Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Rhum Barrels) | BFM (Brasserie des Franches-Montagnes)

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Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Rhum Barrels)Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Rhum Barrels)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
BFM (Brasserie des Franches-Montagnes)
Switzerland
brasseriebfm.ch

Style: Bière de Garde

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 11.00%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
Strong Sour Ale Double Wooded in Rum Barrels

Added by aasher on 06-09-2011

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

BEER STATS
Ratings:
47
Reviews:
25
Avg:
3.61
pDev:
15.51%
 
 
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Ratings: 47 |  Reviews: 25
Photo of Bouleboubier
2.36/5  rDev -34.6%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.25

Sampled some a couple months ago from a bottle of the same collection - that was better than this, but still well short of amazing...

A: very cloudy/murky, dark amber or red-orange - no head, scant big bubbles pouring from a height - couldn't help some sediment falling in, fairly big flakes/chunks - totally looks bad/infected - not appealing at all...what is this supposed to be?

S: at first, it smells vaguely like an oud bruin or, better, an extra malty gueuze - certainly vinous (red) - little bit of a diaper scent - somehow, the alcohol doesn't poke through much at all

T: not good - no malt, just dull, vaguely estery flavors - near complete absence of depth or complexity - comes off as malt-wine blend that's just starting to turn awful - bordering on vinegar - ironically, not bad enough to spit out, but no enjoyment

M: like the taste, noticeably watery, primarily up front - a mellow honey-like (yet watery) roll in the finish - dry, but with a silky film coating the mouth - late alcohol warmth

O: maybe this could have been saved had they corked it? a lil méthode champenoise in this shit - I'll take the regular Bon-Chien any day over this

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Photo of Falcon91Wolvrn03
2.54/5  rDev -29.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 2.5

Appearance – A dark red-amber color, with a few bubbles that appear for a few seconds then disappear. No carbonation visible.

Smell – Cider, vinegar, oak, and a hint of rum and cherries.

Taste – A sour, cidery flavor with a fair amount of rum and alcohol present.

Mouthfeel – Flat. Very flat. Too flat . Not a hint of carbonation. The 11% abv is apparent, and not hidden at all.

Drinkability – I’ve had decent beers this flat. However, it doesn't seem to work for this one. It feels like a soda that's been left out a few days.

There's some decent flavors here, but the sour cideriness takes away from that. Not worth the $23.99 I paid. I tried another bottle to ensure my review was fair, but it tasted the same the 2nd time as well. However, I really like their Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Bière de Garde (non-Grand-Cru).

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Photo of julian
2.6/5  rDev -28%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

A: No “hiss” or “pop” when I cracked the cap off. Color is dark orange/brown almost like maple syrup. There was also quite a bit of visible sediment in the bottle during the pour. No lacing 3

S: Smell is slightly sour, tart brown sugar like sweetness and a bit of funk with some wooded musk. 3

T&M: This is almost like drinking wine. It’s flat and boozy. The sourness is mostly out weighed by the high amount of malt and sugar. What little tartness there is, is of a sweet fermented fruit variety. Unfortunately, this is just not that good. Perhaps some age would help it but I doubt it. The lack of carbonation is also not helping it. 2.5 / 2.0

O: No carbonation, average aroma, appearance is OK and the taste is just too sweet for what it’s trying to do. It’s also pretty high in ABV so it drinks more like a flat barleywine or straight up wine. Would not drink again. It’s not terrible, just not for me. 2.5

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Photo of Patrickbrusil
2.63/5  rDev -27.1%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Zero carbonation. Not a hint. Reminded me of a mild apple cider vinegar.

Can't believe I paid $25 bucks.

I suppose the flavor profile would be ok if it had bubbles. The sour component is present. However, this failed in my mind.

If given a different batch option I might be tempted again but I'm a freak.

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Photo of AgentZero
3/5  rDev -16.9%

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3/5  rDev -16.9%

Photo of TurdFurgison
3.09/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I got to try this courtesy of normyk (thanks Rob!), side-by-side with 2006 & 2009 un-treated versions of Abbaye de Saint Bon-Chien (those courtesy of both Rob and Brad).

This poured nearly still, dark brown color with no head. There's a lot going on in the aroma, but unfortunately for me the rum and barrel seem to take away the funk. Boozy smelling, with some plums/raisins and oak.

The taste is again nice but nevertheless a let-down, no funk left in this beer. Just rum, barrel, dark fruits, maybe some cough syrup too. Pretty flat too, I guess that's somewhat appropriate for the style?

The final verdict from the vertical: The 2006 was sublime, my favorite by a mile. Next was the 2009 which was very good but definitely a level beneath the 2006, and finally this Rhum version was clearly the bottom tier. Not horrible, just not worth the very high coin it demands in stores.

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Photo of rudzud
3.1/5  rDev -14.1%
look: 2.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to Kyle for sharing.

A - Poured into a standard tulip a haze rusty hue with next to no head, in fact, looks still.

S - Aromas of apple skins, super faint malts, no alcohol, hardly any rum at all.

T - Taste is apple skins, faint sweet malts, no rum, light sourness, no alcohol. Rather one dimensional.

M - Mouthfeel is no carbonation, flat, slick. Not much booze.

O - Overall this beer was alright. Not nearly as complex as I'm used to from these guys. Nice light tartness. No rum though.

Serving type: bottle

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Photo of AlexFields
3.19/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.25

Photo of Budinetz
3.24/5  rDev -10.2%

Poured from a 37.5 cl bottle. Into a goblet. Brewed in 2010 - bottled in 2011


Pours a deep ruby red color with no head and no carbonation present. No lacing is present throughout the experience.

Smells of lactic acid, sweet malt, maple syrup, rum. Smells pretty bland compared to other grand cru sours that I've had.

Tastes of sweet brown sugar, Madeira, port wine with a sour beginning. Initial sip of this beer is sweet as pie, literally. It has the flavor of a pecan pie without the pecans...meaning straight rum. It has a sour middle due to the lacto and a dry finish with lingering flavor.

Mouthfeel is slick on the tongue and has zero carbonation. Not sure if this is the achieved goal for this beer but it does not fit the characteristic of the Biere de garde style.

Overall...this beer was aged over 3 years, one
Of those years was in rum barrels. It's safe to say that aging beer in rum barrels is a bad idea. I would never attempt to do this not would I condone this in future brewing endeavors. The sour profile ends up losing it's diligence and becoming a sub profile of the beer.

I've heard that BFM does awesome things so don't let this be an end to all ends. If you enjoy sour persuebeers try some other offerings.

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Photo of ygtbsm94
3.25/5  rDev -10%

Photo of MasterSki
3.25/5  rDev -10%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottle purchased from West Lakeview Liquors. Served in a Bell's tulip.

A - A hard pour rouses...nothing. Seems even more still than the other BFM Grand Crus. Orange-brown body that's transparent until the last pour.

S - The expected aromas of light vinegar, oak, and sweet malts is largely overwhelmed by oak and grain alcohol. If you concentrate hard there's some spiced rum presence that's been masked. As it warms up there's a light solvent/acetone flavor as well.

T - Taste is significantly better here, with less of the harsh alcohol and more overt spiced rum and sugar cane/candi sugar flavors. Less oak, but only mild acetic tartness. Faint oxidation is also present.

M - Lightly dry and tannic texture, still, medium-full body, and surprisingly little alcohol heat considering how spirit-heavy the flavor and aroma are.

D - Drinks more like diluted rum than like a BFM Grand Cru. I think the 'double wood(ing)' was probably too much for the base beer. Without a doubt the most disappointing of the series.

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3.25/5  rDev -10%

Photo of womencantsail
3.4/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks again, Bobby.

A: The beer pours a flat, opaque, amber color with almost no head.

S: Smells a bit funky and tart, some definite red wine vinegar with a bit of green apple and cherries. Some oak and vanilla with a definite rum aroma. Maybe a little bit boozy.

T: Vanilla and spicy oak with lots of rhum flavor. There's maybe a little bit of chocolate and tannins to it. Quite a bit of booze, maybe some light vinegar sourness, green apple, and lemon zest.

M: Medium bodied with almost no carbonation.

O: Way too boozy with the barrel dominating, and it doesn't really work out this way.

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Photo of Kerrrie
3.4/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Photo of bluejacket74
3.42/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

375 ml bottle, 2010 vintage. Served in a Unibroue tulip, the beer pours a cloudy brown color with pretty much no head at all. Not much lacing, either. The brew smells like sweet and tart dark fruit, oak, vinegar and some rum. Taste is similar to the aroma, but there's the addition of some apple. Mouthfeel/body is medium, it's a bit slick with very low carbonation. I think this is an OK brew, but it's nowhere near worth the price ($18.99 a bottle). Still, it was nice to try it.

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Photo of Tucquan
3.44/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Had this on 2012-04-01 in Columbia, PA

A - Hazy brown with no head and no lacing. Fine particulates. No lacing or alcohol legs.

S - Dried fruits like cherry, plum, fig with definite yeast funk and some malt.

T - Sour cherries, grape and oak tannins, hint of the rum flavor, alcohol, some grapefruit flesh, light spice. Very dry.

M - Light body and almost no carbonation. A bit thin.

O - A decent brew that I paid WAY too much for. I expected wonderfulness and got OK.

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Photo of stakem
3.45/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to Smoked for sharing this with me. Poured into a cervoise, this brew appears copper in color. When held to the light, it looks more of a clear ruby through the body with orange through the edges. A rough pour yields a few large bubbles that fade quickly. Som faint spotty lace sticks to the glass.

The smell of this brew is sour with cherry quality. Oak is present imparting a bit of caramel sweetness and lots of vanilla. As the brew warms up, more cherry comes out mixed with solvent, burning alcohol that makes the nose change to something that is quite medicinal smelling.

The taste is fusel with alcohol with a very bold display of solvent character. A bit of aceytone comes out tasting of nail polish remover. Herbal at times with a very warming kick. Cherry makes itself known at times with some earthy notes before the onset of more burning alcohol. As the brew comes up to temperature it gets to be a chore to finish.

This is a medium bodied brew with almost no carbonation. The 11% abv is not hidden in this offering at all. The lack of carbonation really doesn't help any. There is an unrecognizable spirited accent to the booze quality of this brew making it solvent. It isn't "bad" but hardly compares to some other offerings I've had from this brewery. More carbonation would have gone a long way perhaps some aging and colder serving temperature would make this experience more enjoyable. Regardless, I am thankful for the opportunity to try it. Thanks again Dan.

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3.5/5  rDev -3%

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3.5/5  rDev -3%

Photo of aasher
3.5/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This beer pours full bodied and very cloudy deep apricot. It poured smoothly without any bubbles or any head to speak of. The aromas are of sweet and sour dark fruits, light raisin, dehydrated apricots, perhaps light apple/Calvados, with a sour light alcohol finish. The flavors consist of funky apricots, light dark fruits, a moderate amount of alcohol, lightly sour apples, perhaps some light candied sugar. I don't actually get any rum barrel at all, which is odd. It was quite difficult to pick out the nuances of the flavors presented. It just didn't feature defined balance. There also isn't much of an aftertaste. In the middle of drinking this, we tried rum from Belize and it had the same type of aftertaste, mild vanilla and candied sugar. So that kind of put it in perspective. It has a very watery mouthfeel. Despite the thick looking pour it drinks very watery and is too easy to drink, and not in a good way. Overall this is an interesting brew but not close to being worth the $23.99 per 375ml bottle.

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3.5/5  rDev -3%

Photo of Thorpe429
3.58/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle picked up at Vintage Estate in Boardman, Ohio. After a poor experience with the Spirit Barrel version, I'm really hoping this is a serious step up. Served in a BFM goblet. Nose has a distinct rum presence. Flavor is moderately acidic with some cherry and white rum. Alcohol. Medium body.

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Photo of Urbancaver
3.59/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks normyk for this one

Pours a clear reddish orange. No real head to speak. Smells tart and sour. Maybe a touch of oak. Tastes astringent and weird off flavours. Harsh. Bitter, overall pretty rough compared to the base beer. The moth feel is thick but no real carbonation. Not nearly as enjoyable as other brews

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Photo of jampics2
3.67/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

375ml bottle at Lizardville, split with my wife. 2010 Grand Cru, aged in Rum barrels. $20.

The beer looks decent enough in the glass. It's nearly flat and a bit murky, as the brownish plum liquid swirls around the glass I'm reminded of prune juice. No worries, a quick vigorous swirl reawakens a few bubbles and makes this look good enough to drink.

The smell is complex and very pleasant, but lacks the expression I would like to see. Some barrel notes, mainly booze and oak, combine with a lacto sharpness, herbs and dark fruit. I get notes of fig, tart apple skin, cherry and some rum. Not the best beer ever but certainly not the worst.

The taste is very nice, but still falls short of the best examples of either sour beers or Bière de Garde that I've had. There's a good enough base beer here, with trademark herbs, oak and non-acetic sour lacto coming through. Some cherry and dark fruit fade into oak, a touch of vanilla, rum and some heat. The beer is sophisticated and very interesting, but the treatment doesn't showcase either the beer or the rum well enough for me.

The medium bodied beer has mild carbonation that makes it a bit lifeless. Overall, I liked the flavors here but think there are better beers for $20.

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Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Rhum Barrels) from BFM (Brasserie des Franches-Montagnes)
3.61 out of 5 based on 47 ratings.
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