New Holland Phi 2004 | New Holland Brewing Company

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New Holland Phi 2004New Holland Phi 2004

Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: European Strong Lager

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.70%

Availability: Fall

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Added by BeerAdvocate on 08-15-2004

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 43 |  Reviews: 40
Reviews by oldcrustacean:
Photo of oldcrustacean
4/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4


Phi pours a dark amber...almost the color of a coca-cola with a thick, creamy head -- fluffy and firm, calm,...maintaining consistency as it comes to equilibrium with the liquid and settles. A thin head remains quickly dissipating in an almost mathmatical pattern, the last of the bubbles finding death in fractal formations.

Scent of a midwinter barelywine. Raisin and fig, mild and pleasent. A perfect harmony of texture and taste, slightly viscous; Goes down smooth with a lingering hint of fusel alochol and coffee.

It's said that each state that carries New Holland will probably only see 100 cases of Phi...and consider yourself lucky if you're one of the few who are able to try it.

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More User Reviews:
Photo of oberon
3.7/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a medium brown with some reddish tint with a fluffy rather large head,big caramel malt aroms up front along with some brown suger and toasted grain,caramel is dominat at first hits the taste buds along with some some deep roasted malt with a strange and annoying cider-like finish really tart and wholly unexpected.I might put in the bock category be it has some because it has some of the bock characteristics,a big flavorful lager with some oddities to it but glad I tried it.

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Photo of rhoadsrage
3.7/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

(Served in a Chalice)

A-coal black with a very thin brownish head that fades quickly. Opaque body that is to dense to see through.

S- scents of coffee or black roast grains and maybe a bit of black strap molasses but no sweetness .

T- a tangy almost cider taste first impression with a sweet light carbonation tang and a roasted black malt aftertaste. Long roasted aftertaste that is very unique.

M- very watery slippery mouthfeel with a bit of astringency in the aftertaste but only in the back of the tongue no real pucker.

D- This is a very unique beer. It taste much different that I would thin a dark colored 9%abv brew would taste. It is very light and refreshing with no hop characteristics or any maltyness besides the dark roast. Its taste is not real complex but the flavors are all very strange. However I find myself reaching for another taste to try and figure out this beer. It is definitely an original recipe and I think it is worth a try.

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Photo of cokes
3.68/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Clear, dark brown. Like cola hinted with a burnt golden orange. The head is a greying tan, and lasts for several moments before fleeing entirely.
Upfront, the nose is full of java and roast. Caramel creeps underneath. As it warms, dry alcohol fumes emit more noticeably.
Begins full of coffee and Black malt harshness. The coffee sensation lingers throughout, and afterward. Sweetness arrives via caramel. Roastness is joined by chocolate and carob hues. Fruitiness too, with burnt green raisins. Molasses later on. There's a well lager briskness to it all. Hopping is leafy, German leaning and mild.
The body is medium. Lowly carbonated and quite drinkable given the weight it carries. The booze quotient is nearly masked in full.
It presents as something akin to a schwarz-bock, inching towards a Baltic Porter. But it's nowhere near as unique or intriging as that sounds.
For something peppered with grandiose claims of "divinity", this is wholly mortal. It's decent and tasty for sure, but lacking the flair that might make this stand out.

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Photo of Gonzoillini
3.25/5  rDev -14.2%

Photo of jackndan
3.63/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

New Holland Phi: It is claimed on the bottle a Divine Beer, and is based on the so-called divine number Phi, which I will not recite here, but it appears that this number can be used to calculate the progression of the whirls in the shell of the chambered nautilus See, you learned something.

As for the beer, poured into a glass, it looks just like Coke, not New Coke, but Classic Coke. It has a dense tan head, that leaves substantial lacing.

The aroma is somewhat cloying, very malty.

The taste is fairly odd. The initial few sips were very much like coffee. As I become used to it, there are definite notes of sweetness, and some raisins. Strange though, it finishes dry, almost evaporating, but several minutes later I can sense bitter chocolate coating my palate. Very warming, clearly, this beer is brewed to have substantial alcohol.

Not a session beer, but it would not be bad on a crisp fall afternoon after raking the leaves.

If I had to call it a style, it is a doublebock.

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Photo of CharlesDarwin
3.85/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 Oz Bottle (At the least an older bottle). Weak bretty nose; sour coconut, lush apple, banana cream and light yuzu zest. Bits of malty sugar. Pours a deep gold, with pale edges and a rocky soap of white. Flavor is generally pretty mild. First, some tart sour Brett lemon juice, then a wash of bland sugar and finally a reminiscence of hops. I don't believe this was intended to be a Brett beer, but me loving accidental Brett beers, this is interesting. It's possible there's a good bit of Lacto in here too and I'm just not picking up on it directly. There is some unsettling melon bitterness in the smack, but it's not terrible. There's really nothing happening behind the Brett, so unique yeast flavors or malt character. Instead, just a plain base of a now dryly, refreshing Brett beer. Higher alcohol makes this unique. Definitely some Asian pear and green tomato further down. A tasty accident. Thanks Sean!

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Photo of nortmand
4.65/5  rDev +22.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Pours Deep reddish black, with a stiff tan foam and a bit of lacing.
Smells very lagerish with dollop of creamy roast chocalety-ness and a noble hint.
Flavor is just plain wow! What style is this exactly? Creamy, dark roasty, sweet and just plain big, this is everything I like about beer, but like nothing I've ever had before.
Smooth and creamy, this beer is good warm, cold in summer, winter, fall and spring.
Excellent, excellent beer that impresses with each sip. Very drinkable, albeit a bit strong.

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Photo of CortexBomb
3.78/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours out a dark, burnt tan colour with a small whitish head, though the head didn't last long. Clings to the sides of the glass upon shifting.

Smell is almost porter like, mainly roast malts, a little more subdued than the porters usually are, but still appealing.

Beginning is a heaping helping of those malts, but then a wonderful...unique hop bitter begins...and a flavour almost like dull limes, that sort of twang background to it I mean...a soft dark fruit character is also present...the finish is mildly sweet, with the rememberence of alcohol via the back of the throat, with a slight warming. Nice.

Mouthfeel is decent, it's not light, but when you start talking 9% I expect oil, and this wasn't up to that standard. Drinkability, a touch above average. For a big beer pretty easy to put down.

Overall, the first New Holland brew that I would actually buy again, and hence recommend. Good stuff.

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Photo of Boilermaker88
3.58/5  rDev -5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Presented in a 12oz bottle provided courtesy of trbeer and poured into a tulip glass. Phi had a uniform dark brown color, finely wrought carbonation, and a creamy light beige head that dissolved down to a modest cap, leaving wispy lace.
Lots of aromas grace the nose. Roasty malt, light dusting of yeast, dark roast coffee, caramel-laden raisins, hint of green apples. Punch in the nose from the alcohol fumes. Complex and sometimes clashing variety of tastes. Darkly rich with java and singed malt flavors morphing to a brisk green grape tartness mixed over caramel-drizzled apples and herbal hops. Moderate yeasty note and vinous alcohol bite. Medium bodied feel with a sizzling dry tartness nipping at the tongue.
Overall, kind of like a quasi-doppelbock with a mild lambic bite. All in all, an interesting brew but one I could take in only small doses.

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Photo of BGsWo22
1.25/5  rDev -67%

Photo of DaveFL1976
3.05/5  rDev -19.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Decent, hazy amber color with a thick off-white head that settles down to a skim in rather short order.
Smell is big. If I had to guess, I would say it was a big Belgian Abbey Ale. It's got that same sweet yet alcoholy, friuty nose to it. Maybe candy sugar.
Taste is, uh... Hmmm.... Smooth at the start, then chemically/harsh/acidic. This doesn't remind me of a Belgium Abbey Ale anymore. But the aftertaste diminishes quickly. I try another sip. Tastes like a Geuze, sort of. Tastes like someone put lemon Smarties in my beer. I'm not sure that I like it.
Mouthfeel is moderate with good carbonation, but I don't think I'll pick up another bottle of this.

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Photo of meathookjones
4.24/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appears an opaque dark brown with a smallish tan head. Some scattered webs of lace but the head disappears pretty quickly. Caramel, coffee and toasted malts are strong. Some dark chocolate scents in the back and a touch of dark fruit. Very interesting and complex aroma here. Taste starts off with caramel malt and a big roastiness. Maybe some coffee and chocolate notes lurking about. Roasted malt after taste that lingers for while finished up the flavor. Fairly thick body with a rich and smooth feel to it. Really great drinkability and it hides the alcohol almost completely. This is one tasty and unique beer I would drink regularly if it was around here. Not sure what style this was at all while I was drinking but I enjoyed every sip. Big thanks to Tikkigodxxx for this great brew.

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Photo of ppoitras
4.12/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle obtained via trade with CRJMellor. Thanks for the opportunity...

Poured into an imperial pint glass, formed a 1/4" tan head over the almost opaque dark caramel brew. Head fades to an uneven layer of bubbles pretty quickly, not unusually for a strong brew, and lacing is average to good. Aroma is dark grains, quickly giving way to strong alcohol notes. Taste is upfront sedate dark malt flavor, quickly overshadowed by dark fruit tanginess, with the slightest alcohol warming at the end, but hardly noticeable. Mouthfeel is superb for the style, and drinkability is excellent as well. Surprisingly smooth and lots of character in this one.

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Photo of granger10
4.13/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a dark reddish black color with a light red color around the edges. Head is solid and thick tan colored.

The aroma has a strong roasty flavor to it.

The flavors started with that roasted espresso intensity but they soon mellow to a caramel and chocolate sweetness at once. There seemed to be a fruity tart hop element and maybe even a floral flavor underneath. The finish has more of that roasty tasty goodness yet there was no bitterness and it wasn't really that acidic in the end. It was a smooth lingering roasty finish.

The body was on the thick side but maybe not thick enough for the all the malty flavors. It was on the sweet side as well with some residual sugars mixing with the drier malts.

Very enjoyable beer here. It could be sessionable except for the high abv, but I wouldn't have realized it unless I knew beforehand. This could be a dopplebock or maybe a porter or maybe even a scotch ale, but I guess I could see it being a euro strong lager. Whatever it was, it was good.

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Photo of SupaCelt
3.7/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Golden honey. Few bubbles. No head. No lace. A fairly unique hue though. Just seems a bit inactive and boring.

Smells of bastardized dark fruits. Sour scents. Some form of toasted component is present. Nothing really provoking. Caramel. Nuts and honey is a stretch, but allowable. Subdued at best. Microbial?

The taste is pleasant. Cider like. Some sour in the finish. Grape-a-dee in the slightest. Plenty of sweet character. Nice actually. Reminds of Rossi Rhine wine at the last gulp. The appearance and smell were less than promotional in this case. I cannot say that there is any facet of this beer that would inspire me to lay into a batch and go to town. It is alright. Not something that would readily induce cravings though. If this were dodgeball, I wouldn't pick this thing first. Unless my other choices were completely ordinary. Catch my drift? Try it. It is not insignificant by any means.

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Photo of shippos
4.33/5  rDev +14.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I think this is courtesy of mentor, but again I cannot recall.

poured witha deep dark ruby red-almost brown witha thick froathy tanish head.
bready and doughy with some dark dried fruit. smooth rich mouthfeel nicely balanced. dark fruits and cherrys and raisins combined with a sugary toffee malt character. hints of a vinious winey character. lots of dark chocolate and fruit with some bitter sweet. dry and dusty in the finish (can't read my notes, i have no idea what the hell I'm talking about there).

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Photo of 99bottles
3.08/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Appearance: Deep brown, might as well call it black body. Completely opaque. Light tan head of an inch has abvove average rentention.

Smell: A malty and dark smell. Strong roasted malt scent, sweet fermented grain, some alcohol.

Taste: Hmmmm. This is a different beer, though not what I might title a "divine" proportion. There are multiple flavors that don't quite fit together as harmoniously as they should. Roasted notes of barley lend an astringent flavor, and equally obvious is the strong breath of alcohol in the finish. Within the body are chocolate notes, sweet malty notes characteristic of a dopplebock, and some bitter qualities which feign the use of a noble hop. This is odd, and notr quite refined enough to be enjoyable. Strong Dark lager? Dopplebock? Dubbel? Porter? Imperial stout? Brown Ale? Whatever. The quantity x plus 1 divided by x equals x. That's Phi, and this is just a strangely average beer.

Mouthfeel: Nothing wrong or right about it. Moderately viscous, but at such a high ABV, it's surprising that it wasn't more cloying.

Drinkability: I didn't like this all that much, and I can't see having another. It was as if the alcohol and the flavor was too much; after one I really didn't want another.

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Photo of lackenhauser
3.7/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured a deep mahogany color.Little carbonation when the bottle was both opened and poured. Slight malt aroma-some bready notes and yeastiness. Big malty flavor. Some treacle flavor. Raisen like-sweet,with a slight dryness in the finish. Decent body though could be fuller. An enjoyable beer. It might be me but I find the New Holland seasonals and special beers have a lot more thought and effort put into them then the regular line. This is worth a try.

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Photo of putnam
3.78/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Cola-colored with a fizzy, sugary foam, the aromas are a beery mix of prunes, cinnamon, milled grain and roots. On the palate it delivers flavors of scorched sugars, porridge and tart, boiled vegetation. Strong like a dubbel. Simple like a doppelbock. Chewy, meaty tannins on the finish. Tastes like canned peanuts.

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Photo of amatuerbeerguy
3.9/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

pours out dark brown, low head retention, due to abv 9. Malty sweetness, some roastiness, caramel prevalent in the aroma. Malt dominate the flavoring when still chilled lending to the roastiness, and caramel, some cherry sneeks in after chill is gone. medium bodied with low to medium carbonation. Nice once in a while drink with the abv being upwards of 8.7-9%, the only reason for the drinkability being 3.5. Although by the style guidelines I am not sure that this beer can be classified as a euro dark lager, abv too high but then again this is the high gravity series.


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Photo of BrewMaster
4/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A note on the package detailed how this is a special edition beer with more ingredients (number and quantity) then some of their regular brews. From a 12 oz bottle the beer poured a burnt amber color into a chalice. The aroma is a dark malt scent with caramel and a slight note of toast. It smells like a brown ale. The flavor is potent with dark malt and alcohol but not offensive. It does not taste like a 9% ABV beer. The ending is sweer and floral in nature. I paired this beer with some Belgian milk chocolate and it made an excellent combination.

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Photo of Wildman
3.86/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Another odd creation from the folks of New Holland. This beer poured a very dark, almost black blood amber color. It formed a huge light tan foamy head that slowly subsided and left circular lace. A heavy amount of carbonation is present. An aroma of malt, coffee, burnt chocolate and a hint of the alcohol is present. A flavor of malt, coffee and a touch of chocolate. The body is fairly light and finish bittersweet with a warming aspect of the alcohol present. I am not sure what this beer is trying to be, but seems to come across as a light porter with a high alcohol content.

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Photo of clvand0
4.48/5  rDev +18.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Pours a dark brown with a very small head that doesn't stick around. The aroma is full of malts with some alcohol kicking in. Slight aroma of smoked and/or roasted malts. The flavor is nice and roasted. Very odd, but also very good. Not what I expected from a lager - more like a well made high gravity ale. Very smooth and malty - some smokiness in there. Well balanced. Very tasty beer and a wonderful lager! I'll have this one again.

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Photo of BeerBuilder
4.12/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours to a brownish-copper color with a creamy tan head. Leaves a nice amount of lacing. The aroma is malty and chocolatey, with a roasty characteristic. Smells like a robust porter. Reminds me of Summit's Great Northern Porter. The flavor is roasty and chocolatey, with souring quality kinda like Bell's yeast. It is medium in body and not too bad. A drinkable brew.

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New Holland Phi 2004 from New Holland Brewing Company
Beer rating: 3.79 out of 5 with 43 ratings