Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) | De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)

Brewed by:
De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

Style: Belgian Dark Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.50%

Availability: Rotating

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Added by memyselfandi on 08-01-2009

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 165 |  Reviews: 132
Photo of Sammy
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle at Cole's. a unique experience. Thae aroma is oregeno and Balsamic vinegar and other salad oil, pleasant really. Dark brown, with a white head, that becomes lighter in brown through the bottle. The taste of chocolate malt, yes gooseberries and understated cherry as in Choocolate bars. Much lace, poetic combinations of it. Some interesting sweetness. Smooth. Incredible balance for it all.

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Photo of acurtis
3.25/5  rDev -17.9%

Photo of Knapp85
3.8/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured as a nice reddish brown color with a light tan colored head that fades pretty quickly. The smell of this beer is a little sour on the nose but has other sweet malt aromas in there to kind of balance it out. It definitely smells like a sour brown ale though. The taste of the beer has a nice minimal tart cherry flavor upfront that softens out into a sweet nutty brown ale flavor in the aftertaste. It's got some nice transition to it for sure. The mouthfeel is slick, bubbly and dry. Overall it's a pretty good brew I think and worth trying.

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Photo of t0rin0
4.25/5  rDev +7.3%

Photo of metter98
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: The beer is very dark reddish brown (close to near black) in color. It poured with a short tan head that died down but never completely faded away.
S: There are moderately strong aromas of chocolate malts and cherries in the nose.
T: The taste is similar to the smell and also has some hints of roasted malts and sourness. No bitterness is detectable.
M:It feels light- to medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This is a beer that is both very flavorful and drinkable. It is remiss cent of a light stout.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.1/5  rDev -21.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

1 pint 9.4 fl oz brown glass bottle with hood and wire cap over a cork served into a Guinness goblet in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are very high; I think this is my first beer from Bell's Brewery. Cork is labelled "Bell 01". No best before date is visible. A so called "mash-up" of a porter and dubbel according to the label.

Served refrigerator cold and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a half finger head of nice cream, decent thickness, and average retention considering the ABV. Colour is a weak light solid black. No yeast particles are visible due to its opaque nontransparency.

Sm: Very yeasty, with sour cherry, bacteria, cream, hints of porter-esque chocolate, and subtle fruit esters: grapefruit and apple (of all things). A moderate strength aroma. Complex, but strange. I wouldn't call it appealing or unappealing.

T: Some sour cherry and yeast are the first things I notice. The portery notes - weak chocolate and cream - collide with the rest of the beer, unsettling the balance. I like the cherry. The hop fruit esters hardly come through at all even when I search for them. Some candied sugar. Biscuity malt. Dark malts. The cherry juice on the finish is nice. A strange taste all around. Full bodied. No alcohol comes through. It's pleasant but far from refreshing. I like it, but I'm not looking forward to downing a whole bottle of it. It isn't unique or special.

Mf: Some cream. Smooth and wet. Too thick. Adequately carbonated. Suits the flavours decently.

Dr: Drinkable to an extent - you wouldn't want a full bottle to yourself because it's neither particularly high in quality nor particularly refreshing. I like that they're experimenting, but this needs work. I wouldn't recommend this to friends, nor would I get it again. Extremely pricey for the limited quality. Hides it ABV well. A disappointment coming from brewers that are so respected. I hope Bell's other offerings are better.

Gets a bit better as it warms.

Drank fine out of me goblet. Perhaps a tulip or snifter is best.

I guess it'd age okay. It's not at a good starting point as is.


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Photo of emerge077
3.93/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Sustained pop, tried to get the cork to fly, nothing more than a couple feet though. Open bottle had a musty leather aroma with a distinct cherry note.

Amazingly dense ruffled tan foam. Hangs around, leaving globs all around the edges. Body is black with a mahoghany glint.

Faint roast and coffee notes linger in the aftertaste. Cherry tartness in the beginning, all natural from the fruit. Well integrated, supple and mellow. Tasty with a nice lingering black cherry porter impression. Recommend splitting a bottle, but it could be finished solo.

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Photo of superspak
4.2/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750 ml bottle into tulip glass; no bottle dating, but bottled in 2009. Pours fairly pitch black color with a 2 finger dense and fluffy tan head with great retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Nice spotty soapy lacing clings around the glass. Aromas of tart cherry, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, toast, dark bread, molasses, licorice, raisin, prune, fig, light banana, clove, pepper, light smoke/char, and roast/yeast earthiness. Very nice aromas with good balance and complexity of dark/roasted malt, fruity/spicy yeast, and cherry juice notes; with good strength. Taste of lightly tart cherry, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, toast, dark bread, molasses, licorice, raisin, prune, fig, light banana, clove, pepper, light smoke/char, and roast/yeast earthiness on the finish. Fair amount of yeast spiciness and roasted bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, toast, dark bread, molasses, dark fruit, clove, pepper, light smoke/char, and roast/yeast earthiness on the finish for a while. Incredible complexity and robustness of dark/roasted malt, fruity/spicy yeast, and light-moderate cherry juice flavors; with a great malt/yeast balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium-high carbonation and medium bodied; with a very smooth, moderately creamy, and lightly chalky/bready mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with zero warming presence after the finish. Overall this is an awesome Belgian strong dark ale/porter style! All around great complexity, robustness, and balance of dark/roasted malt, fruity/spicy yeast, and light-moderate cherry juice flavors; and very smooth to drink for the ABV. A highly enjoyable offering.

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Photo of brentk56
3.95/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: The coffee colored liquid is topped by a massive beige head that leaves sheets of lacing behind

Smell: Chocolate-covered tart cherries, with a woody, musty character

Taste: Chocolate and brown bread, up front, with a developing sour cherry character that arrives by mid-palate; additional vinous fruit flavors add complexity, after the swallow, providing a plummy aspect

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation; somewhat flabby

Overall: For all of the elements that are in this beer, the Brett doesn't provide the anticipated sourness (particularly after some time spent in the cellar) nor do the Nelson Sauvin hops do much (although perhaps some of the vinous character is due to their inclusion); though I expected much more, it still is a decent and interesting brew

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Photo of SocalKicks
3.75/5  rDev -5.3%

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4/5  rDev +1%

Photo of Thorpe429
4.1/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Reviewed from notes. Picked up at Rick's in Alexandria.

Pours a fairly-dark brown color with perhaps a bit of crimson in there. The head is tan with some fairly good retention and lace. The nose is attractive, with some nice notes of dark fruits, darker malt, cherries, and a bit of yeast. The taste is similar and melds everything together quite well. Good feel and body; this is much better than the other collaboration versions that I've encountered.

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Photo of smcolw
3.64/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A beautiful pour of a brown colored beer. Lasting head which leaves good lace.

Barnyard aromas with a distinctly undesirable smell of urine. I found it very distracting. Two others at the bar didn't notice it.

Envision a dry Stout blended with a Framboise. While there is plenty of burnt toast and dark unmalted barley. Lots of raspberry flavor with enough sourness to make it interestingly complicated. Moderate body and carbonation.

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Photo of wethorseblanket
3.98/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.08/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Chestnut with ruby and gold accents along the bottom edge of the glass and a massively creamy (later rocky) crown of khaki colored froth filling the upper two-thirds of the glass. This American-Belgian hybrid has a head that is 100% Belgian. Gorgeous sheets of sticky lace are icing on the cake.

One doesn't often see Brettanomyces used in dark beer. It works, though, because the farmyard funk isn't so powerful that it covers up the roasted-chocolate malt or the sour cherry juice. It's a great balancing act so far. Let's see if it holds on the palate.

The brewers (John Mallett of Bell's and Dirk Naudts of de Proef Brouwerij) consider Van Twee 'a mashup of the porter and dubbel styles'. Looks like we have to toss wild ale in there as well. I think it tastes like a cherry porter with a moderate Brett influence. It doesn't have the dark fruitiness or the Belgian yeast esteriness to be dubbel-like.

The ingredients include sour cherry juice and sugar beets from Michigan, Nelson Sauvin hops from New Zealand, and dark candi sugar and Brett from Belgium. The first and last of those are the only ones that are appreciated. Sweet-bitter-tart are balanced on a razor's edge, which keeps palate fatigue to a minimum and enhances drinkability.

Although the appearance is classic Belgian ale, the mouthfeel is not. It's thinner than it should be and lacks the luscious creaminess that was expected. Laid back bubbles are preferable to overcarbonation, which often happens with bottle-conditioned beer.

Van Twee (For Two) Belgian Ale is a well-crafted brew that is unlike anything I've ever tasted. It didn't blow me away, but it was well worth the purchase price. If you're lucky enough to run across a bottle, it's still a damn good drinker if you're fond of fruity funky dark ales.

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Photo of mikesgroove
3.91/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Been dying to try this one for a while now and finally got the chance to last night. Opened up the bottle to be able to sit and enjoy TV with. This one was consumed on 02/24/2010.

The pour was phenomenal. Rich dark garnet in color with a huge, towering head of tan that literally just would not quit. Insane lacing then proceeds to thicken up and layer up and down the entire inside of the glass. Huge head, maybe three inches in height just would not quit and even ten minutes in this still looked like a monster of epic proportions. Aroma was a bit of a let down for me as it just didn't to have nearly the intense nature I was hoping for. Dark fruits, cherries, figs, a hint of a dark yeast strain and a touch of grain all combine to form a well rounded, albeit not as intense a profile. Warming brought a touch of tart out of it, but again nothing really coming across to me as being especially intense. Flavor was very nice for a strong Belgian. Nice use of malts, dark, foreboding taste, dark cherries, prunes, hints of figs and a nice and well rounded flavor. Slight drying, and slight tartness on the tongue on the finish and the medium to full body really seemed to fit in quite well. Not a hint of the abv showing and this made for a very enjoyable experience. 

Overall very solid, though not as good as some of the others in the series I still think it worked quite well. Not as tart and full of cherries as I would have hoped, but I think it worked for the style.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.98/5  rDev -24.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

A dark amber color with a little extra dose of brown. Sort of oxidized at this point, but nice cherry and caramel aromas. A bit of brown sugar and toffee, maybe a slight roast. Too much cardboard for my tastes, though. The flavor is similarly old and oxidized. Prunes, plums, and cherries give a decent fruit character and there is a lot of sugary sweetness to it as well. Still can’t quite escape the cardboard.

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Photo of TMoney2591
4.08/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Served in a Sloeber tulip glass.

Pours an opaque cappuccino, nearly black, with a lovely finger or two of beige head that laces fairly nicely. The smell is unique, with a surprising amount of roast, some wood, some coffee, and, of course, some cherry, which also lends a secondary bit of tart. The taste has elements of dark malts, plums, figs, and a tinge of roasted wood, all the while running a strain of sour cherry beneath it all. The aftertaste holds a bit of that hardy coffee from the nose, while still maintaining that tart cherry as well, the latter lingering longer than the former. The body is not too heavy and everything runs smoothly, allowing this brew to keep a decent drinkability, though it seems to be more of a sipper than a true drinker.

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Photo of InspectorBob
4/5  rDev +1%

Photo of imperialking
3.75/5  rDev -5.3%

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4/5  rDev +1%

Photo of LiquidAmber
3.62/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from 9/2010 notes. Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark, dark red amber with a slight tan head and lacing. Aroma of cherries and spice with a bit of sour. Starts with light cherry sour, light malt, a moderate vinous flavor that carries through to a somewhat cherry sour, smooth finish. A somewhat astringent bitterness at the finish. Complex and well integrated, with a distinct wine-like component. Faint brett flavor that is satisfactory, but reasserts itself on warming. Moderate body. Nicely made, but finish isn't all that attractive to me. Pricey too.

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Photo of MasterSki
3.73/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to bkrefetz for sending a bottle of this my way. Served (appropriately) in a Bell's tulip.

A - Huge foam on this brew - three-plus fingers that dissipates slowly and leaves tons of patchy lacing. Dark brown opaque color. Good looking stuff.

S - Sour cherries, funky horse blanket, roastiness, a touch of cocoa, maybe a bit of lemon. Really odd combination of aromas, and I'm not entirely sure they work together. Still, it's potent and interesting.

T - The taste starts out pretty good, with milk chocolate and cherry flavors, but the finish is a weird plastic and metallic flavor that lingers before dissipating to some bretty funkiness. If it didn't have that weird finish it'd be pretty good, but that plastic flavor is very distracting. Well-hidden booze.

M - Medium-thick body, moderate carbonation, smooth velvety texture, dry finish. I'm not getting overcarbonated like some other reviewers, but it's nothing special either.

D - I found 8oz of this one to be sufficient. It's an interesting experiment, but that weird taste in the finish is so irritating that it ruins an otherwise solid brew. I like this more than the Tomme Arthur collaboration, but not as much as the Jason Perkins.

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Photo of tempest
3.73/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On-tap at the Farmhouse in Emmaus PA. Overall, this is an interesting and tasty Belgian, but it's not Proef's best brewing. It's a mix of dark bread crust, sweet cherries, and cocoa powder, but in a world of great Belgians, it's a touch flat. The body is smooth and drinkable, just a little on the thick side.

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Photo of afsdan
4.25/5  rDev +7.3%

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