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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
Illinois, United States
flossmoorstation.com

Style: Belgian Strong Dark Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.00%

Availability: Fall

Notes / Commercial Description:
A collaboration of brewers Todd Ashman (FiftyFifty), Zac Triemert (Lucky Bucket), and Matt Van Wyk (Flossmoor Station). Made with Raisins, local honey, Mexican and Indian sugars, orange peel and black cardamom.

Added by orbitalr0x on 09-28-2008

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

BEER STATS
Reviews:
41
Ratings:
53
Avg:
3.88
pDev:
17.53%
 
 
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28
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3
For Trade:
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Photo of largadeer
2/5  rDev -48.5%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Bottle shared by bring. Thanks, Barry.

The beer glugs from the bottle a murky shade of brown, topped by a thin crust that settles to a wispy collar.

Overwhelming candi sugar sweetness, honey and spices assault the nostrils on first whiff. Intense cardamom and citrus - this is a bit of a trainwreck and a good example of how to not use spices in beer.

Overwhelmingly sweet and fruity, like taking a bite into a Maraschino cherry that's been coated in honey and brown sugar. These flavors are soon swept away by intense cardamom and coriander-like spiciness. There's a little fruity tartness in the mid-palate, but it's hardly a saving grace. Pretty much gross, I couldn't handle more than two ounces. Collaborative evil indeed.

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Photo of Crosling
2.53/5  rDev -34.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Dark auburn color, with a thin, creamy, long lasting white head. Nose doesn't have much depth to it and is dominated by spice character. Very thin mouth feel with the flavor being mostly dominated by sour and spice. Lacking anything resembling malt or yeast complexity.

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Photo of nickd717
2.58/5  rDev -33.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

2008 bottle thanks to bring on BA.

Pours dark reddish-brown with a small off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and spiced as hell. Molasses, caramel, allspice, cardamom, and dark fruits.

Flavor is WAY overspiced. Cardamom, allspice, orange peel, raisin, honey, caramel, and molasses.

You can feel the spices on the palate. Medium body.

Overall, not that good. Not balanced at all, and the drinkability is low.

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Photo of corby112
3.03/5  rDev -21.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Received in a trade a while ago with d0b(gone but not forgotten).

Pours a very dark purplish plum/chestnut brown color that is completely opaque with only the faintest bit of dark golden mahogany edges when held to a light source and a one finger frothy light beige head that slowly fades into a lasting ring and cap. Sporadic chunks of lacing are left behind.

Sweet, almost sugary aroma with lots of estery dark fruit notes along with some slightly roasty dark malt character and subtle spice. Hints of raisin, plum, prune, fig, grape and dark berries complimented by subtle roasted malts. There is some additional sweetness in the nose that I'm not sure if it's from the honey or the alcohol character. Subtle earthy yest zesty peppery spice.

Very sweet, slightly chewy medium body with a decent amount of tight carbonation up front that slowly fades throughout the palate. Very prominent sweet, estery dark fruit, especially plum, raisin, prune and fig. There's also a strong grape and dark berry that along with the honey and alcohol profile add an almost unbearable sweetness. The roasted malt from the aroma is very subtle and doesn't provide enough balance to the overbearing sweetness. Slightly earthy with some zesty peppery spice but again this element is overshadowed by the sweetness. There isn't much heat and the high ABV is well masked most of the way through but is very prominent in the finish, giving off a lot of warmth. Overall this is an interesting approach and a good attempt to put a twist on a BSDA but it is insanely sweet, to the point where it can give you diabetes, and is not very well balanced or quaffable. Hopefully the 09 is a bit better. I wanted to trade some big guns for the Ovation but after this I'm not sure. Maybe the barrel aging will improve it?

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Photo of gford217
3.43/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bomber poured into a tulip.

This one pours very dark brown in the glass with a strong reddish tint around the edges. There's a big thick off-white head that shows excellent retention but doesn't leave too much lacing.

The aroma is massively spicy with the cardamom being the most dominant aroma overall. There is lots of brown sugar and dark malts in the background as well as some dark fruit sweetness.

The taste was really surprising and the initial sip had a pretty strong sourness with the caramelized sugar and Belgian yeast forming a solid backbone. The finish brings back the cardamom and leaves a spicy, peppery tingling going down with the orange peel also making an appearance.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied and highly carbonated, maybe a tad light for the style but nothing too distracting.

This is a decent beer, but I wasn't the biggest fan of the sourness in the taste which seemed a little out of place. The spiciness in the nose was also a little overpowering. The former limits the drinkability a bit for me.

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Photo of grub
3.53/5  rDev -9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Jay23 hooked me up with this one as a bonus in a recent trade. big thanks jay!

22oz bottle topped with red wax. sampled jan 31/09.

pours deep red-brown with a small very fine tan head. the head quickly drops to a ring around the glass and leaves a few spots of lace.

aroma is spicy! ridiculously spicy. tons of clove, coriander, cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger. bit of alcohol. there could be more, but it's honestly hard to pick out any other particulars under the thick layers of spice.

taste is intense. waves of spices keep crashing against you. heaps of clove, ginger, nutmeg, coriander, and cinnamon. bit of anise. as the spice starts to fade there's a bit of malt vinegar in the finish. it more feels like vinegar than tastes like it, so it could just be the spice concoction throwing me off. there's some sweet caramel and dark fruit hiding beneath too. bit of raisin and date. touches of white bread and cracker. bit of alcohol.

mouthfeel is ok. medium-high carbonation level. medium-light body. the spicing and/or vinegar character definitely clouds the mouthfeel too.

drinkability is hard to call. this is just such a giant spice mess that it's tough to decide what to do with it. if you like your spice heavy you'll certainly enjoy this beer. i tend to like my spice to be applied more a little more cautiously. still, after a few sips they start to overwhelm and numb your taste buds, making it a little more tolerable. tolerable is really the key word for me - it's not great, but not terrible either. just too much spice for me.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.58/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This has a frothy, dark tan colored head that sits on top of a murky, amber tinged, dark brown colored beer. Wow, this smells strongly of cardamom with a mix of aromatic notes of cola, clove, an at times green herbaceous note and even a distinct hemp like notes. The aroma is also quite herbal, and I was actually a bit surprised by how spicy this was.

The herbal / hemp flavor continues on in the flavor, but there is also lots of expressive cardamom character as well as a clove-like finish to the beer. This is fairly sweet and has a chewy, rich, viscous bodied, amply maltiness to it as well. The herbal notes are interesting in their intensity; at times it is mint-like and at others more menthol oriented, but both are probably a result of the dominant cardamom character. Underneath all the spice character, and accentuated by the rich malt character, is a hidden, rich, fruity backdrop that adds notes of raisins and figs.

Once tasted, I realized this was obviously quite amply spiced. This will most definitely age quite well for quite some time, especially since the spice character is fairly intense. It is not spiced to overwhelming levels though and, despite all my focus / complaining, is even fairly enjoyable fresh, but I definitely prefer a much more subtle approach to spicing beers.

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Photo of Viggo
3.68/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

650 ml bottle, big thanks to grub for sharing with me.

Pours a murky dark orange brown, some dark reddish hues in the corner, thick off white head forms, drops to a really solid ring around the glass, lots of lacing, good retention, nice layer for the whole glass. Smell is very spicy, lots of raisin, some chocolate roast, ginger and cinnamon, cake, honey, yeast, some sweetness thats overpowered by a ton of spice. Taste is weird, very spicy, ginger and raisins, honey, sweet fruit, cinnamon, cloves, some sour/vinegar notes, some orange peel/lemony notes, very spicy and lots of cake/cookie character. Some molasses/brown sugar sweetness, figs and raisins, kind of all over the place. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with medium carbonation, alcohol is well hidden but the spice is a bit out of control. Has kind of a strange sour/acedic note as it goes down thats a bit tough but I enjoy this more as I drink it, at least its interesting.

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Photo of miketd
3.81/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to D0b for the bottle. Pour is dark brown with a small beige head. Aroma is cinnamon, spicy, sweet malts and caramel. Flavor starts of very malty with spice. More flavor emerges with warmth. A bit of alcohol. Nice beer and im glad to have another bottle.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
3.85/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Strange beer, and not at all what I was expecting. It definitely has a strange clend of spice and sour to it with lots of raisiny fruit. Pours deep brown with a scant head. Smells strongly of sultanas and herbs and spices. An aroma of Rosemary seems especially noticeable, or another very piney herb. The taste starts sour- which is a surprise, and moves back into raisin territory with more pungent herbs and some late sweet cherries. Very unusual. It's a bit much overall. The sour and the herbs together are a little jarring, and the raisins make it a little over the top. It reminds me a bit of Avery 15, but with more herbal punch. I'm glad I tried it, and I'd probably have some again just because it is so unusual, but I can't say its anywhere near my favorite.

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Photo of jwinship83
3.87/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A- murky dark brown body with red around the edges and a finger of lasting cream colored head. very little lacing left on the sides of the glass.

S- lost of yeast. some spices. very fruity. banana, raisins, plums, figs. a hint of alcohol.

T- lots of sweet malts. figs, raisins, honey, and various spices

M- thin and almost watery with a nice high level of carbonation

D- an easy sipper. a little more than one bottle would be great. too bad its a limited release. the alcohol is pretty well hidden.

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Photo of prototypic
3.9/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to DIPA for the bottle.

The 2008 Collaborative Evil release pours a dark copper color. It’s very hazy. Might even be some yeast particles floating around. Backlighting shows some really nice crimson highlights. A tan head covers it. Carbonation looks active and yields a head that’s over two fingers tall. It recedes to a surface covering rather quickly. Lacing was a little sticky and moderate.

The nose is good. It smells a bit spicy up front. Pepper, orange clove, and perhaps a little clove are noted. Dark fruit is quite prominent. Smells like raisin mostly. Sweet caramel, honey, and Belgian yeast are all noted and add nice depth. It’s a bit more complex than I anticipated. Light cocoa and a bread-like scent are secondary, but smell nice. Alcohol is easily noted. Smells a little strong, but isn’t overly offensive. Pretty good smelling stuff.

The flavor is quite good, as well. Light caramel and cocoa are noted up front. It tastes a little sweet. It does have a nice bready flavor. Belgian yeast is very subtle. More would be better. Dark fruit flavors of raisin and light plum and are noted. Honey is rather prominent in the mix. It works better than anticipated. Spicy notes of pepper, light clove, and orange peel emerge late. They seem a tad strong for what it is. A little restraint would’ve helped. Alcohol is there, but isn’t warm or hot. Finishes spicy and raisiny.

Collaborative Evil has a light-medium body. Carbonation is active, but doesn’t feel buzzy. The feel is just okay. Honestly, it’s a bit average for a Belgian style.

The 2008 release of Collaborative Evil is pretty good. It could be better. The spicy flavors tend to be a little overbearing, and the body could use a little finesse. It’s pretty tasty though. I’m enjoying it overall. Over the past 3 or 4 years, it’s held up pretty well. Not sure it will be improving a great deal from here on out though. If you’ve got a bottle, crack it open.

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Photo of brdc
3.9/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to a generous BA for this sample.

Reddish brown in color, with a dark tan head, nice retention and lacing.
Nice aroma, dark fruits, cardamom, some herbs, lots of spices.
Full bodied, starts fairly sweet, malty, and heavily spiced, but fairly low bitterness to be noticed. Lots of fruits, dark ones, as expected.
Good, might turn great with some aging; spices are a bit too prominent right now.

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Photo of BeerZack
3.92/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Murky brownish, like dirty bathwater, with soapy covering.

At first its very spicy and hot. After the alcohol dies down a bit, lots of other things come out. Citrus fruit? Sour candy?

Taste was really unexpected. Spice is there, but a little subdued by the unexpected sourness. Get the same sour Mike & Ike candy flavor as in the nose.

Mouth waters a bit from the sourness, adding to the light mouthfeel, fairly low carbonation.

Wasn't sure what to expect but I was pleasantly surprised with this one. Kinda weird, but good in moderation.

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Photo of FtownThrowDown
3.92/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a very dark brown in color. Lots of carbonation bubbles running up the sides of the glass. A little ring of froth around the edges of the glass and a film sits atop the center.
Smell is dark belgian malts, some very dark fruit, probably plum and some tobacco roastiness.
Taste has some bit of sour tartness to it. Don't know if this is coming from the dark fruit flavors present, but it works well. You would never guess it from the notes in the smell. Plenty of carbonation and good mouthfeel. Good beer. I would of liked it to be a bit smoother, but this is still a very enjoyable beer.

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Photo of Spica66
3.92/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Got this in trade from DavidEddie. Thanks, Dave!

Shared with gwuilliums. From cellar into tulips.

A: Deep red-brown color. This head, not much retention. Some lacing.

S: Fruity, spicy. Very aromatic.

T: Raisins and dark fruit and a spice on the finish that was slightly herbal. Just slightly sour. No hops.

M: Thin for this style. Excellent carbonation.

O: A little too much raisin for me. Of course, this is now three years aged. Maybe hops would have been present to offset the raisins earlier in its life...

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Photo of Phyl21ca
3.93/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle: Poured a hazy deep burgundy color ale with a relatively large foamy head with good retention and some lacing. Aroma of dry raisins with sweet honey notes and residual candi sugar is pleasant though quite sweet. Taste is also dominated by dry raisins with sweet honey notes with deep caramelized malt with residual sugar notes. Body is full with somewhat of an oily texture with medium to good carbonation and light warming alcohol notes. This is a big sweet beers which is enjoyable but would have probably benefited form additional attenuation.

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Photo of MasterSki
3.94/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle courtesy of d0b. Shared as part of a Collaborative Evil "diagonal" at Goose Island. Served in a taster glass.

A - Pours with a thin tan foam that settles to a thick collar, but leaves minimal lace. Murky raisin brown color. Not much of a looker here.

S - Cardamom, nebulous spices, raisins, some cocoa, dark fruits, light oxidation. Strangely chai tea-like in some ways. Surprised how strongly the spices have held up.

T - Taste has an odd sour cherry note, but if it's an infection it's stalled out at the same level for the last two years. Cocoa and dark fruit malt and fruity esters, but not much overt "Belgian yeast". Spices are far lower profile.

M - Somewhat zesty carbonation, medium body, sticky finish that also has a bit of tannic character to it as well. Was surprised that this was 10% - I knew that, but had forgotten.

D - This has aged quite well, and I'm not totally sure the sour note is infection (but I could be wrong). If you had spiced beers, you'll probably despise this, but I find it works far better than something like Poppaskull. I find it strangely compelling, and found Ovation to be pretty good as well.

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Photo of brentk56
3.95/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Arrives at the bar with a burnt caramel color and a very modest head which leaves a bit of lace before morphing into a ringlet

Smell: Dried cardomom dominates along with cherry, ginger and Cheerwine (you have to be from NC to get this)

Taste: Opens with a cherry flavor that is joined by the cardomom, cinnamon and ginger flavors at mid-palate; lots of dark fruit and candi sugar aspects in there, too; after the spices dominate the flavor profile, although there are some yeasty dark fruit elements discernable underneath

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body but a bit undercarbonated for a Belgian style

Drinkability: The spice profile is very interesting and a nice experiment but, to my palate, a bit overwhelming relative to the BSDA elements; it would be a much better beer if the two aspects were reversed

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Photo of HopHead84
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Matt. Consumed on 11/21/2009 and poured into a snifter. The beer is deep crimson with a frothy beige one inch head and good retention. Lacing is scattered.

The nose opens with raisins and currants. The sugar component is candied Belgian and brown. There's a dash of vanilla with orange peel and sweet honey. The malt is bready and alcohol is well hidden. Awesome nose.

The flavor is bready malt with a mild cherry tartness. Hmmmm, I don't remember that from when I tried it fresh. Notes of honey, candied sugar, and brown sugar are evident. I have here in my notes "yum," so I'll add that on. The finish is tart raisins, cherries, and currants. Nice spiced Belgian dark strong.

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Photo of Mistofminn
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Mothman for breaking this bad boy open at a recent tasting.

The beer is a dark, clear mahogany color, with a one finger beige head that sits on top. Good retention and leaves some spattered lacing.

The nose is very fruity and spicey. I get a little bit of Candi sugar, a bready maltiness with honey and nutmeg, and a hint of alcohol. Fairly complex and enjoyable.

The flavor is just like the nose, a sweet fruitiness with a touch of tart. Cherries and raisins, Candi sugar and bready malts. A significant spice portion, stronger than I expected. I get cinnamon and nutmeg, among others.

Medium in body, with a soft carbonation and a slightly sticky feel. Drinkability is good on this one.

Overall, I actually wasn't expecting this to be this good. I haven't really found an example of the Belgian Strong Dark Ale that I thought was worth the price I paid for it, but I really enjoyed this one. Thanks Ben for the chance.

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Photo of brewandbbq
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22oz bottle warmed up from the fridge.

Pours dark chestnut with a ruby hue and a half inch of beige foam. Threads and dots of lacing throughout the glass as well as a partial skim coat on the surface.

Aromatics lead off with spices, raisins, plums, and dark rum. Nutmeg up front with licorice, honey-drizzeled cloves, and burnt caramel riding atop a firm malt base. Lightly peppery with a tinge of medicinal undertones.

On the fuller side of medium bodied with a mouthfeel that stops short of chewy.

Ripe fruit, plump raisins, and dark rum start the palate. Dark cherries, clovey phenols, and vineous alcohol follow through.

Finishes with lingering dark fruit, peppery spice, building tartness, and boozy overtones.

The tartness was unexpected and I'm wondering if it was intentional? Not much mention of it in early reviews..Hmmmm.
The spicing is a bit strong for my tastes, and the alcohol could use some mellowing also. A great cellar candidate it would seem though.
Probably more in the neighborhood of a Grand Cru
at the present though.

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Photo of paulthebeerguru
4.02/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: deep rich mahogany color. full bodied dark tan head, good retention, nice lacing.

S: big fruity aroma of dates, raisins and figs. sweet notes of rich dark malts. big spice aroma, clove, nutmeg and some thyme.

T: good malt body with a decent hop palate. major tones of honey, raisins, figs, and plums. solid spice character, mostly clove. light sourness/tartness.

ML medium bodied. big carbonation level. a little harsh, but rather smooth for the ABV. very warming.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.05/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

"The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people."

--Frank Kent

Pecan shell brown with generous tangerine highlights... that becomes glossy russet when backlit with afternoon sunshine. A vigorous pour has created three fingers of golden ecru colored foam that has an attractive texture and is leaving a fair amount of sea foam lace. Not a stunner, but it'll do nicely.

The aroma is dominated by dark malts and by two of the additional ingredients. An orange peel citrusiness is in the background and cardamom is in the foreground. I hope Matt didn't go too crazy with that spice since it's pretty aggressive and tends to take over whatever it's used in.

Collaborative Evil actually tastes like a BSDA. That's probably because the Belgians aren't especially style-conscious and tend to add all manner of things to their strong dark beer. It's also very well-behaved for a 10.0% ale, although more than one year in the bottle tends to help in that regard.

Putting flavor in terms of color, the malts taste midway between brown and black, which is pretty much like most BSDAs. Despite a decent amount of malt, two sugars and honey, CE 2008 isn't overly sweet. In fact, I'd go so far as to call it balanced. The various flavors are also integrated into a cohesive whole, especially given what was added.

Steely caramel and raisins are responsible for the darker flavors. Orange peel contributes a tangy fruitiness and coriander adds a warm spiciness, both of which become more bold with warming. Interesting and delicious is a sure-fire combination when it comes to big beer. Or any beer for that matter.

The body/mouthfeel is the only fly in the ointment. It's on the thinnish side for the style and doesn't have enough bubbles to provide the creamy expansiveness that I look for. This is the only place where the beer's age is apparent.

Collaborative Evil 2008 is damn good beer that could just as easily have earned the next highest flavor score. Sweet-bitter-tangy-spicy is a killer combination more often than not. I'd love for Flossmoor Station to brew this recipe again, but I'm also excited to taste what the new version has to offer. Thanks for rooting through the cellar Bryan.

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Photo of emerge077
4.1/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours in to a Duvel tulip a dark shade of brown that glows crimson when backlit. A finger or two of tan foam rise above the rim, and slowly recede. Swirling rekindles the head immediately.

Raisin, spiced cookies, it's bready like a doppelbock, but smells more like a Trappist. Some faint cola sweetness, fig and plum.

I had read about the tartness development, and noticed it right away when tasting this bottle. Not sure that this was intentional, since it wasn't present when fresh. Luckily it compliments the residual sweetness and spices present. When fresh it was pretty phenolic and warm with alcohol, now the heat isn't noticeable at all. There's still some honey laced banana bread in the background and trace cardamom, behind the tart berry flavor. Leather and tobacco blend into the initial tartness, reminding me of a Flanders Oud Bruin. The light astringency works against it, though it's fairly full bodied and well carbonated. Honey and spices in the pleasant aftertaste.

Looking forward to the next release...

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Collaborative Evil 2008 from Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
3.88 out of 5 based on 53 ratings.
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