Bourgogne Des Flandres | Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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Bourgogne Des FlandresBourgogne Des Flandres

Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
Belgium | website

Style: Flanders Red Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.00%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
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Photo of DavidST
2.94/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.22/5  rDev -36%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

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Photo of specksnreds
3.59/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark cherry cola look with little or no smell. What I do smell is malt vinegar. Head is fluffy, tan and plenty bubbly. Tastes like cooked dark cherries and sweet malt. Tart fruit from start to finish with a cola-like finish. A bit sweet, but a nice sipper after dinner. I like this beer.

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Photo of BeerImmediately
1.91/5  rDev -45%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Picked up on a whim, and regretting I did so.

Poured into Duvel tulip at about 45 degrees. 2F of bubbly cream-colored head which quickly lowers to a film over a crimson-to-brown colored body. TONS of visible carbonation.

There's almost no aroma here - none of the classic Flanders Red. Got cardboard, earth, and prunes.

Flavor is quite disappointing. Rotten dark fruits, touch of vinous quality - sort of like a carbonated version of a kids grape juice box that's been rotting in the sun for a few weeks.

Mouthfeel is pretty thin, with far too much carbonation. No tart pull. And overshadowed by the bad flavor.

I'm hoping I just got a bad bottle, because if this is how the brewers release this, they should just pack it in.

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Photo of samie85
3.16/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Reviewed from notes; originally 4/15/11.

A-Pours a ruby-tinged marron with two fingers of white head.

S-Smells of tart cherries with a bit of oak and some light, sweet malt.

T-The roasted barley is evident from the start with some slight vinegary notes.

M-Pretty smooth and mouth-coating feel with low carbonation for the style.

D-Very easy drinking but steers a little too close to cloying for the style.

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Photo of Rassputtin
3.89/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330 ml bottle
28/06/10 09:43

Pours an amber red almost no head that is gone immediately.

Smells great. It is sweet but tart and sour. Smells a little bready and fruity.

It tastes much like it smells. Starts fruity and tart like a sour but ends up bready.

Mouthfeels is good a little carbonationy. Not heavy at all. Starts smooth and ends pretty smooth.

Overall a pretty good beer. Worth a try for sure and definitely A pick above many others.

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Photo of ElGordo
3.7/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the 750ml champagne bottle into a Liefmans chalice. Body is a pretty reddish brown color with some ruby highlights, topped by a half inch of creamy, off-white head that leaves a good bit of lacing all around the whole glass.
Aroma of light, bready malt, sweet fruit (cherry and fig), and a hint of vinegary sourness. Palate is fruit-forward with lots of cherry sweetness and a bready malt base. A mild sourness lingers on the finish. Body is light, creamy, and just a bit sticky. While not nearly as sour as some other Flemish reds, this is still a very tasty little number.

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Photo of Knapp85
3.65/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

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Photo of pokesbeerdude
3.01/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottle purchased from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins. Around $8. Cork dates this as 2010. Into a NB Globe. Bottle notes this as 5.2%.

A: Cola colored beer with about half an inch of light tan head that disappears almost as quickly as it arrives. Leaves a few spots of lacing. A few islands of bubbles remain. Lots of red highlights when held to the light.

S: Brown malts, a slightly vinous note, not any real funk or acetic acid notes that I had expected. Slight bit of cherries and vanilla. There are a few light tart notes. Smells decent but not quite what I was hoping for.

T: Again very sweet smelling with just a little bit of a tart finish, really faint though. Notes of vanilla and cherries, some brown malt sweetness, and a slightly musty character to it as well. Slightly metallic finish on the end. Pretty average.

M: Light bodied, and way overcarbonated. Finish is fairly dry, a little bit of stickiness on the lips as well.

O: There are better examples of this style of beer out there. This is just not a great one. I could see new people to beer liking this, but it just doesn't do much for me. Not offensive just a pretty average beer.

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Photo of sweemzander
3.37/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

11.2oz. bottle poured into a stemmed glass. 28/06/10 printed on the bottle.

(A)- Pours a very dark and deep burnt sienna color. Produced a great cap of off-white frothy head. Great retention. Lots of lace left behind.

(S)- Very dry and oaky. Earthy and funky too. Barely any acidity, sourness, or fruit detected.

(T)- Better than the smell led me to believe. Some good bits of vinous-like fruits and a mild vinegar-like acidity in front of a dry oaky funk finish.

(M)- A nice mellow carbonation level. A nice balance of fruit, oak, and funk. Very mellow on the sour/acidity level.

(D)- Not a whole lot going on with this, but it sure goes down easy. My bottle didnt last long since its so mellow. A decent cheap flanders that fits the style easy enough, but like i said: Its very mellow on flavor.

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Photo of Rifugium
2.83/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.09/5  rDev -11%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

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Photo of Jason
3.48/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

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Photo of SkeeterHawk
3.58/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I picked this beer up at Hop City in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. Let's give it a shot:

Appearance: Pours a dark garnet color that I really can't tell if it is clear. It has about a 1/2" head of creamy light tan bubbles after a pretty aggressive pour. The head looks like it wants to stick around for a while. There is already some lacing on the glass after just swirling.

Aroma: I initially got a little of the Flanders funk that you expect, but this beer is mild for the style. There is a pretty decent amount dark caramel and a little bit of cherries, but the vinegar is very reserved.

Taste: The flavor is really in line with the aroma. It is subtly wild with a sweet caramel malty edge to it. There is no hops to speak of and the finish is dominated by the malt and sweetness as well. The body is light, but it does have a bit of mouthfeel to it so that it doesn't come across as too watery.

Opinion: This is a pretty decent beer. Quite light for the style, which I don't really like, but it has a good flavor. It is even light when you put it beside a Vichtenaar. Take that for what you will. I would recommend that someone new to this style give this a shot before you go to Rodenbach.

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Photo of BARFLYB
3.58/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

11.2OZ bottle into a Rodenbach Grand Cru tulip.

Timmerman's Flander's sports a ruddy red, burnt brown appearance and a nice inch of thickish foam ivory looking that leaves some sqiggles.

Smell is weird, a flanders for sure, apple cider, werther's, musk, oak, roasty malts.

Taste grew on me, it took some sips, not sour and not overly sweet. Not a roadie, vinegar, sweet cherry flavor, no oaky flavor, coca cola, im torn on this beer.

Feel is a nice medium build with a nice carb that's not too bitey. vinegar stays a bit and keeps this from gaining props. maybe a bit of age will do something. I drank it and it was not all that bad, give it a go.

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Photo of champ103
3.4/5  rDev -2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a deep garnet red. A two finger beige head forms with good retention. Some lace as well. Looks nice.
S: Tart fruits, very vinegary up front. That is it, Pretty simple. This does remind me of Duchesse in the nose.
T: Tart and vinegary again. Which I enjoy. Though to much of a metallic flavor going on. Lingering moldy wood as well.
M/D: A medium body and carbonation. Just a bit thin. Not hard to sip on, but I would not go for another like I would with Duchesse.

Not bad, but not nearly of the standard that Duchesse is. Which is the only beer this can be judged against. Enjoyable, but not the "Real McCoy."

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Photo of WhyBeNormal
2.66/5  rDev -23.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bourgogne des Flandres, a Flanders Oud Bruin blended with Lambic and aged for 6 months in oak barrels. It isn't bad, exactly, but it is fairly one-dimensional for the style. It's better once it warms up, but still pretty boring. Very sweet, with a vaguely cherry cola-like flavor and just a semblance of sourness. Reminds me of a really shitty attempt at copying Duchesse De Bourgogne (one of my favorites). It doesn't suck, but I can think of no reason to buy this one when there are significantly better examples of the style.

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Photo of jibbyvonjibb
3.06/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Brown with reddish tint. Fairly clear.
S: Sweet dark fruit. No expected brett funk.
T: Fruitness prominent: prune juice, maybe some dried apricots. Brown sugar and molasses. Only a bit tart.
M: Decent carbonation, though more would be better.
O: A very tame bruin. I personally would like it more if was substantially tarter and dryer. The sweetness wasn't overpowering, but definitely accentuated in this beer. Go elsewhere (I like Bellegems) for a more balanced bruin.

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Photo of fear025
3.09/5  rDev -11%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap that the Bavarian Lodge in Lisle, IL.

Aroma:Very little aroma.

Appearance:Dark burgundy in color.

Taste:Strong pomegranate and dark cherry flavors. It's got just a little sourness, not very sour. The flavors stay the same on the aftertaste as they fade.

Mouthfeel:Light to medium body, creamy texture.

Drinkability:This one is a fairly tame Oud Brune as these things go. It's more of a session version of a flanders, or maybe even a fruit beer.

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Photo of eric5bellies
3.59/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Drank from my Leffe chalice

A - Pours a dark mahogany colour witha tight off white head that dies quickly.

S - Really nice creamy nutty dark fruits.

T - Sherbert like taste with cherries to finish, has a lingeriung sticky flavour.

M - Medium body and well carbonated.

D - Not my favourite flanders red, as it's a bit watery.

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Photo of BlackHaddock
3.75/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This 33cl bottle has been hanging around my shelves for some time and I thought it time to release it. I popped it into the fridge and here we are. So on a sunny evening in early June 2010 I poured the bottle into a 'forbidden fruit' badged chalice.

The beer poured a deep dark ruby red colour, an off-white almost tan coloured head sat on top for about 10 seconds before becoming a collar and wispy covering.

The smell was of semi-sour/semi-sweet old cherries without the pips and hints of something to come.

I am not a big fan of the Belgian sourpuss beers (check out some of my reviews, I've had plenty), so I was pleasantly pleased to find this wasn't one of those vinegarous brews. This hoovers just above sour and could almost be called sweet by some, I'll go for 'bordering on toothsome'.

The sweetness does appear to get sweeter as the beer warmed, which isn't good, but I enjoyed the beer from start to finish. Not your regular Flanders Red, but one of the best in my eyes.

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Photo of snogglethorpe
3.15/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

According to the bottle, this is mix of red ale and lambic. Despite this, it was only a little sour; there was something of a nice woody taste, but in general it seemed a bit of boring and watered down, and was pretty much static (I mention this because something like Rodenbach, besides being far bolder, has a very dynamic and changing taste as you drink).

It's a nice darkish color, but not all that carbonated (small and quickly disappearing head), and because of the timid taste, seemed less refreshing than other beers of the same style I've had.

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Photo of roblowther
3.51/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Muled back from Belgium by Kevin (props for that!) It is almost black in color with a dense, rocky light tan head. It smells like old leather and sort of like bandaids. Taste is sweet up front, with a nice maltiness and a slight sharpenng at the end. Tastes of carob powder with a buttery note and traces of strawberry. Very mellow, it seems like I'm going to like it more than I do, somehow. I like it, just not as much as I think I will when I hit the first sip. Mouthfeel is creamy, soft, and sharply carbonated at the same time. Drinkability isn't bad but the aftertaste is a touch metallic and doesn't make me yearn for the next sip. It has a lot of interesting things that it almost pulls off, it just seems the beer doesn't quite walk the talk. All in all a decent brew, one I'd have again. Its one I'd like to try aged or on tap (if such exists) to see how variances would affect it. To sum it up? Its got potential.

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Photo of jgasparine
2.89/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served at Cambrinus Restaurant, Bruges, Belgium.

A- Pours into the glass with virtually no head- just a haze layer & collar. No real lacing. The body is a semi-opaque garnet color. No visible carbonation from the sides of the glass.

S- Not much on the nose... a very weak nose. Hard to pull anything off it. Maybe some faint traces of melanoidins and that's about it.

T- A very mild flavor. Some candy malt and melanoidins. It lacks the anticipated acidity and oakiness known for the style. it finishes very abruptly and dry, with some slight metallic flavor. Underwhelming.

M- A nice solid medium body. Lots of nice soft carbonation, which fills out the mouth nicely.

D- If you're not put-off by the mildness of the beer too much, then it's quite drinkable.

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Photo of DefenCorps
2.39/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

On tap at Max's today, side-by-side with the Bockor Cuvee des Jacobins Rouge.

Deep ruby red with reddish brown highlights, a thin tan head with decent retention, this is OK. The nose is disappointing with some sugar, some cola, a little vanilla and no real sourness. A little musty, this is disappointing. The palate opens with a mild tartness, a mild rotting fruit-like character, some sugar and mild vanilla. Drying on the finish with a mild tannic character, this isn't very good. Light in body with a moderate level of carbonation, I really didn't enjoy (or finish) my pour

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Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
3.47 out of 5 based on 314 ratings.
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