Brewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat Ale | Boston Beer Company (Samuel Adams)

Brewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat AleBrewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat Ale
188 Ratings
Brewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat AleBrewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat Ale

Brewed by:
Boston Beer Company (Samuel Adams)
Massachusetts, United States

Style: American Dark Wheat Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): not listed

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
Brewed with hand-smoked malt from red and white oak from a forest in Orange County, VA, on land once owned by James Madison.

Added by Todd on 06-03-2006

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 188 |  Reviews: 169
Photo of UncleJon206
1/5  rDev -71.8%

Photo of shbobdb
1.4/5  rDev -60.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 1 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1

The beer poured a rich amber with a HUGE off-white head that lingered and lingered and then poofed into nothingness all too suddenly. It looked pretty good.

Then I smell it. American Maco lager? What? I was expecting . . . something, but instead I get a very faint whiff of adjuncts. That mixes with caramel and a light smokiness.

The taste . . . if this is what our founding fathers had to drink, may God have mercy on their souls. Man. I have nothing constructive to say.

Mouthfeel: Thin. A wheat ought be thick in the way this one isn't.

Drinkability: Why would anyone drink this? Man, if I had to choose between this and Grog (Rum+Water), I'd choose the grog. Man. Dis-gusting.

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Photo of Mitchster
1.98/5  rDev -44.1%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Part of the Patriot 4-pack. Unlisted ABV, 12oz bottle, best before October 2006. Brewed with malted rye, roasted barley, smoked barley, and I assume malted wheat. Pours out to a cloudy dark brown, forming a modest light tan soapy head which quickly recedes, leaving only a speckling of lace. Carbonation is mild to moderate. The aroma is quite average...a bit like a Berghoff dark lager...caramelized sugar, butterscotch in bits, a very faint wisp of smoke, that unrefined yeast odor. Mouthfeel is light bodied and kinda watery, though flavorful. Begins with caramelized sugar, wood, a touch of crackery wheat in the middle, roasted barley cocoa, and some earthy moss in the finish. Herbal bitterness is mild and leaves a mild sweetness in the aftertaste. A touch sour throughout, like sour milk. I'm not getting any smoke at all in taste. A rather neutral (neutered?) yeast with a touch of Ringwood butter.

Overall, a sour milk Berghoff Ringwood without smoke. A very crappy beer. I think most people are giving this higher ratings because it has "Sam Adams" attached to the name and notoriety, but in a blind tasting I think you'll agree it sucks. Gives me a headache.

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Photo of jfcaa193
2/5  rDev -43.5%

Photo of DogFood11
2.31/5  rDev -34.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Decent head and retention on top of a hazey unfiltered type appearance.

Faint grain, and a laid back sweetness, not much complexity to this offering. Lots of wheat, earthiness to it without a counterpower. Towards the finish there is the slightest of smoke coming from the barley but once again its so subtle that this is a rather boring offering.

Really mellow all the way around, which is fine but if your going to be mellow at least be interesting and this one didn't do it for me. I understand these are attempts at being authentic, but if it doesn't taste good to me then it won't score good.

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Photo of dherling
2.46/5  rDev -30.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

I got this as prt of the Patriot collection. This was the most straightforward and dirnable of the bunch, although in a way, sadly, the least interesting. It pours as a nice medium brown beer with good head that has nice retention. The nose is very yeasty which also gives it a little bit of an almost orange like, spicy, citrusy aroma. Mostly, it just smells like bread. There isn't too much going on in my mouth when this one goes down. Some malt, not much bitterness, but pleasent and drinkable. Low carbonation, a little syrupy, and even slightly chunky make this a tough beer to swallow.

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Photo of LPorter33
2.7/5  rDev -23.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

This was the 2nd best of the collection but that isn't saying much. Malty overload with most everything about this beer average although the taste was a bit too sour and knocked it down a notch. I won' t be drinking it again unless it's free. The honey ginger was the only brew in this collection I'd buy again. They should have sold this package in 4 oz vials rather than 12oz bottles.

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Photo of dbalsock
2.72/5  rDev -23.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Appearance: White foamy head on a mehagonay(sp) body. The head was actually quite minimal, despite being poured into a weizen glass... how dissapointing.

Aroma: Wheaty and malted barleyish with a slight rye smell... this is straightforward.

Taste: A conglomerate of malty tastes with none particularly sweet. This gives it a sense of balance, but also makes it kinda bland.

Mouthfeel: Watery and bitter in a bad way. It had a smokey characteristic which could be nice in other brews, but took this one down some more.

Drinkability: I'd call this pretty weak overall, but it wasn't a drain pour.

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Photo of Guinness4me
2.82/5  rDev -20.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Charred caramel color clouded my glass and formed little head and slight lacing.

It smelled of alcohol and raisins with a tart but sweet finish.

The taste was rather bland and had little kick that I expected from the smell. It was watery with little body and had only a hint of the raisin I smelled.

Mouthfeel was average at best and non-offensive.

Unless it had another redeeming quality that made it stand out from the crowd, I'll probably not drink it again.

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Photo of bditty187
2.9/5  rDev -18.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

Murky brown in hue with honey influences; the liquid is not attractive. Period. It looks like river water. Beige head, only a half finger of foam graced my presence. Head retention was poor, after a few seconds the bubbles faded to nothing but a thin, soapy collar. There wasn’t enough lacing to make note of it. Overall, the appearance is lackluster.

The nose lacks potency; I am struggling to detect anything beyond notes of chocolate and caramel, messy yeast aromas in the middle and spicy rye at the finish. If the smoked barley was louder this beer might rock! I love the rye finish but everything else is fairly boring. Maybe I should call it restrained? The nose is inviting but its nothing special either.

The palate is completely flat. I taste one thing from start to finish, there is little depth. It is worty malt with trace chocolate and caramel notes with a spicy rye underbelly. It gets out of the gate slow, never gains much speed, and peters out quickly at the finish. There is minimal aftertaste. To me, this beer seems unfinished or at best, underdeveloped. With that said, this beer doesn’t taste bad; it just feels broken or empty. Yawn.

Light in body, low carbonation creates an unfulfilling, poor mouthfeel (and I am not even going to compare it to other wheat beers).

Generally speaking, this is not a bad beer. The nose is kind of quite and the palate lacks depth and complexity but even with these warts I can’t really knock this beer. It is okay. Nothing more, nothing less… it isn’t anything I need to drink again. Still, I am so happy a brewery like BBC would create something like this. Thank you jwc215 for the bottle!

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Photo of lackenhauser
2.91/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Very cloudy, amber/orange sort of color. No real aroma-sort of a spicy, citrus smell to it but very low key-almost not even there. Malty enough flavor-rather crisp and dry. Very one dimensional-its just "there". Reminds me of a low grade Fat Tire amber. Ok mouthfeel. Nothing really stands out here to call it a wheat beer or even a beer.

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Photo of Westsidethreat
2.91/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: You can say a lot of things about Sam Adams, but one thing they are is masters of carbonation. This is a real cool looking a murky caramel/brown sugar color with a nice mashed potato like head. Lots of little streams forming from the bottom of the glass.

S: Toasted eggo, minor cafe mocha, cashews and a bit of soap.

T: Subtle caramel, toasted nuts and some brown sugar. Just a bit of smokiness under the surface. Finishes very grainy with more caramel. Pretty much subdued and sort of watery.

M: Medium body with a full

D: Booooring. Not a bad beer but nothing worth seeking out.

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Photo of hgrong
2.92/5  rDev -17.5%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

This stuff looks like dirty dishwater. It looks nasty, muddy and rusted. The nose is almost nonexistent. I shoved my nose into the glass as far as I could and I could barely get anything. If anything I was able to pick up notes of yeasty rye bread. The palate is thin and a little watery. Hints of rye and yeast with almost no hop presence. Not offensive, which is saying something in this four-pack. The beer is definately drinkable, but I would not say that it is delicious by any means.

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Photo of palliko
2.95/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Appearance is a dark brown with a hint of copper, topped with a creamy head. Aroma is sweet malt. Initial taste has some fruit (apple and citrus), malt and not much hops. Not much carbonation, a thin middle, marked by a hint of roasted grain, some esters, and a harsh, bitter aftertaste at the finish.

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Photo of beerphilosopher
2.96/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Another selection from the Brewer Patriot collection ... Pours a hazy dark amber color with a shallow off-white head and some lacing. Nose is not pleasant to me ... wheat malts, and slightly smoky. Maybe a burnt element I don't like. Palate is better than the nose lets on ... roasted malts, chocolate, and toffee. Almost porter-like in a way. Mouthfeel is light and has a light and dry finish. Drinkability ... okay, I guess. I really didn't care for this one. To me, it suffers froma bit of an identity crisis. Not really a wheat beer, not a porter ... I don't know. It's okay.

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Photo of BeerSox
2.99/5  rDev -15.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

12oz bottle into pint glass.

Cloudy dark amber with a red tint. An off-white fizzy head forms, but lasts for less than a minute. Spotty lacing.

Light wheat aromas with a little bit of smokiness.

Thin bodied with a smokey malt flavor and very little hop bitterness toward the end. The carbonation gives it a sharp feel on the tongue. The finish has a little bit of smoke in it, along with some of the hop bitterness. A little bit of a metallic taste lingers.

Hints of smoke and dark wheat malt. Seems like the flavors are a bit low. It's a decent beer, just not good enough to get any praises.

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Photo of ms11781
3/5  rDev -15.3%

Photo of GClarkage
3/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

07/09/06- Purcahsed as part of a SE Patriot 4-pk, purchased at Bevmo in San Mateo, CA.

Presentation- 12oz bottle, best by date printed on box and the label. Poured into my Sebastopol Brewing pint glass.

Appearance- A dark amber pour, very clouded. 1/4 inch head with light spots of lace.

Smell- Very weakly scented. A bit like a wet dog. Actually has some porter scents rather than wheat. There is a bit of wheat, but it's pronounced with a light chocolate and toffee scent mixed in with some light malt scent as well.

Taste- Definite wheat flavoring. A bit cardboardy in flavor. Some spices tossed in, a bit of toffee-chocolate and maybe a touch of hops in the finish.

Mouthfeel- Pretty dry in the finish and aftertaste. Fairly brisk carbonation level.

Drinkability- Haven't had too many of this style. Not bad, but not really good either...just there basically. There are better ones out there.

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Photo of Dogbrick
3/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This brew is a murky reddish-brown color with a medium rocky beige head with good retention. Thin rings of lacing. The aroma is lightly malty and nutty. Medium-bodied with a disappointingly bland caramel and malt flavor, along with a touch of earthy character. The finish is roasty with a lightly bitter aftertaste. All in all the beer is pretty unmemorable.

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Photo of beertardis
3/5  rDev -15.3%

Photo of jdhilt
3.03/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Pours a four finger light tan head that fades to a ring leaving some lace. Cloudy amber color. Light carbonation and light bodied. Wheat/malty nose. Flavor has sweetness from the malt and there is wheat and yeast coming through as well. $9.99 - 4-pak, 12oz bottle from Shaw's Supermarket Concord, NH.

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Photo of ndekke39
3.03/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Drank from a 12 oz. bottle boasting an October 2006 best-by date. Served in a standard pint glass. Poured a heavily cloudy honey brown. Small white head that dissipated quickly. Hints of lacing on the glass. Smells of dark wheat (surprise), caramel, molasses, hints of citrus and floral notes. Very earthy - almost dirty - quality to the smell. Taste is earthy, too. Touch of darkened malt, an acidic sourness, very buttery at the end, especially as the beer returned to room temperature. My wife described the flavor as "chewing hair," I believe. Mouthfeel begins with a bright fizz at the front of the tongue, then feels watery and almost oily (paired with the buttery flavors). This beer seems good for its historic recipe and malt; while the flavors are definitely interesting and even enjoyable, the overall character is a little too dark and earthy to make me want another one of these. Still, good to see Sam Adams trying these recipes.

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Photo of Wildman
3.03/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This beer poured a very murky brown color and formed a nice foamy white head, that disappeared quickly and left little lace. An aroma of toffee, malt and some spices. The flavor was of toffee, slight hint of cocoa. The body was light and the finish was a touch spirte. Another novelty beer that is alright, but not something that I would rush out to have.

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Photo of budgood1
3.03/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

pours out an incredibly cloudy dark amber colour....hard to describe because i've never seen a beer close to this appearance. big white frothy head leaves big rings of lace. light aroma of wheat malts and caramel apples. i even get some corn on the nose...hmmm. it's sweet on the tongue...a touch spicy but i was expecting more from the use of rye, wheat and smoked barley. i sense a bit of alcohol, too. actually, it all melds quite well together in a nicely balanced brew. there is even a nice floral hoppiness that adds to the profile. the body is above average, making for a sticky sweet mouthfeel. drinkability is ok. this is a sweet beer and as it warms i get lots of corn notes.

another nice beer, and i'm sure in colonial times they would have slugged this down without thinking about it.

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Photo of mat5175
3.08/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

This pours a decent head that doesn't last all that long, but leaves a pretty nice lace. This is a very cloudy brown; a traditional unfiltered haze.

The nose is sublte, but very nice. A bready, rich smell with a little tang. Very nice.

This isn't anything special on the tongue. Not particularly silky, but it has a nice lively carbonation.

This is much lighter in flavor than i expected. The dark cloudy color made me anticipate a darker flabor, but that isn't the case here. Pleasing typical wheat beer flavor. Nice but really nothing special.

i did enjoy drinking this, but the light flavor belied the alcohol contnet which seemd to me a little higher than average. Good beer, but way harder to come by than it's worth.

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Brewer Patriot Collection - James Madison Dark Wheat Ale from Boston Beer Company (Samuel Adams)
Beer rating: 3.54 out of 5 with 188 ratings
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