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Bourgogne Des Flandres | Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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Bourgogne Des FlandresBourgogne Des Flandres

Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

Style: Flanders Red Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.00%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
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Added by rastaman on 10-12-2002

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Photo of Sammy
3.5/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Attractive and promising Dark mollasses colour. mollasses aroma with a sweetness other than mollasses, candy? Then sourness and tongue numbing that lasts 6 hours later. An experience that is not necessarily satisfying. Not complex, but drinkable brew.

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Photo of UCLABrewN84
2.48/5  rDev -28.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Bottle I brought to share at DarthKostrizer's tasting.

Bottled on 1/7/10.

Pours a clear brown with a khaki head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Small dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, sugar, and some very slight sour aromas. Taste is of malt and sugar with no tartness whatsoever. This beer has a pretty good level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty poor beer and a horrible example of the style.

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Photo of Knapp85
3.65/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

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Photo of Phyl21ca
3.7/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured a dark red beer with a huge head with pretty good retention. Oak really hits you when you small this beer. Taste is very refreshing with a hint of sweet cheery which is attributable to the oak. Finish is a bit dry and watery which stop this beer from being as good as the Rodenbach. Still a nice example of the style.

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Photo of zeff80
3.41/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Poured out a dark, dark burgundy color with a one-finger, tan head of foam. It left some sudsy lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of sour cherry and not much else.

T - It tasted of sour cherry with some sweet caramel and a good dose of malt.

M - It was crisp and smooth. Slightly soft on the mouthfeel. A light to medium bodied ale.

O - Not sour enough and too malty. I guess I see why it was retired.

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Photo of chinchill
3.89/5  rDev +12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at the Atlanta Yard House.

A: clear dark brown-amber with an excllent beige head. Very good lacing

Aroma: complex with tart, fruity and liquer elements.

Flavor: Sweet up front turning tart-sweet by the finish. Moderately malty, Complex, lingering aftertaste.

Feel: medium body; OK carbonation. Smooth

O: Interesting and worth trying

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Photo of Rifugium
2.83/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.22/5  rDev -35.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

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Photo of Jason
3.48/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

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Photo of RblWthACoz
3.63/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a clear, but quite dark brown with ruby tones. Very small almost tan head. Flavor is nice. Smooth, yet candy sweet a bit. There is that definite Flanders ale taste. Slight wood with an almost cherry sweetness. It's not exactly the most complex or mature profile, but it works nicely and I dig it. Feel is a noticeable carbonation, but not abrasively full. Liquid is thick enough. This one is easy to drink and decent.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.09/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

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Photo of feloniousmonk
3.57/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Let's get into a "sour", shall we? Something brewed and bottled for Anthony Martin by Timmermans Brewery, Bourgogne de Flandres, Belgian Brown Ale, 1765, van Houtryve Brugge. Bruges' typical brown ale, matured 6 months in oak casks. ALC 5.2 %.

Dark, dusky, purplish coloration, small darkish head.

Vinous aromatics, very grape-y, berries and cherries with a hit of sour. Some sweet fruit, with a good dose of the other stuff.

Taste: berry-licious. sour-tastic. nice and medium, for the sour-heads among us. Is this the Duchesse Junior, the light sour? Sweetness, then some sour, …very tasty, but never over the top.

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Photo of smakawhat
3.55/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from the bottle into a tulip glass.

Pours chestnut and then hits with and extremely dark brown with barley a hint of red body. A tan head is made with perhaps some fluffy consistency but settles slowly, but leaves a good collar. Dark brew.

Nose is sweet and interesting. Dry sweet clove, perhaps mace and brown sugar.

Palate hits with a very grape box sweetness. Grape juice Welches quality to the palate with a mild brown sugar. Light bodied with some density but a little hit of wet. Prickly carbonation, matches the sweetness and blurs the line between grape soda and prickly beer.

Overall this is a little too sweet for my tastes, and it's also a bit too soda like strangely. I would have it over many other beers, but I certainly don't feel the need to want to have this again.

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Photo of BeerForMuscle
3.97/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Crystal clear burgundy body with a thin head and many arising carbonation strands.

S - Sweet rubbing alcohol and ammonia. Plenty of sweet fruity notes and syruppy sugar and malt.

T - Flavors of sweet honey and delicious ripe fruit salad. Faint warm and sweet alcohol. Tangy fruit skin and dried fruit sugars. A bit of malt sweetness with a mild acidity and oaky dryness in the back end.

M - Fizzy and tingly on the tongue. So clean and crisply refreshing. A slightly dry finish.

O - A great flanders ale, on the sweet side but thirst quenching and highly drinkable.

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Photo of LiquidAmber
3.63/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark red amber with a one finger medium pinkish white head with good retention and lacing. Aroma is sweet malt and sour fruit, cherries. Mellow flavor of cherries, sour and sweet, finishes with a well blended flavor of dark fruit, malt and cherries somewhat tangy. Moderate bodied. Somewhat subdued in flavor, but pleasant and satisfying to drink. This is a one year old bottle with unknown storage details (may be a bottle from distributor storage).

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Photo of BARFLYB
3.58/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

11.2OZ bottle into a Rodenbach Grand Cru tulip.

Timmerman's Flander's sports a ruddy red, burnt brown appearance and a nice inch of thickish foam ivory looking that leaves some sqiggles.

Smell is weird, a flanders for sure, apple cider, werther's, musk, oak, roasty malts.

Taste grew on me, it took some sips, not sour and not overly sweet. Not a roadie, vinegar, sweet cherry flavor, no oaky flavor, coca cola, im torn on this beer.

Feel is a nice medium build with a nice carb that's not too bitey. vinegar stays a bit and keeps this from gaining props. maybe a bit of age will do something. I drank it and it was not all that bad, give it a go.

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Photo of biegaman
2.88/5  rDev -16.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A 330ml bottle with BB 2009, enjoyed in my hotel in Brussels on the eve of my first trip to Flanders.

Little flashes of brown disqualifies it from looking overly red wine like; the ale does, however, share an appearance with Coca-Cola. It glistens a cola shine and for short time possessed a cap of bubbles that simmered out over sounds of crackling.

The smell is actually more of a stench; it is odd and repellent. Hard copper, sour vinegar, and rotting seafood make a vile, almost sickening, concoction of smell. Your Flanders Red should go well with your seafood, but not smell like it.

The taste has notes of cherries, raisins, and plum - but all very faint. An almost repugnant flavour of eggplant kept popping up. I definitely would have liked less of the dry vegetable and more of the fresh fruit. Did they use ocean water? The malt and oak are hardly noticeable.

More and more, until almost entirely, I considered the beer like a watered down port. It tasted and drank like a cheap port that had been watered down. The mouthfeel was flat and syrupy, with no carbonation, no sourness, no acidity, no texture, and little indication of any oak.

I really hope this beer doesn't find itself into the hands of someone about to first try the Flanders Red style because it does it no justice and is repulsive enough to turn them right away from it. I bought and drank the bottle, which was fresh, in Belgium so unless it was a bad batch, Timmermans has some explaining to do.

It didn't have the tart, acidic fruity sourness nor the rustic, oak overtones that makes Flanders' Ales so charming and complex. It did have an odd seafood/vegetable taste with wet cardboard finish. It actually managed to leave me a little less excited for Brugge and Ghent.

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Photo of BlackHaddock
3.75/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This 33cl bottle has been hanging around my shelves for some time and I thought it time to release it. I popped it into the fridge and here we are. So on a sunny evening in early June 2010 I poured the bottle into a 'forbidden fruit' badged chalice.

The beer poured a deep dark ruby red colour, an off-white almost tan coloured head sat on top for about 10 seconds before becoming a collar and wispy covering.

The smell was of semi-sour/semi-sweet old cherries without the pips and hints of something to come.

I am not a big fan of the Belgian sourpuss beers (check out some of my reviews, I've had plenty), so I was pleasantly pleased to find this wasn't one of those vinegarous brews. This hoovers just above sour and could almost be called sweet by some, I'll go for 'bordering on toothsome'.

The sweetness does appear to get sweeter as the beer warmed, which isn't good, but I enjoyed the beer from start to finish. Not your regular Flanders Red, but one of the best in my eyes.

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Photo of wl0307
3.23/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

BB 05/12/09, served lightly chilled in De Dolle Oerbier's long-stemmed goblet.

A: pours a very dark brown hue with ruby glows when seen against light, coming with constant streams of tiny fizz and a 1cm thick, light tan foamy head that lasts throughout the drink.
S: the aroma of this Oud Bruin is the most estery among the four I've tasted these two days, showing a strong influence of sour-sweet yeasts (like the Japanese lactose drink), strangely perfumy, plus a light touch of coriander even. Not that it's unpleasant, but the lactic sour tinge - supposedly a main feature of this type of ale - is subdued. Fortunately, a good swirl does bring out the more sour fruity hints on top of a bit more maltiness as well, featuring oily-rich sour black-prunes, raisins, sweet cherries, burned sugar...
T: carbonated black prune juice and a touch of sweet herbal tea come on top of a thin body of semi-neutrally favoured dark malts, with but a faint hint of lactic sourness and some metallic fruits; then the flavour turns quite neutral/clean, leaving an herbally-bitter edge of wood-ageing behind... Alas, it ends up slightly thin-bodied in the end, which doesn't do any favour to the already simplistic flavour profile.
M&D: the carbonation is not as smooth and natural as my other three bottles, but still light enough to render an approachable palate to go with the very light flavour profile. All in all, there's very little in the glass that I'd say has done this style any justice; for, it's quite mediocre overall and just fails to keep my interest.

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Photo of rhoadsrage
4/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a dense walnut brown body with a little light glowing at the base of the glass. There is a sticky beige head that sticks to the glass in sheets but doesn't last.

S- The soft bright almost citrus orange tartness has some wet raw oak and rhubarb notes that grow as the beer opens.

T- The blend of cola and wet wood led to a mellow tartness and some brown sugar sweetness that starts to develop as it opens. There is a touch of cherries and citrus hints to a bright tartness in the finish. A well blended brown malt and dry toffee note has some paper oxidation notes and a faint aspirin quality to follow. There is a bitterness of grapefruit pith in the finish aswell.

M- The medium mouthfeel has a touch of fizz in the finish but it is gentle.

O- This beer is bright with some nice fruity depth to it and a soft tartness but it becomes a bit too sweet as it warms and the tartness is a bit too mellow to combat that.

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Photo of pat61
4.1/5  rDev +18.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nose sour tart dark malt, fruit with a hint of chocolate. The lemony tartness grows as it ages. Brilliant brown with very light red tint under a 2” finely bubbled bone white foam cap with a very light tan tint. Attacks the palate with a mouthful of fruit and some dark malt sugars with traces of chocolate balanced by a pleasant tartness with lemon notes. The tartness grows and the sweetness decreases as it ages. Medium body and medium high carbonation. A little tame.

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Photo of sweemzander
3.37/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

11.2oz. bottle poured into a stemmed glass. 28/06/10 printed on the bottle.

(A)- Pours a very dark and deep burnt sienna color. Produced a great cap of off-white frothy head. Great retention. Lots of lace left behind.

(S)- Very dry and oaky. Earthy and funky too. Barely any acidity, sourness, or fruit detected.

(T)- Better than the smell led me to believe. Some good bits of vinous-like fruits and a mild vinegar-like acidity in front of a dry oaky funk finish.

(M)- A nice mellow carbonation level. A nice balance of fruit, oak, and funk. Very mellow on the sour/acidity level.

(D)- Not a whole lot going on with this, but it sure goes down easy. My bottle didnt last long since its so mellow. A decent cheap flanders that fits the style easy enough, but like i said: Its very mellow on flavor.

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Photo of DefenCorps
2.39/5  rDev -30.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

On tap at Max's today, side-by-side with the Bockor Cuvee des Jacobins Rouge.

Deep ruby red with reddish brown highlights, a thin tan head with decent retention, this is OK. The nose is disappointing with some sugar, some cola, a little vanilla and no real sourness. A little musty, this is disappointing. The palate opens with a mild tartness, a mild rotting fruit-like character, some sugar and mild vanilla. Drying on the finish with a mild tannic character, this isn't very good. Light in body with a moderate level of carbonation, I really didn't enjoy (or finish) my pour

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Photo of jmdrpi
4.1/5  rDev +18.5%

served in a goblet from the tap

medium brown in color, not really any head. mild sour aroma, a bit earthy and dark fruits. taste is fairly malty, with just a slightly sour vinegary finish. Not very sour, drinks easy and refreshing. Thin bodied.

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Photo of dgilks
3.23/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a medium brown with a slight red tinge. A light tan head has good retention. No lacing.

Light acetic and lactic aromas are teemed with a brown sugar and caramel sweetness. Dates and figs come through as well. Not bad but doesn't really have an X-factor.

The initial attack is quite sweet with a raw, brown sugar sweetness. The mid palate is better developed with some light acetic sourness helping to cut the sugar. It still seems a bit out of balance towards the sweet. I get a hint of clove and indescript fruit. It's okay (and is reasonably to style for an Old Bruin) but seems a bit muddled and doesn't fall into place for me.

Medium body and low to moderate carbonation are true to style. A slight acetic harshness lingers at the back of the throat.

A reasonably tasty beer but it doesn't quite do it for me. The flavours are muddled on the palate and lack structure. I can't see me drinking much of this.

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