, really faint though. Notes of vanilla and cherries, some brown malt sweetness, and a slightly musty character to it as well. Slightly metallic finish on the end. Pretty average.

M: Light bodied, and way overcarbonated. Finish is fairly dry, a little bit of stickiness on the lips as well.

O: There are better examples of this style of beer out there. This is just not a great one. I could see new people to beer liking this, but it just doesn't do much for me. Not offensive just a pretty average beer.

 1,158 characters

Photo of Guden
3.02/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

A- Pours a deep dark brown with just a touch of ruby highlights coming through in my Tripel Karmeliet tulip. Off white head fades quickly into an oily layer around the rim.

S- Toasty malt, cherries, fruit punch, vanilla, fennel and hints of vinegar and funk. There's also a strange sickly sweet smell laced in that I find a bit off putting.

T- Very sugary sweet, almost to soda levels, with just a little sourness and toast. Finish is still fairly sweet but has a fruit punch flavor and tanginess.

M- Way too thick for a sour beer in my opinion. Medium carbonation is alright.

O- What can I say, this is a strange somewhat artificial seeming beer. It's drinkable enough but not very complex and the sweetness is way too high for my tastes.

 743 characters

Photo of ianjsullivan
3.02/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

ST: 11.2oz poured into a tulip

A: Dark brown with a think off-white head.

S: Some sour dark fruit, a bit of stone, wet malt.

T: Sweet dark fruit (raisin, prune), slight caramel, and a clean finish.

M: Medium and sweet.

O: Little aroma and little flavor, and the flavor available is mostly sweet. This beer is not worth a try.

 333 characters

Photo of jibbyvonjibb
3.06/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Brown with reddish tint. Fairly clear.
S: Sweet dark fruit. No expected brett funk.
T: Fruitness prominent: prune juice, maybe some dried apricots. Brown sugar and molasses. Only a bit tart.
M: Decent carbonation, though more would be better.
O: A very tame bruin. I personally would like it more if was substantially tarter and dryer. The sweetness wasn't overpowering, but definitely accentuated in this beer. Go elsewhere (I like Bellegems) for a more balanced bruin.

 473 characters

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.09/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

 809 characters

Photo of stewart124
3.09/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Dark mahogany in color with some haze and visible carbonation. A bit of lace but nothing to write home about.

Caramel and tart cherry in the nose.

More caramel in the taste but it comes as a sweeter note. Something in the way of soda-like in character. Easy to drink throughout but not something I could drink more than one of. The tartness is there but fails to surpass the sweetness.

 387 characters

Photo of fear025
3.09/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap that the Bavarian Lodge in Lisle, IL.

Aroma:Very little aroma.

Appearance:Dark burgundy in color.

Taste:Strong pomegranate and dark cherry flavors. It's got just a little sourness, not very sour. The flavors stay the same on the aftertaste as they fade.

Mouthfeel:Light to medium body, creamy texture.

Drinkability:This one is a fairly tame Oud Brune as these things go. It's more of a session version of a flanders, or maybe even a fruit beer.

 456 characters

first ← prev | 1-25 | 26-50 | 51-75  | nextlast
Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
3.46 out of 5 based on 315 ratings.
  • About Us

    Your go-to website for beer (since 1996), publishers of BeerAdvocate magazine (since 2006) and hosts of world-class beer events (since 2003). Respect Beer.
  • Extreme Beer Fest® Cometh

    February 3-4, 2017. Boston, Mass. Limited tickets available. Prepare for epicness.

    Learn More
  • Free Trial Subscription

    Reside in the US? Interested in a free 1-month trial subscription to the print edition of BeerAdvocate magazine?

    Yes! Sign Me Up!