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3.94 | pDev: 9.14%
Grimm Artisanal Ales
New York, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Very Good
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Notes: Tart cherry sour red ale
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Huhzubendah from District of Columbia

3.06/5  rDev -22.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to Matthew for sharing.

Ruby orange sunset body with a thin layer of tan head. The aroma is understated. The flavor is the same. Subtle notes of cherry, minimal funk, perhaps a hint of oak. Nothing is off, per se. However, the is bland and leaves me wanting.

Sep 23, 2016
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jfitzbrew from Vermont

3.77/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

On draft. Deep reddish brown with no head. some lacing. Hints of sour cherry and funk in the aroma. Similar flavor profile with medium to low lactic acidity present. Feels a bit thin. Overall enjoyable but nothing to write home about.

Sep 12, 2016
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FBGordon from Florida

3.62/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a bomber into a Grimm Ales glass. Fancy!

A: Pours a deep amber-brown with an off-white head that settles into a decent line that maintains and laces nicely throughout.

S: Some sour funk, notes of bread and woody tones. A touch of sour cherry aroma.

T: Some tart but smooth acidity, wild sour cherries and a little umami. Finishes clean and doesn't build much on the palate.

M: Nicely dry with a light carbonation. Sourness is only slightly puckering.

O: A nice, easy version of a Flemish sour. Easy drinking with subtle, earthy flavors. Cheers!

Aug 25, 2016
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rolltide8425 from Pennsylvania

3.67/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Very nice melange of colors in the glass;reds, yellows, browns, and oranges. Light cherry tartness on the nose. Very acidic up front with a lingering cherry finish.

Jul 18, 2016
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OompaMentor from Georgia

3.64/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

I'll be honest, I am not a fan of sour beers as they do not sit well once ingested - but this is a GRIMM so it's worth the try! Poured into a pint glass - dark "cherry" color with no head to speak of. Hint of cherries and an almost "wine" flavor to nose; that has to be the oak cask. Tart and sour yet the cherries temper the beer. Enjoyable!!

Jul 03, 2016
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StonedTrippin from Colorado

3.81/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

this has easily been the least impressive of the grimm beers i have had so far. it tastes good, but it has some issues too in my opinion. the color is right, a deep copper color, crimson on the edges, but with almost no head at all, not uncommon in a flanders red type, but off putting in a beer that needs some life. it smells great, the cherries are more subtle than the stinging sourness, some nice richer malt in here, a heavy lactic acidity, big fruit, dark like black cherry and tart too. the flavor isnt quite as expressive, it tastes medicinal a little bit, the fruit and the sour and the sweet seem to make it that way in unison. the grain is a little sweet for what this is, and it all tastes and feels a bit thin, needs more time maybe? needs a funk layer? i dont know, but something is missing for sure, and its more than just carbonation, although this thing is nearly flat. the acidity helps there, but it needs some life. overall a tasty beer, but nowhere near as distinct and different as their other stuff, and frankly not as good in my opinion.

Jun 23, 2016
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Suds from Missouri

3.67/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

So, on a hot, hazy, humid night in the Midwest, a cool tart beer can be excellent. This brew fit that mold. From a 22 ounce bottle, this brew is a dark, hazy, muddy-brown color. Not much of a head at all. The aroma is fruity, woody, winey, and lightly pungent. The taste is tart, with distant sour candy and a lot of fruit and fleeting caramel malt. Medium in body and very refreshing.

Jun 16, 2016
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zeff80 from Missouri

3.96/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

On tap. Poured an auburn color with a small, off-white head of foam. It smelled sour with cherry, apple and lemon notes. Tasted fairly tart and sour but not overdone. A touch of cherry and apple with a sweet caramel finish.

May 10, 2016
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tbryan5 from Louisiana

3.93/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Hazy, reddish brown with minimal head.
S- Tart, sour apple, sour cherry
T- Not overly tart on the palate. Less apple and more tart cherry on the palate. Oak is present in the background. Nice complement to the tartness.
M- Light, medium carbonation. Slightly drying, barely.
D- Way easier to drink than I expected. A good beer. Not my favorite Grimm, but still highly enjoyable nonetheless.

May 04, 2016
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Phil-Fresh from California

3.94/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4


A: Moderate caramel. toasty malt aroma with a light sourness. Not overly fragrant.

A: Deep amber color, color, hazy, almost opaque with a moderate white head that quickly recedes into a film across the glass.

T: Deeply malty - caramel and toast-like with a light sweetness. The cherries add a light sweet, tart complexity, with a light lingering sourness with a faint wood presence.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. The beer is lightly sour, but not acidic.

O: Interesting spin on an Oud Bruin. The aroma even with the addition of Montmorency cherries does not achieve a pronounced estery aroma. The flavor however does come together as an Oud Bruin with the mallt providing lots of malt with some sweetness with the cherries and sourness nicely offsetting.

Apr 30, 2016
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trevorpost from Massachusetts

3.62/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Kind of murky looking reddish plum sort of color. Very little head retention.
Brown sugar and oak on the nose, slight vinegar note as well. Not hugely aromatic.
Taste is raisin, oaky tannins, red wine. Cherry is present but not overwhelming. Relatively mild tartness, with a slightly vinegary finish.
Feels strangely sweet and simultaneously thin. Sweetness makes this feel bigger than 5%, and I don't mean that in a particularly complimentary way.
I imagine they were going for something like a Flanders Red, but the end result is a bit lacking in comparison to the real thing. Ends up feeling like a watered down Rodenbach. Not terrible, but not particularly rewarding.

Apr 18, 2016
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shleepy from California

4/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Minimal head. Red-brown color. Sour fruit smell and taste. Not extremely sour, but very balanced. Tasty, and would buy again (for a reasonable price).

Apr 12, 2016
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cjgiant from District of Columbia

3.79/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A muddying red to brown with a medium level of cloudiness. Decent head on pour, with a nice rim while drinking.

Nose is more tart green apple and sour nectarines or peaches to me. not really getting any cherry-specific notes. There is also an undercurrent of general regular fruit to cut the tartness of the nose a tad. A light wooden note comes out late in the pour.

A little surprise that the opening tastes are more sour than expected. The more regular fruit notes are gone, and just a pop of sour with a rush of carbonation. The feel reminds me of a grapefruit soda, though the taste is lacking almost any sugary notes. The burst of tart apple and sour nectarine is nice and not overpowering, but does drop pretty quickly after the initial rush. There is a lingering amount of fruit tartness that carries me to the end of the sip. This is nice, but the dominant the mid to late flavor and feel are a bit bland. Quite earthy to me, this taste and difference in feel from the carbonation burst up front give the impression of a bland beer.

Warmth does help the lingering tartness gain a little strength in the later tastes. A nice beer, but I think it's just missing a little bit of something in the mid to longer taste to transition or complete the full beer.

Apr 10, 2016
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VetsPackage from Massachusetts

2.62/5  rDev -33.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 2.75

Can't wrap my head around the reviews of 4+ on this one, Grimm missed the mark big time. The closest thing this comes to resembling is an oude bruin and a poor one at that. Sourness is minimal, the cherries contribute little else but some sweetness, and the nose is seems way off. Was finally happy to see a Grimm sour hit some shelves in my area, just disappointed this one had to be my maiden voyage. I'll stick to their hops

Apr 08, 2016
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Pahn from New York

4.21/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Mini review: It's no Red Poppy, but it's nice and tart, good sour cherry flavor comes through, easy to drink the whole bottle. In other words, not aggressively acidic, not too sweet (a lot of the "sour Flanders reds" wannabes can be a bit sickly sugary for my liking--this is not at all). Solid beer in a difficult but high heights style.

Apr 01, 2016
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imonhiatus from New Jersey

4.43/5  rDev +12.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

picked this one up last month when it was on shelves. enjoyed from the Grimm bulb...deep burgandy...nose is delightfully cherry. taste follows suit. really impressive cherry brew. well lambicy

Mar 27, 2016
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JerzDevl2000 from New Jersey

3.9/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up in New York a few weeks back having searched long and hard for it. Like most Grimm Ales, this didn't stay on the shelf long nor did it say in my basement for long either. While tasty, well-crafted, and easy on the alcohol, I didn't notice the wood like so many other reviewers on here as well. While categorically this was an American Wild Ale, this came across more as a Sour or a Lambic because of the flavor profile.

Liked the pour to this, as the beer had a ruddy brown hue and light head that was more the lively if not large. Very tart cherry in the nose with some acetic or lactic acid to back it up, with even more in the nose. Lots of sour in the taste with only the wood coming in softly in the back. Just enough carbonation here with some more sour cherry, raspberry, and apple in the back. Light malt that was relatively basic but not filling while the Brett yeast made itself known throughout.

While not strong, this felt it because of how well the alcohol complemented the fruit flavors. Wild ales tend to be "funky" in so many ways and this wasn't an exception to that but there was just a bit too much vinegar-like acid to keep this from being truly great. Fans of Grimm will like this but after all of the hype, I was expecting just a bit more out of this!

Mar 24, 2016
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dd43 from Connecticut

4.05/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a really nice barrel aged sour red ale. I just wish the oak character was a little more pronounced. The tartness of the cherries is sharp and really pleasing. Big fan of the cloudy appearance, I guess I'm a sucker for that north east thing when it comes to not filtering the hell out of beer. Presents well in a wine glass, serve it to people who prefer wine to beer and see what they think. Might snag a few converts.

Appearance wise besides the cloudy aspect the head is not very pronounced. I even turned the bottle over a few times before pouring to release some of the sediment in the bottom of the bottle. Whether it's yeast or mash particulate, I want some of that in suspension thank you very much. If I had not been told it was aged on oak, I might not have even guessed that was part of the equation. It has a very slight woody smell, but none of that vinous character I sort of associate with it. Maybe I should readjust my expectations for beer aged on wood.

Mostly what I like about this beer is the sour quality is really well done. It's more pronounced than some of the extremely mild tart beers that are being produced now, and it doesn't have any of the butyric acid that has invaded the landscape in some of the kettle sour beers that are being made these days. It hits the goldilocks zone of not too puckering, but not too mild either. Thank you Grimm Artisanal!

Mar 20, 2016
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FriedSlug from North Carolina

4.25/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Kinda reddish, brown, orange color. Slightly off white head leaves moderate spotty lacing. Smells of oak and cherries with a hint of the sourness. The taste is a really nice tart cherry taste with a touch of oak at the end. There is a really nice sweetness at the end. This is a really nice beer.

Mar 18, 2016
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Immortale25 from North Carolina

3.75/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured into a Delirium Tremens snifter. Label says Released February 2016.

A- Pours a reddish light brown color with a 1/4 inch tan head that retains a bit before becoming a thin ring around the edge of the glass and a swirl pattern of sheer surface foam. Semi-resilient lacing leaves tiny clots behind.

S- Lactic acid aroma makes me salivate. Pretty one-note though.

T- Moderate tartness with some mild cherry sweetness. Like the aroma, not very complex, just some lactic acid and light fruitiness.

M- Dry with a good bit of acidity. Medium carbonation and a body leaning toward the fuller side.

O- Probably the most underwhelming sour I've had from Grimm thus far. The hype train is heavy for these guys but they don't always deliver.

Mar 01, 2016
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Flounder57 from Massachusetts

4/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz bottle was poured into two snifter and shared with a buddy.

Appearance: A minimal head was poured that reduced to a thin layer. It is a hazy amber brown color with no vision of anything.

Smell: Tart and sweet cherries followed by wheaty and pale malts.

Taste: Cherries add dome tart and sweetness to the beers with chewy, bready, and pale malts in the rear.

Mouthfeel: Light, tart, pucker, chewy, and medium carbonation.

Overall: A nice tart cherry ale almost similar to a Flemish Red.

Feb 29, 2016
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ONUMello from Ohio

4.11/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

On tap
A: Hazy light brown with a one finger head that quickly settles
S: Sour cherry, some light malt & a hint of brown sugar
T: Fresh sour cherry, light malt backbone then back to cherry on the finish
M: Light-medium bodied with mouthwatering (but not too strong) acidity
O: Fresh & refreshing, quite tasty

Feb 22, 2016
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CNoj012 from New York

4.38/5  rDev +11.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

This beer pours a murky brown with an amber hue. The head is minimal and very fizzy. It fizzes out almost immediately and there is no lacing. Smell is tart cherries, an acidic sourness and for once I actually get the oak. Normally not a flavor I am good at picking up even when I know it's supposed to be there. The taste is so complex and for lack of a better description, straight up bomb! If it were just a little stronger and more sour taste would be a perfect 5. I get tart cherries, red grapes, just a little sweet dark fruitiness mid sip thay I can't quite put my finger on, maybe red plums. Also some acidity, a little funk and a decent amount of sourness. Feel is light, very drinkable and has a dry finish. Overall awesome beer! Reminds me of Lost Abbey Red Poppy, but even better.

Feb 22, 2016
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ManapuaMan from Massachusetts

4.02/5  rDev +2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a glass from a 22oz bottle; released February 2016. Like the label, the pour is beautiful. Murky, Amber brown pour that looks like unfiltered apple cider. Nose is slightly acidic, overripe cherries, cranberries and wood. On a 5-point scale tartness is 3; on a smoothness scale this shit is boss. Tart, crisp and mellow. Great sour that's far from cheek-puckering but very drinkable.

Feb 21, 2016
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GreesyFizeek from New York

3.88/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

On tap at The Tap and Mallet in Rochester, NY.

This one pours a fairly ugly murky brown, with a small head, and no lacing.

Smells like sour apple, apple cider, bready malt, sour cherries, and red wine vinegar.

This is not one of Grimm's best sours, but it's still tasty. It's got an overriding sour apple flavor, with lighter tart cherry, a nice bready malt backbone, and some apple cider as well. There's a bit of vinegary kick which I don't love. The sourness is pretty low.

This is medium bodied, with a lower level of carbonation.

This is not entirely successful, but I still enjoyed drinking it.

Feb 21, 2016
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