Cup O Kyndnes
Brewery Ommegang

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Scottish Ale
3.85 | pDev: 11.43%
Brewery Ommegang
New York, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Very Good
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Notes: The Belgian-Scotch brewing connection dates to WWI, when thousands of Scotsmen spent years in Belgium. To satisfy the new customers, Belgian brewers learned to brew lighter "Scotch" style ales. This fine Ommegang ale uses heather tips and a wee bit of smoked malt to bring the taste and aroma of Scotland to the forefront. "Malty, full body, dark, slightly smoky, with heather notes. Flavorful and aromatic, with a gentle complexity and easy-going finish."
Reviews: 169 | Ratings: 241
Photo of TheHoppiest
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into an oversized wine glass. Pours a ruddy brown with a fluffy creme colored head that reduces to a soapy lid with foamy retention as the glass is swirled. Amber highlights reside at the bottom of the glass.

Has a bready, malty, yeasty smell, with hints of pepper, sour, and peaty scotch.

Presents initially as a typical wee heavy, but the Ommegang trademark yeast strain is clearly evident, giving it an odd sort of bubbly feeling in the back of the throat. Taste is malty, with an earthy peat and oak flavor. There's a slight fruity sweetness mid-way through the sip, a darker fruit perhaps?

Mouth feel is on the thinner side, with a decent amount of carbonation, pepper and spice to keep the throat interested.

It's a nice sipper on a Sunday afternoon, though my taste in scotch ales typically goes for the bigger and bolder, rather than this Belgian experiment. It's not bad at all, rather, I just am not into this yeast strain that Ommegang loves to use.

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Photo of Vonerichs
3.8/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The body is dark brown with a red hue around the edges. It was poured into a tulip and had a generous, fluffy, off-white head.

The smell has a smokey backbone to it. You can also smell the caramel-like sweetness that is indicative of the style.

The smokey peat lightens up in the taste. It has a surprisingly bitter finish to it that I don't normally taste in a scotch ale, nor to I like it.

Mouthfeel is creamy and heavy.

Good drinkability. It was an enjoyable beer and, aside from the bitterness, is what one would expect from a scotch ale. The low abv makes it easy to drink.

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Photo of Thur123
4.02/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This brew pours a deep ruby red color that also looks peat brown when not held to light. There was one finger of a grayish white head that faded quickly. The smell is malty sweet, with a kind of smoky tree like smell, but any plant smell is faint.

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The flavor is complex...softly bitter edge is followed by mellow smokiness and a light herbal plantiness. The yeast gives this beer amazing body I feel. It's heavy without being too thick, full bodied and light. A flowery lightness also rides in on the palate. Pretty drinkable for its style and abv, which isn't too high but enough that you can feel it happen. A great beer.

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Photo of Keffa
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 750ml cork and cage into my Duvel tulip.

A: Pours a dark ruby/brownish color, nice 1 1/2 finger head that settles into a small cap, some light lacing on the glass. Okay retention. Nice bright highlights when held to light. Nice start.

S: Smoked malt, peaty/heather notes, light caramel sweetness, and a very faint floral note. Yeast is subdued, but still a little noticeable, and there is a light dark fruit note in the background (plum?). Nice.

T: Nice smoke and roast, caramel sweetness, dough, and slightly spicy towards the finish. The smoke is very prominent. The plum comes through, again, in the background.

M: Thin body, yet creamy. Decent carbonation. Odd.

D: Good. Alcohol is hidden, the flavors are nice, and the finish is somewhat light, and quite nice.

This one is a damned nice Scotch Ale. Dirty Bastard is still my favorite in the style, but this one is still good. A good take on it, and surprising coming from a brewery whose house yeast strain is so recognizable. This one is another good one from Ommegang in my book.

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Photo of Bouleboubier
3.87/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Eagerly anticipated this. Met expectations surprising enough.

I would like to call out, first and foremost, the wonderful balance of core flavors as the heather shows delicate and dainty in aroma and up front in the taste, the smoked malt was thankfully kept at a restrained level - a supporting role rather than center stage and full of rage - with the Belgian yeast subtle and painting a nice backdrop.

Didn't get a generous head, but you never know with this style so it looked alright to me. Underneath a fairly clean, fairly straight-up (light-)brown hue, vague rusty tones, and oops a few midsize specks of the dregs. A look more Belgian than Scotch - a theme throughout.

As I said, the essence of heather emanates outside the glass, while the smoke greets only as you put nose in glass - they must have scaled back this malt addition a bit more than most others. Perfect, if you're gonna add any at all. The malt profile is nice. Biscuity more than caramel and a little drier than the average wee heavy though, considering the hybridization of what have you of style/ingredients, I'd say they did a damn good job representing and balancing each element. The marginal fruitiness and spice of the yeast cuts through, creating a light, soft, almost crisp and clean feel.

Gotta say, I kept this bottle around for a good 3-4 months maybe and I don't know if that helped condition it any better in that short amount of time. This was much more defined, therefore better, from the bottle than on tap though. Not all that surprising. My only advice for improvement - bigger and bolder (by a bit) - boost the body, density, and depth of the malts a few percentage points and perhaps use a different yeast strain or higher fermentation temp that will enhance the malt presence and or fruitiness. There.

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Photo of 1759Girl
3.72/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Appearance> Pours beautifully. A nice hazy warm brown colour. Looks a little like a dark sour. Sitting on top is a thick tan head. Super rich.

Smell>Spice and yeast.

Taste> Nice. Good representation of its style. Not too terribly complex. Delightful yeast and clove finish.

Mouf>sudsy. Not bad.

Drinkability> Good.

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Photo of BEERMILER12
4.3/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a nice red-brown color with a fingers worth of tan head

S: Smoked malts and spices are the focus, with a tiny oak presence in the background most likely due to the general smokiness of scottish ales

T: The smokiness comes out a lot more in the taste than in the nose, and is the focal point of this beer. Subtle spice notes also kick in mid-way through

M: Medium body and carbonation, and the smokiness makes it very smooth

D: Great example of the style, and so easy to drink, especially at 6.6%. If they started brewing this regularly and put it in 4- or 6-packs it would definitely be a popular scottish-style ale

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Photo of hdofu
4.35/5  rDev +13%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This is a very interesting beer. Pour dark brown, has a light tan head. Smell is intensely of spices, like cinamon and ginger. Taste is very wheatish and finishes with a punch in the face of these spices. It has a pleasant mouthfeel and isn't too strong. I have no complaints about this one and would recomend it to people who like a spicyness in there beer (not cajun spicy but spice rack spicy)

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Photo of brotherloco
3.63/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Packaged on 08/02/10

Interesting combination of styles. Apparently dates back to WWI from notes on side of bottle.

Decent looking pour and foamy head. Smells of sweet caramel and a bit of belgian yeast, something slightly metallic as well.

Taste matches the smell. Am I tasting the heather in here? Not sure. Sweet malt, meets my expectations for the Scotch part of the style. I'm getting a little bit of that metal at the end of the taste.

Mouthfeel is my least favorite part of the beer, a bit too syrupy and cloying. Drinkability is good though given the taste and medium ABV.

This isn't my favorite Ommegang by far, but it's a cool one-off.

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Photo of feloniousmonk
4.37/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

cup o' kindness Traditional Belgian-style Scotch Ale (is that a thing?)

Murky brown appearance, under a creamy-toned, lace leaving, luscious head. Looking good.

Aroma: sweet, nutty, caramel and toffee notes, chocolate malt aplenty. Floral and heather-y, no hops to be found. Gorgeous.

Taste: why, yes, let's drink 'er up. Lightly bitter bracing entry on the palate, a little funky and sour, tingles the tongue, then lets loose the lush malty flavor. I'm a bit surprised, and thought I'd get nothing but sweet malt from this one. I like it. Great little trick on the tongue, then all is mellow and groovy.

Not too high in alcohol, but exceptionally warming

I'll take a cup of kindness yet, in days of auld's that song go?

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Photo of mattgreger
3.97/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This brew pours a nice amber color, that glows with streaks of ruby red. It has a nice, off white head that is about 1 1/2 thick. It has a nice fluffy body, not great retention though. It does have some half decent lacing.

The aroma begins with notes of sweet fruits, caramel and some biscuit, bready notes as well. There is a lot of smokey aromas as well as the brew warms, which then give way to a nice citrius flavor of oranges and grapefruits.

The flavors on this brew are very good, very rich. The first flavor that hits you is a nice rich, bready punch. It gives way to a nice, toasty like smoke flavor. This blends well with the hops flavor of grapefruit, pine and spices. It's a very complex brew, and well balanced to boot.

The mouthful is very robust and crisp. The brew itself is very light, but with a great spices. It has a great smokey finish. And a nice dry finish.

This was a great Scottish ale. the flavors were rich and very complex, the brew was light, yet defined. There are better brews, out there, but for price this brew was great. I would surely try this one again. Great brew by Brewery Ommegang.

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Photo of mexikrainian
3.7/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

720ml poured into a Stone tulip.

Appearance: maple brown with thick, bubbly tan head and minimal lacing.

Aroma: malty, toffee, caramel, and molasses.

Flavor: sharp coffee, malts, chocolate and smoky.

Mouthfeel: heavy body and medium carbonation.

Overall impression: decent for the style. i personally will not have it again.

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Photo of tigg924
4.3/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: 1/3 inch head, hazy, orange-brown in color, medium-high carbonation

Smell: peat, flowers, toasted malt, and small smokiness

Taste: caramel especially up front, big smoked wood, and peat.

Mouthfeel: medium-heavy bodied, smoky and sweet, moderate-high carbonation

Drinkability: There are some heavy smoke beer flavors going on here. An excellent beer, this rivals AleSmith as one of my favorite bombers in the style. An excellent and multi-layered beer, I am glad I have more than one bomber.

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Photo of cjgator3
3.7/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750ml bottle

A- Corked and caged 750ml bottle. Pours a dark brownish color with a light tan head with good lacing and retention.

S- The aroma is nice and malty with some caramel, spices, hints of dark fruits and a Belgian yeast strain. 

T- The taste like the aroma is deliciously malty up front with some caramel and spices with a yeasty finish. 

M- The mouthfeel is light to medium bodied with a good amount of carbonation.

D- Overall, I enjoyed this beer. It has some nice mixture Scotch Ale characteristics with a Belgian twist. Worth a try!

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Photo of Offa
4.5/5  rDev +16.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This is a wonderful, characterful ale with an interesting and successful combination of Belgian ale and a lightly smokey take on a Scottish ale.

Beautiful, clear deep red-brown-amber, it has a big tan head slowly shirnking and leaving a hint of lace.

Aroma is citrus, Belgian yeastiness with coriander, clove and pear, plus a toasty caramel character and spicy fruits.

Taste is gently but clearly smoky-toasty maltiness and very fruity with light wine element, then lightly woody with a very toasty, lightly smoky finish. It is flavourful with good complexity, yet is smooth and gentle. It goes well with smoky sausages and the like.

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Photo of prototypic
3.43/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Cup o' Kyndness pours a darker copper color. It's very clear, and has a strong garnet look with backlighting. It's topped with a light tan head that rises to nearly two fingers in height. It's slow to recede and leaves a moderate amount of sticky lace on the glass.

The nose is nothing short of interesting. It's a little on the weak side, but isn't bad. It kicks off with an interesting smoky, malty scent. The malts smell mostly caramel, but it's not very sweet smelling. Belgian yeast is noted. It smells alright, but seems a little at odds with the smoky scent. There's a hint of a spicy scent late. It's not bad, but doesn't add much. Alcohol is not much of a factor at all.

The flavor is about on-par with the nose. It does have a sturdy caramel malt base. It's a little sweet, but most of the sweetness is blunted by a strong smoky flavor. Belgian yeast is a little noticeable, but is also somewhat disguised. I don't mind the smoky flavor, but it doesn't seem to gel well with Belgian yeast. It's slightly herbal and leathery at the secondary level. Alcohol is virtually buried, and isn't noticeable at all. It finishes smoky.

Cup o' Kyndness has a body that's on the lighter side of medium. Carbonation is active, but isn't distracting. It needs a little more body to feel smooth, but it doesn't have a bad feel. Drinkability is somewhat average. The flavor's alright, but it grows tiresome. Finishing off an entire 750 will be a chore.

Brewery Ommegang has done a really nice job with some of its recent releases. Cup o' Kyndness is probably my least favorite of the bunch. The smoky flavor is just a little too strong, and seems a little weird playing off Belgian yeast. Just my take. The nose could use a little muscle. More body would be good. Eh. It's just alright. Worth a try? Yeah, if you're into smoky beer.

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Photo of adamette
3.39/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Live review. Poured from the corked and caged 1 pint, 9.4 oz. bottle that I bought for $8.99 at Heinen's in Willoughby Hills, Ohio a few weeks ago into my gold rimmed Ommegang goblet. Best by 08/2012 printed on the neck of the bottle.

A Light brown short lived head over a translucent burgundy body that glows in front of direct light. Look is just alright. 3.0

S Appropriately increased sweet malt smell with a nice grainy (could it be a Belgian yeast?) sensein the background along with a gentle smoky smell too. I am intrigued by this smell. 4.0

T/M Interesting cross between a scotch ale and a rauchbier with a significant grainy sense to the taste as well. You know the grainy taste and feel is something that I have come across before from Ommegang and although sometimes very appropriate (a Belgian Dubbel, Tripel or even Quad come to mind) it does not really work in this beer. I find that I like scotch ales to be rather smooth tasting/feeling with an elevated malt sweetness. This beer certainly is interesting but I find it hard to say that it is "good" for the style. It is undoubtedly an Ommegang version of the Scotch Ale, so for that I suppose it is successful. Additionally, I find the taste to be rather muted, not a quality that I look for from this style. There very well may be too much going on here. 3.5

D I do not see trying this again but I was glad to have it tonight. Again, there is too much going on here for me to want to reach for another one. I would MUCH rather reach for a Ommegang Three Philosophers (and save the $1.50 by the way!). 2.5

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Photo of OBeerMeGreatOne
4.19/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

From notes.
Look: Brown/plum with a 3/4 inch head. Very minimal lace.
Smell: Smoked malts, pear, a little bit of fresh mint leaf.
Taste: Mirrors the smell with a bit of spice and cigar wrapper. A very mild floral hop background.
Mouth: Very light for the style, heavy on carbonation.
Drink: Not high on the ABV and very tasty. A little pricy but I certainly went through a bottle pretty quick. Mmm mmm delicious.

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Photo of scootny
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A thick, firm, light khaki head with great retention but strangely not much lace. Clear reddish brown liquid looks lovely in the glass. Smell is subtle with sweet, malty with bits of heather and earth. Caramel and toffee. Some Belgian fruitiness, a dash of banana and yeasty bread. Taste really brings the Scottish highlands into the fore. Smokey, toasted whole grain bread and butter malt backbone. A bit of sourness that flows into a medicinal edge from the heather. A peaty malt whisky facet. Some Belgo-funk that moves into earthiness and mild hops that finish it off with a fine bit of tea leafiness. Some vinous notes linger as a bit of scone and biscuits rise up with a minty heather flourish. Taste is so close to the next score up for me. Feel is full and smooth with a gentle but rich carbonation. Quite drinkable as I went through my glass faster than I wanted and a perfect ale for the fall and winter.

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Photo of kwjd
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a ruby brown colour with thick off-white head. Big oak and vanilla flavour. Scotch ale smell, spicy sweet with some mild smokiness. Quite a smooth mouthfeel. I really enjoyed this beer, which is quite different from all the other Ommegang beers I've had.

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Photo of dtivp
3.7/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured a ruby brown with a two finger dark off white head which quickly disipated into a ring, very little if any lacing on the glass.

Aroma of bready malt, hint of spice and a floral sweetnes
The spice dominates the taste at first then the malt smooths it out along with a very sweet caramel and brown sugar.

Mouthfeel was a light body with moderate carbonation. The spice gave it a nice winter warming.

This is a nice holiday, winter time ale to enjoy with a fire and snow falling outside. Not my favorite Scotch Ale, it was a little lite for my taste, however, it is an enjoyable beer.

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Photo of PittBeerGirl
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Body is a completely transparent mahogany hue. Bubbles can be seen slowly rising to the top. Pours with a thin foamy off-white head which quickly fades to a thin collar and little to no lacing is left behind in the glass.

S- Nose is moderate in strength and is quite sweet. Caramel, toffee, molasses. Not as thick and heavy as examples of the style higher in ABV- but good and on-par for the style.

T- Taste is similar to the nose and maybe a hair milder. Toffee, caramel malt, and molasses are the main components and the flavor remains fairly consistent throughout. The finish adds a dose of spice and is just the slightest bit smoky in the background which is quite interesting with the caramel/ Scotch Ale flavors.

M-Low to medium carbonation and medium weight full body with a nice molasses stickiness.

D- Though the idea of a belgian style scotch ale is strange me-- I really like this beer. I'm generally a fan of scottish ales- and the addition of the peppery spice (which is what the heather comes across to me as) is quite interesting.

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Photo of krisandajt
3.53/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a deep, dark, ruby brown with a good inch worth of head. Nice retention, and some decent soapy lacing.

Smell: Sweet and malty with a nice Belgian spice note, though everything is mild and somewhat lacking.

Taste: Nice Belgian spice right up front, but I'm having trouble picking up any hints of a scotch ale. Definitely on the sweet side.

Mouthfeel: Body is a little thin, but not too bad. Carbonation is good.

Drinkability: Not a bad drinking brew, just one that I'm not overly impressed with. The flavors are simple and somewhat mild, but what's there is good. I would drink it again if offered, but I wouldn't be in a rush to go out and buy it myself.

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Photo of akorsak
3.88/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 750 mL corked and caged bottle from The Wine Source.

A: The Scottish ale is crimson red color, darker and closer to brown on the spectrum. The ale is opaque, not surprisingly. Along with the dark color, an off-white head of nearly two fingers came along for the ride. Not much in the way of retention though and lacing was unheard of.

S: The nose is malty, a rich melange of breads and caramelized sugars. Smokiness is at a premium, adding just a hint of sweet darkness. A malty delight for the (yet to arrive) snow.

T: Caramelized malts, a dash of smoke, floral sweetness, Belgian yeast. What a package! Dark caramel malts, sweet with both smoke and caramelized sugar. The sweetness is warming. Belgian yeast adds darker fruits, another layer of depth. The heather is a lingering flavor, long after a sip is gone. Pleasantly floral, the Belgo-Scottish union is a success. Still no snow though (3PM).

M: The mouthfeel is robust, delicately tiptoeing the Belgian and Scottish lines. The fuller malts are chewy while the heather is a spicy. Fruity yeasts add the Belgian intrigue.

D: I'd have expected this ale to be a little stronger. It's not and that is a good thing. A good winter warmer from Ommegang.

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Photo of aubuc1
3.58/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750 bottle poured in to a goblet.

Pours a rich brown with a creamy off white head.

Smell is a slightly spicy belgian yeasty with ripe fruit.

Taste is a rich bread with a strong chalky yeast. There is a little bit of sharpness in the middle. Can't find the roasty sweetness.

Very full, creamy mouthfeel.

Pretty drinkable beer, but not what I expected.

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Beer rating: 86 out of 100 with 241 ratings