Altfränkisches Klosterbier | Klosterbrauerei Weissenohe / Klosterbrauerei Weißenohe Wirtshaus

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Altfränkisches KlosterbierAltfränkisches Klosterbier

Brewed by:
Klosterbrauerei Weissenohe / Klosterbrauerei Weißenohe Wirtshaus

Style: Kellerbier / Zwickelbier

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.10%

Availability: Year-round

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Added by HappyHourHero on 07-29-2007

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Ratings: 31 |  Reviews: 17
Reviews by clarknova:
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4.25/5  rDev +15.2%

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Photo of kojevergas
2.89/5  rDev -21.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

500ml brown glass bottle with a faux-traditional label design and a branded pry-off crown cap purchased at Ambrosetti in Berlin. Best before: 09.04.2016. 5.10% ABV. The label offers only "Traditional Franconian beer," with no overt indication of style. I guess I'll decide the style as I go along, which is always fun, but it seems the internet has already decided this is a kellerbier - with no sources provided to back that up.

Reviewed live. Served chilled into a pils glass in Berlin.

APPEARANCE: Pours a beer indicative of low carbonation (with a present but not full or thick head) - which would be consistent with a keller or zwickel - if not for the pale copper body, which is clearly clarified/filtered, has no cloudiness, turbidity, or haze to it. Its clarity and transparency alone rule out its classification as a keller or zwickel, so I'm not sure what to consider it as I press on. Some mild lace does stick to the sides of the glass as the thin head recedes, which takes maybe 3 minutes.

AROMA: Caramalt/copper malt, barley, buttery character, vitaminy yeast. I don't get any of the bung-y damp basement character you'd expect in a keller or zwickel. Hop character is herbal (if anything), but muted and minimal in presence. Usage of CaraMunich and/or crystal malt(s) wouldn't surprise me. Aromatic intensity is average.

I detect no off-notes (unless you're willing to make the leap that the faint buttery note alone is indicative of actual diacetyl), nor booze. Yeast profile is consistent with a keller or zwickel, seeing as it's quite present but also quite plain, pointing to rich vitaminy biscuity character but unclean attenuation. Given the lack of obvious wheat in the malt aromatics, I'm willing to contend that if it is somehow a keller or zwickel that it's not a top-fermented one (as per my understanding, top fermented expressions of the style always use wheat in the malt bill).

TASTE & TEXTURE: Sweeter and more caraMunich/caramalt-forward than any keller or zwickel I've ever had, though there is a hint of that classic keller damp taste, and the yeast presence is consistent with the style. Having sampled it's taste finally, I'd accept it as a keller, if only because it isn't consistent with any other style I'm aware of.

Hop presence is higher than anticipated, with some faint herbal character coming through. The indication is that this is more keller than zwickel - a contention supported also by its merely weak carbonation (where a zwickel would have hardly any at all).

Unbunged basement dampness strengthens in intensity as it warms - or, it could be merely that since I've accepted it as a keller, my brain's tricking me and really I'm just full of shit talking about this beer (maybe both, who knows?).

In any case, for whatever reason, I can imagine its wort having sat in a cellar exposed to the air for 40ish days, so I guess I'm on the right track. It's not a clean beer (except in appearance), but I do suspect lager yeast was used, especially given the low attenuation. I also detect no overt esters, so ale yeast is unsuspected.

I wouldn't call it imbalanced, but it's unbalanced. Certainly simplistic, but it's to style.

Texture-wise, I find it soft, weak, somewhat thin yet medium-bodied, and well-carbonated. Smooth and wet, but unrefreshing. Has the mouthfeel you'd expect in a Middle Ages version of the style, so I suppose that makes this somehow authentic?

OVERALL: A seeming attempt at a traditional kellerbier, Altfränkisches Klosterbier is a drinkable enjoyable brew with plenty of elements of the intended style.

Its clarity and obvious filtration remain a mystery to me, and from the faux-Franconian font on the label to its dubious classification as a klosterbier (after all, when was the last time this brewery was genuinely monastic?) to the strangely irony-unaware quotation from an ostensible beer authority regarding this beer on Weissenohe's website ("Your Altfränkisch has just that taste I remember from 50 years ago"), I find it ultimately a rather disingenuously marketed brew. Weissenohe really wants us to buy that this is authentic and organic and made by monks or at least in a (formerly) monastic brewery and so on.

Really, though, it's just subpar fare in a misunderstood (and vaguely defined) style that isn't all that unique or special, and comes from a brewery at least commercial enough to have negotiated prominent product placement in organic grocery stores across Germany. Americans: imagine Buckfast being sold at Whole Foods stores across the U.S., and you start to get an understanding of the tacit lie at the heart of how this beer (and this brewery) is presented.

In short, it's fine.

C (2.89) / AVERAGE

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Photo of sfprint
4.18/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Black tea orangy red. Very smooth head (1 cm) and tons of vibrant carbonation.

S: Roasted malt, slightly sweet.

T: Ha, well it tastes like a tea made out of toasted malt. It's really quite tea like, a cross between ice tea and beer. But tasty! The alcohol is particularly undetectable.

M: Lightish, softish, with a soft carbonation sting.

D: Great, great, great. Very very easy to drink. Perfect summer beer. This is the best one I've had so far from Weissenohe.

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Photo of DOCRW
4.09/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of philipquarles
4.33/5  rDev +17.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is not a traditional keller/zwickel, but much closer to an Oktoberfest/märzen.

On cask at the Avenue. Pours a slightly hazy orange-amber with a huge, fluffy off-white head. Great lacing. Smells largely of caramel and bready yeast. Earthy. Tastes of big caramel malt, with plenty of earthiness and even a slight bit of smoke. Dryer than one would expect. Light-medium body. This is what an Oktoberfest should be.

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Photo of DrBier
3.75/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of metter98
3.44/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On-tap at Brew Dock, Dublin, Ireland

A: The beer is slightly hazy yellowish amber in color and has a light amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a half finger high off white head that died down, leaving a thick collar around the edge of the glass and lots of lacing down the sides.
S: Light aromas of fruity yeast are present in the nose—apples and bananas seem to stand out in particular.
T: Much like the smell, the taste has fruity flavors of yeast, with apples seeming to stand out in particular. Hints of bready malts are also perceptible.
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied and slightly chewy on the palate with a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This beer didn't seem to have all of the raw yeast flavors that you normally get from a Kellerbier or a Zwickelbier, but the fruity notes from the yeast were pleasant.

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Photo of drmeto
3.87/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

-pours a clear deep amber with a medium frothy white head
-medium carbonation visible
earthy,grassy,big caramel,bready,licorish,roasted malt
-caramel,substantial grassy hop note,bready,spicy,clean finish
-medium body,medium carbonation
This is a Vienna Lager,not a Kellerbier.
And its a good one

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Photo of Thorpe429
3.73/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a gravity cask at Churchkey.

Pours a moderate copper color with a nice white head and a bit of lacing. Smell brings forward a large amount (comparatively) of doughy malt as well as some lighter, apple-ish fruits. Taste brings forward some hop bitterness, with a bit of earth and hints of citrus. Feel was moderate and a bit thicker than most kellers, although still fairly light. Drank fairly well, but was a bit dark and heavy compared with its flavor profile.

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Photo of jlindros
3.8/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Firkin at Max's Taphouse in Baltimore.

Creamy head, hazy orange color.

Nose has hints of creamy malts, slight sweetness and hint of lager like aroma, bit of decoction like softness.

Taste slight sour from being in the Firkin I believe, creamy light toasty malts, light lager fruit, light bitterness, pretty light overall which it should be but just a bit light on the overall malty taste.

Mouth is lighter bodied, just a bit of carbonation due to firkin.

Overall not bad, a bit lighter than it should have been in taste profile.

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Photo of John_M
4.3/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Out of a gravity fed cask at the German festival at Max's.

The beer pours a golden amber color with surprisingly good head retention and lacing. On the nose I get some interesting aromas of burnt sugar and sweet malt, which is quite enticing. Flavors on the palate replicate the nose, though I'm surprised by the amount of flavor this beer has. I also get some flavors of caramel and chocolate, with the beer finishing with just a hint of hoppy bitterness. This is absolutely delicious. Mouthfeel is pretty light, but with a long, smooth finish. Drinkability is exceptional, with the alcohol in this beer no more then an afterthought.

How I wish this beer were a bit more available. This is the sort of beer I could see myself drinking glass after glass of, as it's just that good and easy to drink. Yummy!

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Photo of WillieThreebiers
3.67/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Photo of HappyHourHero
2.56/5  rDev -30.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Sweet aroma is a mix of toasted malt and, unfortunately, a chunk of corn. Tall, foamy, pale tan colored head faded slowly. Tastes like dough and raw grains mixed with a butterscotch corn hybrid. The flavors of a landbier are there, but in the wrong proportions and a bit out of whack. Mouthfeel is watery with hardly any carbonation. A mild beer that manages to be to sweet. Maybe some more hops would balance it out and cover up some of the corny bits. One is enough for me.

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Photo of DefenCorps
4.35/5  rDev +17.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

On cask yesterday at Max's. It's always a pleasure to be surprised by a beer you've never heard of.

Amber with a thin white head. Great clarity. There's a thin head that hangs around a while. On the nose, there's a fresh, earthy hop character with a rich malt backbone with caramel and honey. Clean, this is almost a hybrid of a kellerbier and a marzen. The palate opens mildly bitter with an earthy hop character. Ridiculously deep, there are flavors of caramel, honey, bread, burnt sugar and a mild fruity character with figs and plums. Awesome. The finish is dry and long lasting with a blend of bitterness and sweetness. Light in body with soft carbonation, this beer is a treat to drink.

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Photo of Mebuzzard
3.7/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Haven't had too many of this style.

Pours a rich copper color capped with a nice white head. It foams up a bit, rocky, then fades to a collar, then to nothing. This beer is does not resemble the style listed here. It is clear and clean

Aroma is a bit nutty, toffee, caramel, green grass, some smoke and sweet bread.

Flavor leans more to the toffee and caramel side. The nuttiness isn't all there, but the green grass and spice from the hops (I'm assuming Noble) prevail quite nicely. While they do bite and offer some bitter dryness, the sweetness isn't nullified.
This is quite a nice beer

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Photo of MLDucky
3.77/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Photo of jonb5
2.36/5  rDev -36%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Half litre bottle, copper colour, clear, big thick head. Initially it had a nice grassy hoppy aroma but this faded quickly. First mouthfull was nice and had notes of malt but it went downhill fast and by the end was close to being undrinkable. Mouthfull was ok, only thing acceptable about this beer. Overall poor, not impressed by the brewery, also its a Dunkel.

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Photo of Beerman1977
3.63/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of grahamboudreaux
4.75/5  rDev +28.7%

Photo of Jwale73
3.37/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Thirstybird for the opportunity to try this one. 500ml bottle served in a willibecker. 09.10.14 indicated on the label. Pours a translucent caramel-colored hue with a rocky, 2.5 inch, bright white head that eventually disperses into a consistent 1/8th inch cap. Delicate curlycues of lacing are revealed during the tasting. Nose expresses grains and caramel with a hint of Marzen skunk. Taste consistent with nose; however, it all comes off a bit watery and there is also a faint metallic character at the finish. There's also a slight breadiness to the flavor profile. Mouthfeel is light in body with an average level of carbonation. Overall, just an okay Marzen - nothing to write home about, but I'm glad to have had the opportunity to try it fresh.

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Photo of duceswild
3.09/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Photo of ZethOfTheNorth
4/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Texasfan549
3.4/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of duff247
3.5/5  rDev -5.1%

Photo of samEBC
3.75/5  rDev +1.6%

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Altfränkisches Klosterbier from Klosterbrauerei Weissenohe / Klosterbrauerei Weißenohe Wirtshaus
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