Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition)
Brewery Ommegang

Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition)Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition)
Write a Review
Beer Geek Stats: | Print Shelf Talker
Strong Ale - Belgian Dark
Ranked #123
Ranked #14,196
4.03 | pDev: 8.44%
Brewery Ommegang
New York, United States
Very Good
Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition)Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition)
Notes: Collaboration with AleSmith Brewing Company

Blend of Belgian-style Quadruple Ale with an Imperial Coffee Stout
Reviews: 12 | Ratings: 28 | Log in to view all ratings and sort
Reviews by Bluecrow:
Photo of Bluecrow
Bluecrow from New York

4.25/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

The brew is very dark, yet clear in bright light. It hosts a 3 cm foam cap and a sweet aroma with boozy notes.
The flavor base is toasted malt, caramel and some Belgian candi-sugar. There is a slightly burnt aspect and fig-raisin element.
The mouthfeel is smooth. It is a bit sweeter than my preference.

Oct 18, 2020
More User Reviews:
Photo of Mikexw
Mikexw from New York

3.59/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Oct 23, 2020
Photo of Sayb
Sayb from Arizona

3.76/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Yesterday at 11:34 PM
Photo of BadgerNCarolina
BadgerNCarolina from North Carolina

3.4/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.25

Sep 26, 2020
Photo of Gkruszewski
Gkruszewski from New York

4.25/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Oct 12, 2020
Photo of HoppingMadMonk
HoppingMadMonk from New Jersey

4.25/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Solid balck color. Medium light carbonation with a just above average body. Has a nice thick full creamy feel
Malt,yeast, candi sugar, floral, roasted malt, coffee, espresso beans
Taste is exactly what the aroma presented.
It really smells and tastes like a high quality belgian quad mixed with an also quality stout. Very good but its a bit of an odd mix but saying that it was delicious.

Oct 21, 2020
Photo of StonedTrippin
StonedTrippin from Colorado

4.46/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

this is a brilliant coming together of two rightly iconic beers from each side of the country, who would have thought?! the can says it can be cellared, but they should bottle it for that no? do they? they should! its awesome stuff, and both base beers have not been bastardized in this, its a nice expression of both, but also super synergistic, a glorious union! i can smell the belgian yeast, and even the kriek element of the ommegang beer right away, through the inch of thick foamy tan head on this dark and dreamy beauty, sure fills out a red wine glass prettily! i smell some coffee too, warming and very bitter, dark roasted barley, unmalted and nearly burnt, some other yeastiness too, raisins and dates and vanilla, almost a barrel aged component out of left field, sweet too though, very complex, i am intrigued! the flavor is nice, bitterness from the stout sets in early and stays late, becoming an almost dominant feature later on in the flavor journey, but the belgian nuance never disappears either, spicy with anise and clove notes, burnt sugar, maple, its autumnal and awesome, even if the coffee is in front of it. im surprised that this can be at once quite bitter but also very sweet, the aftertaste just keeps on giving, i love every second. light smoke, torched cherry, tree bark, cocoa, molasses, specialty chateau type malt, even cranberry, blackberry, and birch syrup, its insanely layered, especially with temperature. this is a beer i wish to be able to share with a dozen friends or more at once, like all my dudes need a piece of this, its monumental and unique and probably fleeting, its so good, a perfect fall to winter transition brew, and something i will remember forever. this should be bottled for ageing purposes, the pint can is a weird format for something as special as this, i think black wax dip or a cork and cage and foil or something, but whatever, the liquid remains amazing regardless of the vessel. amazing yeast presence, coffee freshness, road tar, licorice, gingerbread, brown sugar, and stewed fruit. wonderful, even miraculous, do not miss this one! the name, given the threads in the blend, is also brilliant!

Oct 15, 2020
Photo of Beersnake1
Beersnake1 from California

4.09/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured from fridge temp. Pours jet black with a nice amount of light brown head. The nose is very interesting. Definitely reminds me of both beers involved in this experiment. Coffee comes through loud and clear. The sweet and malty layers delivered by Three Philosophers then appear. Some rich dark chocolate and a touch of molasses are there as well. I really like the taste. It's quite complex. Sweet upfront and a bitter (coffee grounds) aftertaste. Malty, black licorice, raisins, molasses, dark chocolate, vanilla, cherries, and a subtle nuttiness. It is a true marriage of the styles, and in this case I like it. Is it better than either of the beers that went into this? Not really. However, it provides something quite unique. The mouthfeel is creamy and the aftertaste is everlasting.

Oct 10, 2020
Photo of Treyliff
Treyliff from West Virginia

4.18/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

16oz can poured into a snifter

A- pours black in color with a one-finger foamy khaki head that reduces to a ring around the edge

S- aroma leans more towards the Belgian quad side; an array of dried dark fruits, fruity Belgian yeast, caramel, banana and fruit cake. Undertones of coffee, chocolate and charred malt

T- sweet and malty up front with dark fruit notes of fig, raisin, plumb, dark cherry and prunes, as well as some caramel notes. Mid-palate gives some spicy and fruit yeast notes, adding banana and clove. The finish starts to bring out the chocolate notes of the stout, as well some some roasty coffee that pops through the dark fruity notes. Lingers of dark fruit, fruity yeast and chocolate

M- medium body with moderate carbonation leads to a foamy mouthfeel that continues into a slightly warming finish

O- surprisingly the Quad side of the blend dominated both aroma and taste, but the stout adds just enough chocolate and coffee on the finish to make for a really enjoyable blend

Yesterday at 01:28 AM
Photo of TLA
TLA from Pennsylvania

4.13/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Oct 04, 2020
Photo of Greywulfken
Greywulfken from New York

4.5/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Combines a "headline" beer from each brewer - Three Philosophers and Speedway Stout respectively... It's an insta-win for me - c'mon how can you go wrong? Tastes like an excellent strong dark Belgian ale/stout... As I'm drinking it at times I'm getting a chocolaty coffee stout and there's times when I'm getting a sophisticated Belgian quad... Incredible blend of dark fruit and coffee with rich notes of chocolate-covered cherry... Fairly full-bodied - leaves a pleasing semisweet shellac of bitter fruits and thick chocolate... Body is smooth but lively - all too drinkable...

This is not a strict "American Imperial stout" - there are strong "Belgian dark ale/quadrupel" elements - maybe approach it like a Belgian/American strong ale for best results...

Oct 12, 2020
Photo of beerrat
beerrat from Virginia

4.4/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Sunday at 10:33 PM
Photo of Cpmitchno1
Cpmitchno1 from Virginia

4/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oct 10, 2020
Photo of morimech
morimech from Minnesota

3.53/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Dark brown color with a large head. Rather timid aroma. I pick up the Belgian yeast more than anything. Tastes very much like a Belgian ale with compliments of chocolate, dark fruit, and graham crackers. I do not get coffee at all. I think this is fairly fresh so I do not think the coffee has faded. Not the most robust body for an almost 11% beer. Nicely carbonated. A lot of breweries try and make this combination, and not all are successful.

Oct 18, 2020
Photo of sd123
sd123 from Texas

3.94/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oct 19, 2020
Photo of officerbill
officerbill from New York

3.72/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

L: deep old motor oil black with a frothy dark tan head that wick dissolves into a film
S: I don't know if it was me or the beer, but the aroma was weak. A faint molasses, brown sugar, and coffee smell.
T: caramel, toffee, molasses, coffee, smoke
F: thinner than expected. Minimal carbonation with a mildly bitter aftertaste
O: not bad, but not as good as I hoped it would be, the (very good) ommegang quad overpowers the (also very good) Alesmith stout. The can gives a 5 year BB date so I'll set the other three aside for a while and try one again in a few months.

Oct 04, 2020
Photo of sjrider
sjrider from California

4.16/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured from a can - very dark with foamy khaki head leaving significant lacing. Nose is interestingly mostly Belgian yeast and a bit of spice. Taste is about the same ,not getting much else here. Where's the stout element? This is an odd hybrid that seems to be hijacked by the Belgian influence...Belgian stout? Whatever it is , it's quite tasty.

Oct 22, 2020
Photo of petewheeler
petewheeler from Maryland

4/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oct 09, 2020
Photo of Roguer
Roguer from Georgia

4.02/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Excellent head production; very good retention and lacing. The stout has a heavy influence on the color.

Three Philosophers leads the way on the nose, with dry yeast notes, banana, fig, prune, fruit bread, and cherry. Bits of cola, coffee, and chocolate from Speedway Stout, but it's definitely second fiddle.

Blend is more balanced, with plenty of stout flavor, including a strong amount of roasted malt. Quadruple tones, in particular yeast and dark fruit tones, start dancing back and forth with the stout on the back half. Chocolate, coffee, toast, light char, caramel, banana, cherry, cola. Tobacco finish.

Full bodied but not as chewy as Speedway Stout; the overall blend is definitely thinned out by the quadruple.

This is certainly an interesting blend. I don't think the whole is greater than either of the parts; they are better as individual beers. However, it's definitely tasty and enjoyable, and a creative experiment.

Oct 05, 2020
Photo of craigbelly
craigbelly from Iowa

4.04/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Oct 12, 2020
Photo of chrismattlin
chrismattlin from Ohio

3.71/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Oct 03, 2020
Photo of Vylo
Vylo from New Jersey

4.98/5  rDev +23.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 5

Oct 15, 2020
Photo of ajdemma
ajdemma from New York

4/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oct 15, 2020
Photo of Fordcoyote15
Fordcoyote15 from Kentucky

4.49/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Love it. It drinks more like a quad but lingers with roasty stout char between sips.

Oct 14, 2020
Photo of kjkinsey
kjkinsey from Texas

4/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Wednesday at 01:05 AM
Philosophy and Velocity (East Coast Edition) from Brewery Ommegang
Beer rating: 87 out of 100 with 28 ratings