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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Allagash Brewing Company
Maine, United States
allagash.com

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.90%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
FV 13 marks our first venture into the world of foudre beers. Foudres are giant oak tanks used for aging (this one holds 2700 gallons.) FV 13 is a blend of wild yeast and bacteria, a base beer with lots of malt character, and about four years of patience.

Added by Jason on 01-09-2013

BEER STATS
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114
Ratings:
720
Avg:
4.25
pDev:
9.41%
 
 
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Photo of mdfb79
4.29/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

From EBF notes.

a - Pours a deep reddish-copper color with one inch of off white head and moderate carbonation evident.

s - Smells of sour cherries, tart dark fruits, oak, some vanilla, spice, lactic notes, and some earthy notes. Nice and sour; loving the nose.

t - Taste follows the nose pretty closely; loads of sour cherries, raspberries, and dark fruits, spices, pepper, vanilla, oak, lactic and tannic notes.

m - Medium body and moderate to high carbonation. Easy to drink sour; nice mouthfeel.

o - Overall I loved this one; one of the better sours at the fest. Not the most complex sour and not as funky as some of their other beers, but it's a great fruit forward sour. I love cherries and loved this one; would love to get a bottle of this one.

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Photo of KeatsShelley
4.29/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Served on draft in an large Allagash challice

A: Slightly orange, auburn, a little lacing, quickly dissipating head. not translucent but not completely opaque

S: lots of oak here, and a little bit of funk that's not totally pleasant. otherwise, yeast, sour fruits, lemon, vanilla

T: everything great about the smell and almost no funk makes it to the palate.

M: exactly what you want from this beer. crispness, sweetness, but not cloying. dry finish

O: excellent sour from a great brewer. Not easy to find, so consider trading for it.

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Photo of jrenihan
4.28/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Bottled 11.08.12.

Beer is copper in colour, with a small off-white head. Head gone quickly.

Nose contains oak, and lots of it. A tart funkiness. Green apple, a bit of grass. Nice scent.

Very, very nice flavour. Oak is strong, and there is a moderate tartness. A bit funky, fairly dry. Some fruit: apple, some cherry. All very well balanced and integrated. Yum.

Medium bodied, moderately carbonated, puckery and astringent. Good.

Overall, a really good beer.

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Photo of BEERchitect
4.28/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Somewhat Rodenbach-like in character, this wood-aged sour red ale never shies away from sour cherry flavor, strong acetic flavors or palate-stripping cleanliness to ensure high Belgian character with no apologies.

Cherry-amber in color, it's largely deep copper hue shares gold highlights near the edges. Clear in color, the bright ale releases an off bone-white head that's long-lasting in retention but dons a somber head- passive lacing results in a few trickles here and there along the glass.

Strong acidic aromas are mouth wetting, strongly tart and exhibits notes of cider, red wine vinegar, and black cherries. Highly earthen tones of horse hair, barnyard must. parmesan cheese, fresh cracked black pepper, and cured leather reinforce the savory scents of funk and pungency- but do so in the very best light.

And its those red wine, vinegar acidity and toasted cherries that carry over to the taste. Subtle flavors of caramel, bread crust and tobacco support the sourness just before the cidery, balsamic and oak taste refreshes the palate with a crisp, clean and lightly savory finish.

Medium-dry on the mouth, the beer wisps away with its lightly powdery and arid texture. Equipped with a spicy prickle, the middle palate strips the palate and buffers with a quiver of lingering malt sweetness. A whimsical echo of oak, earth and must returns in aftertaste even before the bone-dry finish concludes.

As a new, somewhat American way to achieve the taste, texture, and aroma of Flanders's Red Ale, much of the same characteristics can be found in this distinctive and exuberant ale.

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Photo of portia99
4.27/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

375ml bottle (bottled 11/29/12) poured into an Allagash stemmed glass.

A - Pours a rich amber color with good clarity. Two fingers of fizzy cream colored head quickly falls off to the surface leaving some crusty and foamy lacing on the glass. Some yeast sediment floats in the body of the beer.

S - Musty, mildly tart, quite yeasty, mild phenolics, lightly woody, fruity with hints of cherries, a touch acetic, hints of red wine, lightly alcoholic. Overall the aroma is a bit subdued in intensity, but quite complex - lots of stuff going on here.

T - Mildly tart but way below the level I expected. Vinegary acetic sourness. Firm malt base with some caramel flavors, some earthiness, woody, a bit nutty. Cherries, red wine, very low funk character.

M - A lightish medium body with a somewhat low carbonation level for the style managing only the faintest of tingle and more of a foamy character. More malty than most wild ales...plenty of earthiness, wood and nuts.

O - Overall an interesting wild ale. A bit different than most wilds out there. Extremely light in funk, sourness/tartness is quite low for style too. Almost a Flanders brown in character. More malt character than most. Interesting interpretation...very nice.

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Photo of Hugonaut13
4.27/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

375ml bottle poured into HF globe

A - Pours a lighter reddish-brown with minimal head, even after a hard pour. Small ring of bubbles remain around the edge of the glass. Leaves a bit of lacing when swirled.

S - Strong scene of oak and cherries on top of oak and cherries. Some plum. A bit of sour funk, but far from strong. Smells tasty.

T - Good mix of sour and tart up front with cherries joining the party in the mid palate. Finishes sweet. Almost refreshing. None of those flavors dominate the palate. As it warmed, more vinegar appeared dropping the score a tad

M - definitely rich mouthfeel for the style. Quite dry. Very smooth.

O - I definitely enjoyed this, but I wouldn't call it complex. Each flavor is very pronounced but blends together well in a harmonious fashion. I would have no problem polishing off a 750ml of this (if they ever made one) by myself. This is a sour that both serves as a great anytime sour and also one which would serve as a great introduction to people new to sours. Well done Allagash.

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Photo of brewandbbq
4.27/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

375ml bottle.

Pours dark amber with an inch of fine, bone head. Retention is admirable for a sour, a full quarter inch foam cap remains for the duration with loads of creamy sheeting.

Aromatics lead off with balsamic-drizzeled apples and lemon-spritzed raisins. Hints of soured fruits and cider vinegar follow through.

Medium bodied with a creamy but crisp mouthfeel. Prickly on the back of the throat.

Bright acid with sour apples and vineous overtones start the palate. Winey, fruity, and sour. Malt to balance with a lingering sourness.

Finishes with a hefty, acidic, sour bite and apple skins.

Very tasty with a perfect and challenging sourness level.

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Photo of jbaker67
4.26/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Pours a clear brown-amber with small head. Aroma is very oaky, cherries and caramel malts. Alcohol is not very perceptible for such a high abv sour, but the strong malt base is certainly distinctive. I’m not surprised about the long oak-aging period as the taste is incredibly woody. Other flavors are coherent with aroma (cherries, caramel) with a decent tart finish.

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Photo of HattedClassic
4.25/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

The beer pours a nice white and semi-creamy head that sticks around a little bit. The beer itself is a nice pale amber color that is clear. It's a pretty good and appealing look for a wild ale and I'm willing to go as far to say that it's one of their nicer looking ones..

The beer smell is wonderful. The beer has a nice and balanced but complex smell. The beer smell contains notes such as a nice wood that combines well with the funk from the brett. The smell also contains a slight sour vinegar note but is hard to detect underneath the other notes. The beer smell is touched by a nice and sweet raspberry jam note at the end. While there is a bitter hop note, it gets lost underneath the stronger lime note. There also seem to be a bunch of other lighter notes that seem to amount to a graham cracker but they aren't very strong.

The taste is a bit different and a lot more simple than the smell. The stronger notes seem to be the funk and the tartness with a slight wood note coming out. In addition, the lime zest note is still there and works well with the other notes. While the other notes aren't as present, the simplicity is still very good.

The feel is pretty good. It's a medium bodied beer that is pretty smooth with some nice carbonation. It has a pretty dry finish to it.

Overall, another really good wild ale from Allagash and worth trying.

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Photo of inlimbo77
4.25/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12.7 fl oz, March '13
Allagash tulip

A: Pours a murky dark orange color. Lots of carbonation. Effervescent. Good half finger of right bubbles head. Sticks around a while. Leaving some lacing sheeting.

S: Balsamic vinegar. Tart dark cherries. Oak. Touch of vanilla. Tannic wine-like dryness. Earth.

T: Tart cherry and balsamic up front. Tannic dryness for sure. Mid palate you do really taste that oak with hints of vanilla and wood. Finish is fairly dry but not entirely bone dry.

M: Medium bodied. Some creaminess mid palate.

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Photo of wethorseblanket
4.24/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Thanks to Wowcoolman for sharing last weekend. 375ml corked and caged.

A: Pours a hazy light orangish-copper with a thin white head which fades quickly to the rim leaving just a few spots.

N: Tannic and basalmic sting with vinous and cherry fruit notes.

T: Prickly sour and tart with some funk and tannins and a mixture of fruits including grapes and cherries.

M: Medium body and light carbonation. Oaky and tart finish.

O: Would like to have more. Enjoyed the barrel aging here.

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Photo of kevanb
4.24/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

375ml, dated 11/29/2012, poured into an Allagash Coolship tumbler.

The beer pours a rich caramel color, medium amber, with slight orange hue that is very clear, with a handful bubbles rising to the top of the glass. A thick, soapy, off white head rises out of the glass, nearly 2 fingers high that has very, very good retention and leaves some sticky lace behind. The aroma is of light funk, tart cherry, soft oak, brown sugar and rich malted grain. It's not an overly complex aroma, but very nicely balanced and surprisingly malty, but not over the top, the sweetness and tartness play nicely together. The flavors are very similar, rich grain, tart cherry with a nice amount oak that brings out some caramel and brown sugar with some soft and light funk at the end. The mouthfeel is nice, lots of carbonation, but it reads very smoothly, coats the mouth well and finishes softly with a creamy touch and lightly dry sensation.

Verdict: A very nice Wild Ale from Allagash. Yet another success in their line of sour and wild ales, and one of the more peculiar wild ales I've tried to date with the malt character. Definitely worth trying.

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Photo of ThisWangsChung
4.24/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a murky amber color. The head is a finger high and white in shade. Retention isn't great by normal beer standards, but it's solid for a wild ale. No lacing is left on the glass.

Oh yes. I love how buttery and barrel-laden the aroma comes across. Vanilla, coconut, banana, and even a touch of toasted marshmallow all show up. There's a nuanced sourness beneath the barrel presence, bringing both a tart bite and a delicate funk. Since this is a high-gravity sour, some light caramel sweetness seems to also appear. Yeah, Allagash knows how to make a proper sour ale.

The flavor starts off with powerful notes of cherry, strawberry, apricot, and peach. Candied sugar appears assertively around the middle, tempering some of the acidic bite. Still, the finish is nice and puckering. This tartness appears alongside the nuanced oak barrel qualities - the latter offering a melange of coconut, banana, and vanilla. Exhales reveal nice amounts of cinnamon. It's appropriately deep for an 8.8% wild ale, but the integration (as razor-sharp as it is) isn't quite as stunning as the aroma suggested. Oh well, this is still a wonderful sour.

Because of its relative sweetness, the acidic bite is felt more in the stomach than on the palate. Though the carbonation is just assertive enough to cleanse the finish, it's still a big, bulky-feeling brew. A warming touch also appears post-swallow. Make no mistake, this is a sipper. A damn good one at that!

This is both absurdly complex and absurdly tasty. It's not moronically sour, either. A must try for anyone who has even a minor familiarity of this style.

4.24/5: Another brilliant sour from Allagash

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Photo of n2185
4.23/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.25

A: pours a hazy copper with half a finger of white head that fades into a frothy ring with little lacing.

S: lots of sour and funky notes dominate. Sour and tart cherries, must, oak, red wine, barnyard, and sweet Belgian yeast underneath.

T: similar to the aroma, thereis a wonderful mix of sour and tart fruit, acetic vinegar, musty and funky flavors, barnyard, oak and red wine, etc. There's a lot going on and if makes for a delightfully delicious beer.

M: medium-light body with lowish carbonation, this beer just avoids being watery.

O: a good sour overall. A little undercarbonated, but smells and tastes great.

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Photo of Beer-A-Lot
4.23/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Bottled 12/2012. Poured into a teku. Delicious, sour, smooth. It might have been a tad more sour if I drank a few months ago, but I found this delicious anyway. Allagash continues to impress with their higher-end beers, with bold and complex flavors. It smells great and it drink just as satisfyingly. I didn't get the funk that others did--something I noticed with most old ales. Instead, I got an appealing sour and tart taste that is balanced by the right amount of heat. Can't wait to get my hands on this again next year.

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Photo of Jonada
4.22/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

375ml with cork and cage. Bottled on 12/21/2012. Served in a Russian River stemmed glass. Cork removed with a loud pop.

Appearance: Dark amber/orange in color. 1 finger of an off white, cream colored head. Body is slightly hazy with lots of visible carbonation streaming throughout. Head stuck around through the whole glass and left some nice lacing.

Smell: Oak, lactic and acidic sourness, sour red grape, orange, peach/apricot, light barnyard funk, and a hint of vanilla.

Taste: Much less sour then the nose would indicate. The sourness is actually quite low. Lots of oak and vanilla barrel character, light lactic sourness, apricot, blood orange

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with a soft creamy mouthfeel. Medium soft carbonation. Very light bitterness in the finish. Gentle alcohol warmth after it goes down, but the alcohol is hidden extremely well.

Overall: Interesting wild ale from Allagash. A stronger tatness/sourness could have really sent this one over the top for me, but its still an excellent beer thats worth seeking out.

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Photo of Immortale25
4.21/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Celebrating my 500th review with a sour which is kind of a risk for me, but it's Allagash and they've never steered me wrong. Poured into a Saint Somewhere wine-style glass. Label says Date Bottled: 11/8/2012.

A- Pours a semi-hazy dark amber color with a 1/4 inch off-white head that doesn't retain long before becoming a thick ring around the edge of the glass and a half sheet of surface foam. Drippy, sudsy lacing is not so resilient.

S- Good punch of lactic acid with lots of sweet dark fruits emanating such as cherry, plum, pear, granny smith apple and sour grape. Has a pretty classic Flanders style aroma.

T- Very sour and acidic as it burns the back of my throat. Soon, the palate acclimates and the fruitiness starts working its way in. Very fresh citric notes along with the dark fruits. Raspberry, cherry, apple and kumquat all come to mind. Drinkable and refreshing considering the ABV.

M- Dry with lots of pucker and a sharp acidic twang. Medium carbonation and a relatively hefty body for a wild ale.

O- Sours for me are like playing Russian Roulette (though I guess that's also how the brewer who's making it feels). I tend to like the sweeter ones more although, if it's too sour, I still won't like it. This one is pretty much right on the money: lots of fruit characteristics to balance out the medium-high level of sour and a feel that's not too harsh. Though my 500th review isn't a scorcher, it's a damn fine beer and that's good enough for me. Forever in debt to BlackBelt5112203 for this one.

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Photo of jlindros
4.21/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Light fizzy head, hazy orange red color.

Nose had tart fruit, balaton cherry like fruit, light tart funk, sour malt, light malt vinegar, light vinous and barrel

Taste light sour, some malt, tart balaton cherry, cherry cough syrup, hint malt vinegar, light vinous and barrel sticky syrupy. It also has a little flemmy sticky feel as it finishes long and fairly sour, a little lactobacillus like sour funk.

Mouth is med to lighter bodied, decent carb.

Overall pretty nice sour, good sour funk, light fruit flavors from the wild yeast, just a bit of malt, etc. However, this isn't quite as good as the Coolship beers, and it's almost the same price, so hard to go for more of this despite being a good sour.

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Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
4.21/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Thanks to Steveadore for knocking another beer off my wants list this is a nice surprise extra!

375ml C&C bottle. bottled on 12/21/2012.

Loud pop as the cork comes out of the bottle.

poured into tulip glass.

Appearance: reddish brown bodied beer almost a copper colored beer. almost 3 full fingers of an off white head that drops down to a thin cap.

Smell: bold nose full of cherries and vanilla, wet and tannic oak, hint of sweet slighty fruity malts with vinous wine notes. Smells like bigger bolder flanders red. Incredable nose!

Taste: Big oak notes, really woody and lots of earthiness, then lots of caramel malts. Middle of the beer you get the lactic sour flavor with hints of tart cherries and a touch of vanilla. Also some vinous wine notes mix with a hint of fruity malt. Great balance of sweet and sour flavors. As this beer warms it gets a little bit medicinal; so I gotta ding this beer just a little bit for that.

Mouthfeel: medium bodied beer with low end of moderate carbonation levels. Not quite, but almost a semi-dry finish. Fairly clean sour beer, but its still a little bit sticky. Drinks like its 6%; well hidden ABV. Pretty smooth and subtle beer. Slightly creamy mouthfeel.

Overall: I really like this Allagash beer; its really solid. It does remind me of a Flander Red, but not as sweet as most from that beer style. I like the Coolship beers much more than this Allagash beer, but its definately not a slacker. It seems like Allagash's calling card is balance when it comes to sour beers. Allagash is a fantastic domestic sour brewer.

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Photo of cvm4
4.21/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A - Pours amber with a slight haze to it. The light khaki head dissipates quickly and there's not really any retention or lacing to speak of.

S - Mildly sweet vinegar, oak, mustiness and tartness.

T - Tart cherries, red wine qualities, vinegar, oak and light sweetness throughout.

M - Medium bodied/carbonation. Seems a bit too thick for the style.

O - A fine example here. Taste is always subjective, but this will do.

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Photo of Gosox8787
4.21/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Presentation: 12.7 oz corked and caged bottle poured into my Russian River tulip glass. Bought this today at the brewery. Bottled on 10/28/2012.

Appearance: Light brown in color with a touch of amber. Pours a pretty minimal head but holds a nice, light beige lacing throughout.

Aroma: The wild yeast is definitely strong here. Red wine and sweet cherries provide some really nice fruity tones. A touch of caramel as well. There is a slight burn from the alcohol as well but it is not too strong at all.

Taste: Not overly tart upfront or at all. Some subtle tartness with red wine tones. Really nice balanced sweetness of cherries. Oak, caramel and a touch of vanilla as well. Really smooth and the alcohol is really nicely toned down.

Mouthfeel: Really nice lively carbonation and light bodied.

Overall, a really solid wild ale from Allagash. The balance of the red wine, oak, and sour tones is well done. The alcohol is really deftly handled as well and doesn't feel too boozy.

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Photo of biboergosum
4.2/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

375ml caged and corked bottle. Merci beaucoup to hoppypocket for sending this across the continent to me. Nice sepia-toned foeder depicted on the label.

This beer pours a rather murky, cloudy dark bruised apricot amber hue, with one finger of sludgy, tightly foamy off-white head, which leaves a few random swaths of settling whipped cream lace as it gradually fades to nil.

It smells of tart acetic acid fronted apple, cherry, and white grapes, moderate musty funk, edgy pale malt, vanilla and caramel-tinged wooden planks, a strange whiff of gritty candi sugar, dry earthy yeast, and an indistinct vinous booziness. The taste is more apple and white wine vinegar, lightly funky green yeast, softly wooden vanilla, caramel and alcohol notes, faint sour milk, a later surge of sour plums and black cherries, an obscured pale and caramel malt base, and musty, earthy hops.

The bubbles are generally supportive, and little more, the body a surprising medium weight, and equally smooth, the overarching tartness having little effect here, so much so, that a wee bit of airy creaminess seems capable of rearing its shy head. It finishes weirdly off-dry, the oak and malt sourced caramel still kickin' it unabashedly in the face of the lingering multifaceted sourness. Yo.

A pleasantly approachable barrel-aged wild ale, the wood apparently taking the edge off of the sour, tart, and funky essences (I say that without having tried any other offering from this brewery). Rather, the sweetness complements the sourness, et al, to the point of a semblance of balance. Tasty, complex stuff, this is.

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Photo of Dope
4.2/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle 11/29/2012

A: Pours a clear ruby red. Big effervescent tan head. Head fades slowly, leaving behind moderate walls of lacing. Good retention.

S: Cherries and lots of them. Tart cherries and sweet cherries at the same time. Touch of leather?

T: Pretty tart cherries initially. Backed up by a sweet caramel-like malt though that really prevents this one from becoming too sour. Has a light vinegar twang throughout. Drying, tingly tart cherry cough syrup aftertaste with hints of leather.

M: Medium bodied and smooth.

O: Really nice balance of tart and sweet flavors. Honestly might be the best wild ale I've ever had. Nice bright but well-integrated flavors. Sweet and sour. Delicious and well crafted.

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Photo of MacQ32
4.19/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

A - pours an amber orange with a finger of light tan head, decent retention and very good lacing. Lots of chunky darker sediment at the bottom, perfect for movember

S - acidic sourness. Bubblegum and horseradish

T - 2012 vintage, less tart but still nicely sour and exactly as it smells with emphasis on lighter bubblegum flavors

M - medium bodied it less, mildly sticky on the tongue

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Photo of oline73
4.16/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Poured from the bottle into a goblet.

The beer pours a cloudy dark reddish amber color with a finger of fluffy off white head. The head sticks around quite nicely. The smell is quite sour and funky with a nice fruity sweet note to it. The taste isn't as intensely sour as I expected from the smell. I'm getting an herbal funk along with a mild oaky note. The taste has a touch of herbal sweetness to it along with a very tart finish. The carbonation is very smooth with small bubbles. The finish isn't as dry as I thought it would be.

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