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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) | De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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3.96/5
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165 Ratings
Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
Belgium
proefbrouwerij.com

Style: Belgian Dark Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by memyselfandi on 08-01-2009

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#6,262
Reviews:
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pDev:
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Photo of beerandcycling88
3.95/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Review number 100
Poured from a 750 ml bottle into a snifter.

A Pours a dark brown color with a tan head that has excellent retention. This is a nice looking one.

S Complex nose, there is a strong sour cherry note upfront with a funky barnyard brett undertone. Also a hint of malty chocolate. Pretty good nose.

T There is a lot going on here with some sour cherry, followed by funky brett, then chocolate followed by a lingering sourness. Very interesting and quite tasty. A little surprised that the brett is so mild.

M Creamy mouthfeel with good carbonation.

Overall this is a weird but very good beer that dispite all the extreme elements in it is quite mild and a pleasure to spend an evening sipping on. if it wasn't so much I would drink this again in a heartbeat.

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Photo of illidurit
3.5/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750 mL bottle shared at the July Santa Cruz tasting. Pours a medium brown color with an ecru head. Aroma of soy, molasses, chalky chocolate, dark fruits. Flavor is cheap chocolate and sweet cherries, light coffee roastiness, low on brett influence, some assorted dark fruit accents, soy sauce. Kind of muddled and sweet. I'd like to revisit this after the brett gets settled in and maybe cleans it up a bit.

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Photo of brentk56
3.95/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: The coffee colored liquid is topped by a massive beige head that leaves sheets of lacing behind

Smell: Chocolate-covered tart cherries, with a woody, musty character

Taste: Chocolate and brown bread, up front, with a developing sour cherry character that arrives by mid-palate; additional vinous fruit flavors add complexity, after the swallow, providing a plummy aspect

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation; somewhat flabby

Overall: For all of the elements that are in this beer, the Brett doesn't provide the anticipated sourness (particularly after some time spent in the cellar) nor do the Nelson Sauvin hops do much (although perhaps some of the vinous character is due to their inclusion); though I expected much more, it still is a decent and interesting brew

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Photo of SpeedwayJim
2.89/5  rDev -27%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Courtesy of BBF 2010. Poured from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into Lost Abbey stemware.

A: Corked ejects with a loud and crisp pop. Standard pour yields a 1 finger dense, fine light mocha head with good retention. Beer is a semi-cloudy, dark, nearly opaque purple. Lacing is thick and patchy with nice cling. A really nice looking beer.

S: Nose reminds me of an infected stout but much less pungent. Sour cherry and smoked fresh plums and prunes. Also a hint of liquorice, clove, and cocoa powder. Some Belgian yeast spiciness in the background imparts a bit of sweetness. Not sure what to think of this really.

T: Opens sour cherry and smoked malt mixed with sour grapes and prunes. Awkward. Tart fruit continues to dominate as some chocolate, spices, and Belgian yeast flavors creep in towards the middle. Flavors integrate a bit better towards the end but a certain strange charred fruit character lingers. End is slightly sour and smoky with a burnt fruit finish and aftertaste. The flavors just don't work for me in this one.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Smooth and silky with some bubbles in the mouth and yeasty and moderately lively going down. Finish is messy with a sticky, lingering aftertaste. Pretty standard overall though I'd expect a touch more carbonation from the style.

O: I can see where the brewers were going with this creation but the flavors just don't work for me. The sourness is a nice touch but it doesn't complement the Belgian fruitiness well here and the smokiness that I get is a bit weird. An interesting beer overall but not one I'd revisit.

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Photo of SkeeterHawk
4.1/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Even though there was practically zero off-gas after pulling the plastic cork, the beer poured with a huge 3+ finger head that grew after the pour. The beer itself is as dark as can be, but you can see at the edge of the glass that there are quite a few bubbles rising to keep the head standing strong over 3 inches. The foam is tan and very fluffy looking. Even 5 minutes after the pour, the head is barely starting to fall.

Aroma: I could pick up the cherries just from pouring the beer. The aroma is beautifully complex and reminds me of a Flanders Red with cherries and sweet toffee notes to the malt. That is about all I can get through this massive foam.

Taste: The flavor is not as complex as i expected from the aroma, but it is still a very well made beer. The cherries are absolutely unmistakable and they are living with a strong malt bill and very little hops. The cherries are showcased in this beer giving it a dessert-like quality. The finish is a little on the dry side with balance being provided as much by dark malts as any hops. I think that the cherries are adding a dimension of dryness to the finish as well. It also has a bit of an unusual taste left on the lips, like it was barrel aged, but I don't pick up the other supporting flavors to suggest that. The sweetness is what you have to linger in the finish.

Opinion: This is a pretty good beer. I am enjoying it. It doesn't have the complexity I would have liked, but I was expecting something bordering on sour from the aroma. It was a trip how they disconnected. If you throw some vinegar in here, may you can hit Rodenbach. I will absolutely finish the entire bottle, but I doubt that I will be buying this one again in the future. I am glad that I tried it.

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Photo of SolomonGrundy
4.13/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Apparently a collaboration with Bell's, this one is brewed in Belgium by De Proef...

The basics: $14.99/750ml bottle and 7.5% ABV...A touch pricey to be sure...

Still working off of last night's killer Death Angel concert....WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT MOSH AT THE LAST DAY SALOON!!!! It is grounds for immediate dismissal....freaking donks...

Looks great - beautiful head, very creamy and lots of lacing. Nice and dense brown. It's purty...

Nice sour ale components in the nose...Lots of dark stone fruit character: especially, imagine this, CHERRIES!!

Nice and creamy flavor...A very muted leathery, barynard thing...The malt is very forward. Carbonation is cleansing and wipes the palate clean after the initial, very warm malt flavor hits...Finish is super dry and hits home...Very good beer...Track it down...

What I like most: The luscious and warm and rich flavor profile...

What I like least: The price...

Verdict: Very expensive and that keeps it out of the top tier, but excellent and worth tracking down.

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Photo of impending
4.07/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

750ml into a tulip. Pours a deep garnet copper with a towering mocha toned head which recedes leaving excellent lacing.

Aroma begins as a porter of nearly stout proportion coupled with yeasty cherries and bitter sweet chocolate.
intoxicating

Would I say it without a clue, I dunno, but unmistakably a meld of a porter and a dubbel - both can be clearly discerned. The cherries announce at the start of the aftertaste which evolves significantly and is long lived, the bitter sweet chocolate quietly chimes in as well. The sour is tiny as is the brett. At room temp vinous qualities appear. Light bodied mouthfeel.

unusual
cheers
jd

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Photo of HosP
3.72/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

It's Saturday night, what better way to celebrate a Butler NCAA tourny win, then with a beer!! Got in a recent trade with Patchmaster. He always comes up with some good stuff. Thanks man!

A- Pours an almost black, dark dark brown. Nice thick light brown head. Slowly fades as throughout the glass. Lots of sticky lacing.

S- A nice tart cherry aroma right at the start. Very crisp to the nose. Gotta little brett wafting around in there too. Some spices at the end give it a nice finish.

T- So where did all the tart cherries go? Flavor didn't fufill the nose's expectations really. Very subdued flavors here. Slight cherry flavor at first but tartness turns to almost a metallic flavor. Some bitter hops pull the flavor back up a bit. It tails off pretty quick with some sweeter flavors with caramel malts. Wish the flavors would pop out more than they did.

M- Medium body. Good carbonation. Wasn't nearly as heavy as was expecting but still rather refreshing all in all.

D- Very easy to drink beer. Has some good flavors in it, just doesn't pack that punch really. I will still enjoy the beer while watching the games tonight. Thanks again Blair!

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Photo of fear025
3.56/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aroma:Sour cherries and acrid harshness.

Appearance:Brown and opaque. Nice tan head with amazing retention.

Taste:The foretaste of this one is a bright sour cherry flavor. In the midtaste, there are some metallic off flavors. This persists through the aftertaste. After a few sips, this off flavor fades a bit, but not completely.

Mouthfeel:Medium body with lots of sour astringency.

Drinkability:This is a good sour cherry Belgian beer, although I'm not sure spending a year in my cellar improved it at all.

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Photo of burnheartsMKE
4.4/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This guy kept changing as we drank. From nose to mouth to tongue to mid-tongue to back tongue to throat to belly, it just kept evolving. A really creative and well-put-together collaboration between two unique and experimental brewers. Reminded me a little of New Glarus' Unplugged: Olde English Porter if the sourness came from cherries. Chocolate, fruit sours & burnt spices made this something I'd love to meet again.

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Photo of jwinship83
4.12/5  rDev +4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

i found this bottle while going through my cellar not long ago. probably the first lost and found bottle ive ever had. i was excited to pick this up when it first came out, i cant believe i forgot about it. 750ml corked and caged bottle drank from my chimay chalice.

A- this one pours out a cola colored dark brown body with a little bit of ruby red highlights coming through the sides of the glass. there is a full finger of very active khaki colored head on top that is very quick to fizzle away. little to nothing gets left behind as far as lacing goes.

S- the first thing im able to pick out in the nose are brown sugar and sweet caramel malts. after that i get a little bit of chocolate and some faint cherry notes. the cherries seem out of place in a beer like this, but it doesnt strike me as off-putting. light funky notes as well. very different smelling.

T- the taste starts off similar to the nose. i immediately pick up on some brown sugar and sweet caramel malts. maybe a bit of molasses also. there is a light sourness amongst the lightly roasted malts and chocolate in the middle. there is a definite cherry presence in the end. once again, this seems out of place but i find myself enjoying it.

M- light bodied and highly carbonated. no trace of the alcohol. pretty dry finish from the wild bacteria.

D- the cherry juice in here is an odd addition that works very well. maybe it was the year or so in the cellar, but this one came together quite nicely. you can tell that there is american influence on this classic belgian style. a true collaboration. im going to try to dig another one of these uo soon to see how it progresses in the cellar.

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Photo of axeman9182
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

750mL bottle, poured into my Duvel tulip.

Van Twee pours a very deep, rich color. It's almost black, but there's at least a slight suggestion of plum purple. There's about two and a half fingers of frothy khaki foam topping the beer. Lacing and retention are decent, but a bit underwhelming for a Belgian. The nose is pretty solid. Lots of cherries with a sour twang, and a surprisingly mild funky leathery aroma from the brett. There's a lot more to Van Twee though, as sips bring additional notes of milk chocolate and plums. Everything advertised on the bottle really shines through, with the exception of the Nelson Sauvin hops. The body is pretty solid, suitably rich for a dark Belgian ale. The carbonation though is a bit loose and lazy, it lacks definition. It almost leaves the beer feeling too chewy, which seems a bit out of place. All in all though, Van Twee is a very well done amalgamation of a lot of tasty ingredients, and despite the somewhat hefty price tag I'll be tempted to pick up some more bottles.

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Photo of TheKingofWichita
3.3/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Tried at Sexual Chocolate 2011.
Pours a dark brown color with ruby highlights and thin brownish white head and a little lacing. Smells of a ton of tartness and cherry, not much else. Tastes of cherries, belgian yeast, and good hops and malt flavor. Mouthfeel is medium with a little carbonation. Drinkability is low.

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Photo of Urbancaver
3.99/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Opened as part of the Bell's 25th Anniversary Tasting
Reviewed off notes

Appearance- Pours almost maroon with minimal head. a bit of yeast trailing in the bottom of the bottle

Smell- smells of tart cherries. Smells a lot better than a year ago when I first had it

Taste- Cherries, belgian yeast... very odd combination

Mouthfeel- low carbonation, thick and a pretty good feel on the tongue

Drinkability- too much to be very drinkable. The cherries and yeast and other flavours blend fairly well (certainly better than when it was fresh) but overall not one of my favourites

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Photo of PorterLambic
3.68/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours red with very little head. Clear though with a few bits of sediment floating/sitting in it.
Smell is cherry and malt with a slightly sour note.
Taste is sour, tart cherry with a strong malt backbone. Slight hop note.
Tart with a medium/high effervescence. Light/medium body, slightly watery finish. Aftertaste doesn't last very long sadly. A pretty good beer overall.

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Photo of DovaliHops
4.02/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark brown with a medium off-white head that diminishes quickly. Aroma is very unique...unlike any beer I've had before. I get a little bit of funkiness from the Brett with a bit of sour cherry aroma. I also get a lot of chocolate and roasted malts as well. Very delightful and unique aroma. Taste is just as unique. The cherries definitely make themselves noticeable! Not as tart as was expecting and hoping for, but very mellow and well balanced. The sweet cherries blend well with the plentiful chocolate and roasted malts. A bit of "sour grape flavor" at the end, but not sour. The delicious yeasts used in this beer make it one of a kind and extremely complex. Mouthfeel is rich and smooth, but not to thick for this style. Well carbonated with a nice little bite at the end. Drinkability is fairly high for how rich this beer is. Interesting collaboration that is definitely worth trying!

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Photo of sholland119
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Dark brown, opaque, not quite black but not a hint of light shines through. Foamy mocha head has huge retention and sheets of lacing.

S-Slightly sour with a bit of roasted malt lingering in the background. Maybe some dark fruit and a hint of sweetness.

T-I get a hint of sour cherry in the front with some light roastiness. A bit sweet in the very back, almost like a foamy root beer flavor.

M-Light to medium bodied, moderate carbonation.

D-Really tasty and delicious.

HV

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Photo of BretSikkink
4.08/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Dark brown color with a solid cap of tan-brown head. Good sized bubbles, but fairly tight. Nicely done. Brightly fruity and slightly Brett-y on the nose. Good power even with the foam topper. Some chalky malt notes as well for balance.

I'm definitely impressed with the depth and complexity of the flavor as well as the overall balance. On one side are pear and apple notes that are quite prominent and accentuate the lightly musty funk of the Brett. Van Twee also pulls from the dark fruit and candi sugar end of the spectrum, with the dark bitter cherries in prominent placement. I was thinking something was interesting about it in the finish as well, and the prominent notation on the bottle about Nelson Sauvin hops makes sense. Vinous, herbal note that also emerges in the nose as it warms.

Great drinkability, as the body is relatively light and the flavors quite interesting. The mouthfeel could use some work, however, and the creamy factor of the dubbel just isn't there. No big deal, but a little thin. Try this if any of your beer interests are in the crosshairs of this one: big and dark, funky yeasts and fruit juices, American craft and Belgian micro.

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Photo of BeerAdvocate
3.5/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from BeerAdvocate Magazine Issue #34 (Nov 2009):

Hybrid of the Porter and Dubbel styles with sour cherry juice and Brettanomyces added to the secondary fermentation. Funky and extreme!!

Wow, the Porter side made sure this beer was dark. Good lacing all around. Some tart- ness from the cherries and yeast with some charred malt and musty Brett action going on as well. Fluffy crispness, moderately dry body. At first taste, this beer comes off a little brash with a clash of tartness from the cherries and Brett with the roasted grain flavor that wields a dry charred character. Brett comes across with its funk: horse blanket and wet leather, both of which stay mild. Add the cherry juice to the mix, and there is almost a cherry grove note there. The burnt grain flavor lets off a bit ... or at least our palates are be- coming used to the contrast here. Finishes relatively dry with a linger of tartness and char.

Super complex, a slow sipper and something you need to share with a friend or two. A treat bottle, though it would be fun to see how this cellars as well.

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Photo of Thorpe429
4.1/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Reviewed from notes. Picked up at Rick's in Alexandria.

Pours a fairly-dark brown color with perhaps a bit of crimson in there. The head is tan with some fairly good retention and lace. The nose is attractive, with some nice notes of dark fruits, darker malt, cherries, and a bit of yeast. The taste is similar and melds everything together quite well. Good feel and body; this is much better than the other collaboration versions that I've encountered.

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Photo of kiddynamite920
4.47/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a very dark brown with a very nice looking light brown head. Thick and clumpy lacing is beginning early. As the head thins, the lacing thins.

S: Glorious Brett. Super tart cherries with some dark sweet cherries. The Brett keeps the aroma super crisp and citrusy. Some spice of clove and anise. The Michigan cherries really are splendid in this. Funky yeast with tart cherries is certainly a match made in heaven. The funkiness isn't necessarily to the barnyard extent, but it is funky for sure.

T: Was expecting a puckering beer from what I picked up on the aroma. Instead I found not-so-tart cherries, even some dark malts and bitter hops. Citrus and grassiness come from the yeast, followed by some funk and barnyard. There are some caramel notes and a brown sugar type taste. Very complex beer.

M: Great carbonation, body is very delicate yet doesn't fall short. Very crisp and refreshing, was expecting something dark and heavy. Suppose this is a bit off the style that it is categorized as, but cant fault it for that. This beer is fantastic.

D: This beer would go as well with any beer dinner as any of the RR sours. Exceptional beer, and a fantastic collaboration. Thank Jeebus for tart Michigan cherries and fantastic funky yeast. Will definitely be picking up more of this if the opportunity presents itself. The price tag is high, nearing $20 for 750 ml, but it is definitely worth it.

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Photo of wedgie9
4.22/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Tasted from a 750mL bottle at Lush Roscoe. Pours an almost black purple color with a hint of red shining through. The head is slightly off-white, pours thick but then recedes to decent lacing. The nose is cherries and charred meat with brett and milk chocolate. Flavor starts off dusty with the charred meats and brett up front, transitioning into cherries and then a dark roasted malt chocolate finish. The body is somewhat thick and oily with average carbonation and a nice roasted finish with cherries. This beer is very enjoyable and easy to drink.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
4.07/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours very dark brown with a lovely creamy head that sticks around. Very nice aromas of ripe sour cherries, some tangy malt, and some yeasty notes. The taste is a bit more muted, but exhibits some nice, albeit lighter cherry, some bready notes, and a bit of citrus. Starts a little bold in the mouth, but as it opens up, it loses steam and becomes almost watery. It is easy to drink, but it could use a little more concentration of power. This could have been a great beer, but it's merely good.

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Photo of twiggamortis420
4.42/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 mL bottle pours a dark brown color with some ruby highlights. Fairly small, tan foam fades at an average clip and leaves plenty of lacing.

Nose is chocolate covered raisins and cherry yogurt...Interesting...and good. Dont get a whole lot of brett, but still complex with lots of other dark fruits and a touch of bready yeast - almost trappist like.

Mmmm, taste provides many layers to unfold. Lots of tart cherries, dark chocolate and light fruits - maybe even kiwi. I like the fact it is not sweet, dark malts do a nice balancing act with the brett and cherries. Even a little grassy hops poke through at the very end. Drying tartness and acidity leave a lasting impression on the finish. This seems like a bold experiment, but De Proef and Bell's have pulled it off with flying colors here. The ingredients have magically blended together almost perfectly. Even at the steep $18 price tag, I would consider buying this again.

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Photo of emmasdad
3.65/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Finally a Bell's beer available for purchase here in Denver. This one poured out of the corked and caged 750 a nice medium brown color, with a healthy finger of light brown foam. A nice tartness leaps from the glass, a little barnyard funk, sour cherry and light brown sugar. Tasting it, I get more bretty tartness, fresh cherries, vanilla and a little spice.

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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) from De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
Beer rating: 3.96 out of 5 with 165 ratings
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