Cup O Kyndnes
Brewery Ommegang

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Scottish Ale
3.85 | pDev: 11.43%
Brewery Ommegang
New York, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Very Good
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Notes: The Belgian-Scotch brewing connection dates to WWI, when thousands of Scotsmen spent years in Belgium. To satisfy the new customers, Belgian brewers learned to brew lighter "Scotch" style ales. This fine Ommegang ale uses heather tips and a wee bit of smoked malt to bring the taste and aroma of Scotland to the forefront. "Malty, full body, dark, slightly smoky, with heather notes. Flavorful and aromatic, with a gentle complexity and easy-going finish."
Reviews: 169 | Ratings: 241
Photo of angrybabboon
2.78/5  rDev -27.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Review adapted from notes taken 1/9/11

Appearance: Brownish amber color with a fluffy head to start that fades to some lacing

Smell: Smells bizarre but kind of intriguing - some sweetness, some smoke, some Belgian yeast in the background

Taste: Quickly earned the name "Cup O Krap," but it got slightly better as it warmed - kind of tastes like a Scotch ale, with the smoked malts - from what I know about heather tips, I don't think it adds much to the beer - some hard water, unpleasantly dry - the Belgian yeast just takes this mediocrity and makes it worse - the yeast funk really clashes with all of the flavors until this approaches room temperature and becomes more tolerable

Mouthfeel: Smooth and well-carbonated, but a bit too dry

Overall: Not for me, but I guess I could see how someone could like it (based on the other BA reviews I've read)

I really had issues with the Belgian yeast working with the other flavors. I know this style has an interesting history, but I'd prefer if it stayed in my history... If this gets released again, I probably will avoid it.

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Photo of Zorro
3.51/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Clear brown colored beer with a tall light brown head. This is light colored for the style.

Smell is malty and smoky with a fairly medicinal scent. Smells a great deal like a mild Rauchbier. Smell could be a more complex though.

Starts out smoky and malty. Decent amount bitterness. Mildly sweet. Not a lot of nuance here just a straightforward Scottish ale.

Mouthfeel is about average.

Very easy to drink beer. This is frankly a disappointment. Just an
OK beer from a brewery that usually does better.

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Photo of scruffwhor
4.2/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nice tan head of two fingers after the pour that slowly recedes to nothing after some extended sipping. Very Belgian bubbling.

The aroma is a caramelized fruit, prunes and cherries, with caramel malt and a little smoke. Very inticing aroma.

The taste is alive with a great malt base, giving off flavors of caramel and fresh baked beer bread. The heather adds some fruity and earthy flavors in the middle Dark cherries and plums stick out the most. Add to all this with a little smaoke and this is a pretty dynamic tasting beer.

Well carbonated, but silky, although at times metallic and twangy. Still an awesome beer worth buying again and again.

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Photo of SIRIUS2
3.44/5  rDev -10.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a bottle into a pint glass. Initial pour is basic brown with a touch of red or amber mixed in. The brew is not clear, but it's hard to tell if it's hazy or just really dark. The foam that rises to the top is pretty light; sort of a a stack of off-white bubbles as opposed to a foamy head. Lacing is extremely light.

Big time roasty malts on the nose and not much else. It's a pleasant sort of aroma, not overbearing but certainly not very diverse.

Taste very much mirrors the smell. Fairly sweet and malty, mostly characteristic of the style, but there isn't much of that 'peat' flavor on the back side. Nothing in the way of smoke either. The malt is typical and seems to go well with rest of the brew but it is definitely the star of the brew.

Overall I did enjoy the brew. I might have had my standards set a bit high because of the quality that I have come to expect from Ommegang. The obvious Belgian yeast in this brew was interesting but almost served as a distraction from the style. It was good, don't get me wrong, but I think I prefer the traditional Scottish ale to this one.

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Photo of mactrail
3.28/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Should give an award for the robust, long-lasting foam. It does make for a sprightly, mouth-filling brew. Dark amber in the chalice. Fair amount of malt with rich roasted flavors. Not much aroma. Burnt raisin flavors. Some hops in the mix.

I guess I'm not clear on the concept here. The Belgian yeasty flavors detract rather than add to the Scotch elements. I don't find this very exciting, but it does reveal its charms slowly. Better as it sizzles in the glass for a while, and then have another creamy slurp.

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Photo of twiggamortis420
2.91/5  rDev -24.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

750 mL bottle pours a clear, light garnet hue with an airy tan head. Nice retention and lacing.

Nose is not really all that assertive. Some medium fruits are there along with a light dusting of malts and peat. Pretty sweet smelling, I would like to see a bolder, more robust and smoky aroma.

Little bit of smoke comes out in the taste. Fruitiness is prevalent, strawberries for the most part. Malts are sweet, almost too much so. I dont really like the yeast/malt interplay on this beer. I imagine the taste being akin to throwing some strawberry cake on the backyard bbq, just doesnt seem like a good idea, right? Ommegang is very hit or miss for me.

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Photo of Rifugium
3.5/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

First had: on tap at Pinocchio's, Media, PA

Pours a cloudy mahogany with a nice finger of foamy white head that retains well. Earthy aroma, with notes of sweet malts, sugar, and dark fruits. Sweetness in the taste, toasty malts, a bit medicinal, cherries and raisins, and some toffee and peat. Mild spices and little hops to speak of. Medium mouthfeel, and fairly drinkable.

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Photo of SkeeterHawk
3.8/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I like the attempts at the recreation of historic beer styles. My personal favorite is Southern Star's Walloon, which tries to recreate a commoners beer in Southern Belgium. There is no way we would ever get to try anything like a Southern Belgium Session beer here, so this is great. This beer from Ommegang is also interesting and gives another beer glimpse into the history of the world and the adaptation of beer styles to regions, etc. Bravo, Ommegang! I hope the beer tastes as good as the idea behind it. Let's see:

Appearance: It pours pretty dark and a reddish brown can be seen at the edges. Surprisingly the beer isn't really clear, but maybe this is an adaptation of the style. There was a small head of fizzy tan bubbles that were large, active, and disappeared pretty quickly. You can see some bubbles rising, but they don't stick.

Aroma: The beer is malty, big time. I got lots of the dark caramel that you would expect along with the toasty notes that you get from the malts in the region, so it is true here. The yeast character is reserved, which is a good thing but a little surprising as I expected some. Maybe the warmer beer will be different.

Taste: The Belgian yeast is a MUCH bigger player in the flavor than I ever would have expected from the aroma in the cold beer. The beer is malty and sweet, but the yeast is adding a spicy complexity that is unusual, but kinda nice. The hops are noticeable more as the bittering than anything else. The malt and yeast are running things up until the finish, and then you get some of the hops and the alcohol to dry out the finish. As the beer is warming, there is a subtle peat coming out that also makes you think Scotch Ale. The mouthfeel is medium and there is ample to low carbonation. You can feel the bubbles as you drink the beer but there isn't enough viscosity to the beer to make them stick or make much of an impression on your palate.

Opinion: Overall, I am pretty happy with this beer. It isn't one that I would drink a whole lot of as I don't think that I could do this flavor for very long, but I will be enjoying this one beer.

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Photo of Bung
3.43/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

16.9 oz. An amber/orange pour, two full fingers of off white head. Larger foam to it than the usual also.

Aroma is pretty sweet, malt caramel. Some sweeter fruit as well.

Taste is like the stardard Scottish, minus the earthy peat, smoke and added estery bannana and clove of a Belgian. Get some of the heather also. Finishes slightly herbal hops, some spice.

Lightest side of medium bodied. Carbonation is a little high, but keeps the sweet stickiness down some. Drinks pretty easily, though it was extreamly difficult for me to drink.

A "Belgian" take on the style for sure. Not bad, I just didn't particularly care for it. Each component was nearly good, but the overall experience wasn't that enjoyable. You have to be ready to get something not really to style with this one. Similar to Froach Heather Ale a bit.

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Photo of donkeyrunner
2.93/5  rDev -23.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Dark, orangey eggplant color. Big sticky head leaves big, sticky lace splashes. Good retention while it lasted...

Belgian-ish dark fruity malt and pumpernickel - like a whole wheat Fig Newton. There's an unfamiliar herbal character which I'm guessing is the the heather tips. No smoke detected.

Taste is a big letdown. Subtle dark fruit and wheat bread lacks any punch and leaves me wanting more in the flavor department. Again, no smoke. Mouthfeel is fairly creamy and expansive but makes the flavorless profile of this beer seem that much more vacant.

My girlfriend didn't finish her glass and I got through half of mine before it followed hers down the drain. Not bad per se, just not intriguing enough for a sit down and focus beer.

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Photo of BZero007
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked up bottle from a Arrowine in VA.

Pours a solid dark amber hue with an off white head easily forming. The head sticks around for a minute or two then is gone as quickly as it formed. The color is made solid by the murky brew inside. Aroma is a bit faint but smells of a sweet malt back ground. The flavors that came from this brew made my day as it is packed with it. The sweet malt comes threw with a bit of candy bite to it. The taste is pretty bold to me for a 6%abv brew. The body was med/light which fit perfectly with the perfect amount of carbonation. Enjoyed this brew and woul dpick it up again if made.

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Photo of tavernjef
3.78/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Very dark and murky brown, nearly black appearance. Capped well with a medium sized biege crown of firm and fluffy foam. Some patchy stringed lace is placed about the glass and it keeps a slight skim and collar the entire session.

Aroma is pruney with dark tangy maltedness. Bright raisin ascents as well as some lower leveled molasses and caramel. A bit of smokey peat and nuttyness also nips at the nose as it sits.

Taste is bit one dimensional with a flattened sense of some maltyness that brings to life a bit of dark and dulled fruit skins and mushy caramel. Clean, but a bit too sharp and Belgian-like for it to be what a Scottish ale would usually bring. Middle areas and the finish are loose and empty without much activity in tone and length.

Feel is just under a medium body, malty with a peppy carbonation that takes away from it being smoother then it should or could be. Unfortunately this was nothing like I'd hope it was going to be. Seemingly a pretty standard take on a Belgian dark with only the slightest of a Scottish kilt kick.

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Photo of Teleweizen2
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - pours a deep brown mahogany color with bright ruby red highlights. Just under an inch of frothy tan head with decent retention and leaves webs of lacing on the glass as it slowly receedes.

S - the malts seem to dominate the aroma. Lots of toffee and caramalized sugar. Toast and a mild nutty smoke are detectable as well. The yeast brings out big dark fruit notes as well such as cherries and raisons.

T - there is a mild toasty caramel sweetness up front followed by a smokey and fruity middle. The finish is quick with a slight residual sweetness. There is just enough hop bitterness for balance.

M - medium bodied but has a rich and frothy texture. Carbonation is high and seems to bubble on the tounge.

D - this is one interesting ale. The Belgian yeast adds a nice bit of fruit character to the big Scottish inspired malt profile. Big on flavor yet surprisingly easy drinking. Hope to see this one again next year.

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Photo of codsmith
3.35/5  rDev -13%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Tulip from Bar on Buena

A: dark red, brown, black with a one finger foam head that is dirty white

S: sweet malt character. A sight bit of smokiness coming through. You can smell a bit of scotch coming through that adds to the sweetness. Reminds me of a double or triple Belgian with a slight amount off banana esters from the yeast.

T: fruity and bitter like a Belgian but has a smoother finish with the smoked malts. Basically a hybrid of Belgian w/ smoked malt and some scotch poured in. There is a twinge of bitterness mixing with the smoke at the end. Not a desirable aftertaste with the sourness coming through.

M: feels heavy but in the mouth from the carbonation. Typical Belgian feel

O: if you are a Belgian and sour beer fan this is a beer for you. Too many different taste profiles going on to be good.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A solid pour into my Lost Abbey Teku glass produces a three-finger thick, pale amber tinged, light tan colored head, that leaves a nice layered lacing pattern on the sides of my glass. The beer is a dark, concentrated amber hue that shows up; when held up to the light the beer shows a clear, light ruby color with gold highlights around the edges. The aroma smells sweet, fruity and candy like in some ways; this last is accentuated by a very faint spiciness in the finish that makes me think of the spices used in dessert (clove and woody allspice). There is also a rich maltiness to this beer that brings out aromas of toasted grain, deeply caramelized sugars, an almost spiciness that seems brown grain (sort of like rye) derived.

The beer isn't nearly as sweet as the aroma made it seem to be and has a nice rich, toasted malt character and brown bread crust character; somehow the malt richness seems a bit thin somehow, it is not really a complexity thing, but somehow it seems like it is missing a bit of something. Still, there is quite a bit of complexity here that contributes a solid brown grain spiciness, lots of toasted whole grain bread crust, dark caramelized Maillard like flavors. The malt sweetness is balanced by a bit of tartness towards the finish (that is likely brought out by the sweet Chinese rice cake I had 45 minutes ago). Something in this reminds me a bit of the spiciness found in cola. The body of this beer is fairly light for an American interpretation of this style, but is right in line with many of the Belgian ones that I have had; it has a medium mouthfeel to it, but is quite drinkable. I really can't get past the spiciness in the finish, it lingers on the palate, almost with some turpene like tongue numbing notes, sort of floral, sort of menthol like and almost chrysanthemum like. There is a hint of phenolic character in the finish that boosts the malt complexity more than anything.

Actually quite a nice beer, once my palate got used to it, the beer seems a bit richer than it initially started out as. This is really quite enjoyable & I am definitely quite happy to have a whole 750ml of this to myself.

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Photo of nrbw23
3.55/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A- Corked and caged 750ml bottle. Pours a dark brownish color with a light tan head with good lacing and retention.

S- Smell is malty with some caramel, spices, hints of dark fruits and a Belgian yeast strain.

T- The taste follows the nose really well malty up front with some caramel and spices with a yeasty finish.

M- The mouthfeel is light to medium bodied with a good amount of carbonation.

D- Nothing to write home about here. It has some nice Scottish aspects that I really like, but the whole yeast is kinda of turning me off.

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Photo of ColForbinBC
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750mL bomber poured into a Ommegang flute

Pours a rich mahogany red with a fluffy, ecru colored cap that rose a good two fingers and subsided slowly. Mild lacing left behind.

Sugary, nutty, caramel/toffee, flowers, and cocoa. Very interesting aroma that had me diving back in. Broad, but not overly deep.

Toasted bread with brown sugar, toffee, cherries with raisins/figs/dates rounding out the flavor profile. A very unique take on a scotch ale that is welcome in my fridge any day.

Medium body, a bit syrupy, but clean and dry on the finish with some residual sweetness.

I found this to be pretty easy to drink. A unique nod to the style that I would definitely purchase again.

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Photo of ksimons
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A-pours a dark ruby brown with two fingers worth of white fluffy head

S-malts, caramel, yeast, and a slight muskiness

T-malts, caramel, and again has a musky, sour like taste to it. A touch of bitterness and spiciness comes out at the end, could be from the heather

M-medium body, moderate carbonation, subtle flavors

D-an interesting beer, could be a bit richer, but overall one I am glad I tried

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Photo of generallee
4.53/5  rDev +17.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Presentation: It was poured from a brown 750ml corked and caged bottle into a tulip glass. The label has a nice description but with no abv%. There is also a freshness date printed on the glass. ("PKG ON 08/10/10" and "BEST BY 08/2012")

Appearance: It looks dark in the glass and has a garnet red hue when held up to the light. This is capped off by a two to three finger head which has excellent retention. A small light tan layer of foam hangs on till the last sip. As I take each sip the head coats the glass with film of slick bubbles which brakes up and leaves cool lace patterns on the glass.

Smell: I get a lot of the smoked malt right up front with some mild fruity malt notes and classic Ommegang yeast notes underneath. Way off in the distance is a very faint hint of heather.

Taste/Palate: The flavor has a sweet malty character up front with fruity and yeasty notes. This is backed up with very firm smoky malt which covers up the light floral heather notes. Hops are distant and offer only light leafy herbal notes with light hop bitterness. This all comes by way of a smooth softly carbonated palate with a medium to full body.

Notes: When I think of Scottish Ales I think of smoky malts with rich complex sweetness and this one brings it! For me though, the heather was a bit distant but overall I enjoyed this lovely ale more than just a wee bit.

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Photo of Sam21
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750ml cork/cage bottle. Bottled in August of 2010. Best by August of 2012.

Appearance - Dark mahogany body with copper hues. Thick fluffy tan head with excellent retention. Leaves sticky lace all over the glass.

Smell - Spicy clove and prominent herbal notes that must be the heather tips. Sweetness and smoke as the backbone. Balanced and pleasant.

Taste - Sweetness and cloves up front. The smoked malt shows its face midway through. Finish is sweet, lightly smoky, and has a moderate herbal bitterness. As the beer warms, the sweetness of the malt is emphasized and adds some subtle fruit flavors. The herbal notes are intriguing and mix well with the smoked malt.

Mouthfeel - Medium-bodied. Extremely creamy and soft feel.

Drinkability - Quaffable. All the elements are in balance and accentuate each other. Sweet, simple, intriguing, and different. The herbal notes give this beer the character to stand out against other Scottish and Scottish-style ales.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.03/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Slightly more cranberry red than tangerine orange, with an expansive and creamilicious cap of golden ecru colored lovliness. An abundance of stickiness leads to an abundance of lace. Funny how that works.

The aroma delivers caramel, musky fruit skins, a sweet nuttiness and a gentle push of smoke. Heather tips aren't appreciated so far. Looks like the boys from Cooperstown have done their homework with what is not a classically Belgian style.

Even though it says 'Scotch Ale' on the neck label, Cup O Kyndnes is really more of a Scottish ale, as indicated above. It isn't malty enough, sweet enough or full-bodied enough to be a member of the bigger style. With an ABV of 6.6%, it's obvious that Brewery Ommegang never intended it to be.

My first impression is that this is relatively subtle beer. It doesn't bowl the drinker over with a bagpipes blast of flavor, but there's something good goin' on in each mouthful. Palate fatigue should not be an issue and all 750 ml will be gone long before sundown.

The flavor profile includes brown bread with a thick layer of fruit marmalade and a thin layer of caramel, a modest tea leaf bitterness, sugared pecans, and a few tendrils of wood smoke. Heather tips have to be contributing, but they aren't easily identified.

The mouthfeel is touch-and-go between 3.5 and 4.0. In the end, it does just enough in terms of size, expansiveness, hang-on and mouth energy to earn the bigger number.

Cup O Kyndnes Traditional Belgian-Style Scotch Ale is not my favorite Ommegang ale, but it's a damn fine example of the style. Even though a second bottle is probably not in the cards, this is proving to be an enjoyable experience. Which makes it worth... whatever was spent.

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Photo of drizzam
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Poured a deep ruddy red, leaning toward copper, in color with a slight haze to the body, topped by a luxurious off-white slightly orange head.

S - Sweet aroma with some light citric notes and sweet malt.

T & M - Fruity...grape and apple seem to be the predominant fruits here with a larger dash of grape. Some caramelized malt adds a bit of depth to the fruit. Thin to medium bodied and it seems to leave a bit of grape skin aftertaste.

D - A very nicely done brew by Ommegang, and a very good example of the style. Relatively low ABV along with an excellent flavor lend itself to a highly drinkable brew.

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Photo of WJVII
3.61/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

2/23/11 review session hosted by Cdkrenz reviewed from notes- drizzm sample:

Poured from a pint glass this brew was a very dark amber color with a wonderful 2 finger head that lasted well into the sampling. The aroma was of very light smoke, some very earthy and bready tones were present. The taste had a strong malt presence along with the mild smokey flavor accustom to a scotch ale. This was a medium body brew with good carbonation to help the flavors mingle. Nice brew but not the best of the session.

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Photo of cdkrenz
3.8/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to drizzam for sharing.

A - Around 13 SRM having a nice rich red body. Light tan head has some impressive stamina.

S - The scents are that of a clean, crisp, roasty, and slightly smoked brew.

T - Nutty and slightly spiced beverage. Not necessarily what I had expected with the nuttiness.

M - Watery and soft texture. Not as thick as I would have liked.

~ This is a somewhat sessionable brew and I would suggest it to friends.

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Photo of Radome
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 750 ml bottle into a snifter.

A - The beer is a deep red color and clear when held up to the light. The head is light tan and piles very high on pouring. It maintains a thick layer and lots of lacing until the end of the glass.

S - The initial aroma is of smoky malt and yeast notes. This morphs into some floral (heather tips?) and crisp grain notes.

T - The sharp smoked malt dominates the taste, giving the beer a mild roastiness but without the burnt taste of a stout. There is some sweetness and complexity from yeast notes.

M - The body is moderate to heavy, but there is a creamy feel that seems to lighten it. Alcohol and hops bitterness are not major characteristics.

D - This is a very nice Scotch ale with some added Belgian characteristics, primarily the high, creamy carbonation and some yeast flavors.

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Cup O Kyndnes from Brewery Ommegang
Beer rating: 86 out of 100 with 241 ratings