Not The Stoic
Deschutes Brewery

Not The StoicNot The Stoic
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Quadrupel (Quad)
4.16 | pDev: 8.65%
Deschutes Brewery
Oregon, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Not The StoicNot The Stoic
Notes: Brewed with pomegranate & molasses, 15% aged in oak wine barrels, 15% aged in oak rye barrels.
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Keepnitrl from Washington

4.24/5  rDev +1.9%

Sep 27, 2014
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jngrizzaffi from Texas

4.08/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Pours a dark amber color with a thin foamy head. Retention is decent. Aroma of dark fruits, molasses, high alcohol. Very sweet taste. Strong molasses, mild caramel and dark fruits. Medium bodied with mild carbonation. Alcohol content very evident.

Feb 26, 2017
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BladesOfBarley from Illinois

4.39/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.75

So, me and my friend were talking about beer the other day. And were discussing last summers Black Butte XXVI, and whether or not the flavor changed at all just half way through the aging process. And we found it wasn't all too different from when it was released. Which got me thinking; I wonder how Not the Stoic is fairing... which, brings us to me, sitting here, drinking it to some Miles Davis.

After tearing off the wax seal and cracking open this bad boy, I poured it a Chimay glass. Great pour, slow and smooth. Shining, a deep red amber, a true treat to the eyes. Only a little head, a slightly brown opaque, decent amount of carbonation. Aromas of dark fruits, caramel, brown sugar and a grace note of booze fill the nostrils, rich and full, perfect for an ice cold night like this one, or in the summer as a good after noon sipper.

As if the appearance and aroma weren't good enough, the flavors really hit the ball out of the pork on this one. Starts of with sweet, dark fruit and brown sugar, followed quickly with subtle wine, oak and caramel. After warming up a bit, the dark fruit flavors and alcohol become more upfront, which in turn really ups the flavor up another notch, hitting your taste buds with a gentle fist.

My only will gripe, is that I, a foolish mortal, decided to open it only half way through the 'drink after' date. Yes, it's a delicious beer, and I would recommend it to any curious beerhead or Belgian fanatic. A great riff on the style, and a great release by Deschutes, whom I salute on making stellar beers. I'd recommend on sitting on this for a whole year or even more, because although it's great now, in a year or more it will be super excellent.

Cheers, you filthy maniacs!

Jan 05, 2015
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Jugs_McGhee from Louisiana

3.46/5  rDev -16.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

BOTTLE: 1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with black wax-ed over unbranded black pry-off pressure cap and classy understated label art served chilled & side-poured into a snifter at low altitude in Austin, TX. Expectations are sky high. Allowed to warm during consumption. "Best after 04/2215." 12.1% ABV.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: One finger wide. Pale khaki-white colour. Decent thickness and creaminess. Below average (~1 minute) retention. Leaves no lacing as it quickly recedes. Overall, this head is unimpressive. Not the long-lasting yet delicate and fragile head of the best beers in the style.

BODY: A liqueur-esque amber-brown with garnet and orange hues. Semitransparent. Translucent. It has an understated glow when backlit, but I wouldn't call it vibrant. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible within.

I can't say the appearance has me salivating, but there're no egregious flaws - it's just underwhelming.

AROMA: Pomegranate seeds, rose grapes, supple grapeskin, sherry wine, deep amber malts, wood sugars, neutral white oak, a kiss of spicy rye, some toffee, and marvelous fruity notes on the back end - plump grapes, plum, blackberry, fig, date, and prune.

Nicely sweet.

I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of oaky toastiness. I'd also like more of a Belgian character, ideally via some biscuity yeast. Hop presence is (aptly) minimal.

As it warms, I pick up on some red apple/apple skin, raisin, apple cidre, and pear.

Unfortunately, I don't detect any whiskey notes.

Overall, it's a pleasant aroma of moderate strength and suggests a very intricately built quad with a fruit emphasis. The pomegranate is particular is unique and appealing. The barrel notes seem to fit the base, playing on its dominant fruitiness. I'm really looking forward to the first sip.

TASTE: The lightly syrupy fruit core is the first thing I notice, largely because it dominates the flavour profile - especially early in the second act. The spiciness of the rye hits in the late second act, joined by a surge of the white oak (though sadly, the oak isn't particularly refined or toasty). Maybe there's a bit of spicy whiskey in there too...

The fruits are lovely; a bit like marmalade. Pomegranate is unique here, lending this brew a deep but bright red fruit sweetness which is well complemented by the darker plum, fig, and date notes. The prune in the aroma is largely absent here, and I'm not finding much raisin. Grape does make an appearance, as does red wine; I'm not a wine guy but I'd guess it's sherry. It's not so sweet as to be a dessert wine like port, and the flavour profile itself - while sweet - is never cloying or dessert-wine redolent.

Some acidity is certainly noticeable - partly from the pomegranate but also from some cidery and apple skin notes. It's just a biteen tart, which works well for it. Ale esters are abundant.

Overall, I find the supple fruit emphasis effective within this build, but ultimately this flavour profile isn't on par with that of the best quads out there. The flavours are assertive rather than fragile and/or delicate, and while the unique fruit makes this a brew I'm really enjoying, the balance isn't impeccable; more of a guiding oak presence would help lend this still more cohesion. It delivers the depth and complexity promised by the label, and it's certainly an intricately constructed brew. I quite like it.

Above average intensity and duration of flavour.

As it warms, some rum-soaked fruit creeps in, and out comes some raisiny notes, as well as a kiss of toffee, some clove, and a bit of pepper. Maybe brandy?

Boy is this a rich flavour profile.

TEXTURE: I didn't anticipate the acidity and subtle tartness of this beer. It's smooth and wet, but unrefreshing. It's just too full-bodied and thick to be as effortlessly drinkable as the best Trappist or abbey quads. Has a heavy, filling presence on the palate. It's also slightly syrupy. Shockingly, the 12.10% ABV isn't too noticeable, though it does lend some pleasing warmth.

Not oily, gushed, hot, boozy, astringent, harsh, rough, or scratchy.

Overall, this texture complements the taste well, but lacks the fragility and delicacy needed to elevate this beer to world-class level.

OVERALL: She's not quite a sipper, but make no mistake - she takes a while to work through. I admit I prefer the original The Stoic, but this is nevertheless a special quad with some really unique pomegranate notes. I'd like to see Deschutes hone that fruity character in future Belgian style brews. As much as I like this, I do think the $16.00 pricetag is a bit steep, though I'd still liken the beer to a fine wine, and can see this developing incredibly with age. I intend to revisit this when it's older to see how it develops. I'll enjoy greedily finishing the bottle alone, but I hoped for better given the quality of the original The Stoic. That said, I'd recommend every beer enthusiast give this one a go.

Low B



Don't age.

Sep 26, 2014
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BEERchitect from Kentucky

4.27/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Let's be clear: The Stoic isn't all that great. It's ok, but complaints about various shelf-life issues causes the beer to resonate with craft beer consumers with varying degrees of popularity and notoriety. But the Deschutes brewers know that the recipe could be done with better justice. So to be clear, this is Not The Stoic.

Whatever it is, is a marvelously dark garnet beer with a deep and ominous gaze. As its creamy froth settles, mouth-whetting aromas of port wine, sherry, brandy and deep toffee sweetness completely mesmerize the soul. Grape and prune give soothing earthen sweetness and allow the early taste to meld seamlessly with its savory aroma.

Its dense and bready-sweet middle palate unfolds with molasses, brown sugar and spice cake. Cobbled fruit flavors lead with grape, but follow with blackberry, raisin, date, fig, plum and tangy pomegranate. Its barrel contributions are sweet, husken, nutty and slathered with those booze-soaked oak, as well as premiere oxidized succulence- taking on port and sherry proportions.

Spicy, warm and continuing savory flavors seep deep into the tastebuds and are reluctant to release, saturating the late taste with dessert like effects that render the ale as a sipping after dinner delight. Its full upstart finishes malty-sweet with balancing vinous and whisky spice that play onward, well into the next sip.

Jul 17, 2014
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russpowell from Arkansas

4/5  rDev -3.8%

Pours a slightly effervescent orange tinged scarlet with a sliver of tan head. Says effervescent. Not much head retention & or lacing , stays bright (2.75)

S: Plums, raisins, black currants & booze, leafy hops (3.5)

T: Juicy fruit, plums, dryness, raisins & booze, some apple skins up front. Raisins, plums, dryness, faint juicy fruit & figs as this warms. Finishes with some cidery acidic notes, pears, white grapes, oakyness, & leafy hops, figgyness (4.25)

MF: Medium bodied, slight over carbonated, a touch boozey, a little slick, some acidic notes biting at the enamel on my teeth, I like it! ( 4.0)

Goes down fairly easy, but interesting. This beer's best days are ahead of it, but can't find much fault with the taste right now (4.0)

Aug 27, 2014
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jdense from Oregon

4/5  rDev -3.8%

The barrel aging and blending adds a bit of complexity. Mouthfeel is a bit thin, and not picking up the pronounced raisin aroma and taste I expect for the style. The use of Rye barrels added a bit of spiciness which was nice. Could definitely use some cellaring.

Aug 27, 2014
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StraightNoChaser from Georgia

4.31/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

look: guess i'm in the minority but i find this gorgeous. Clear copper with a modest tan head.
smell: Yeasty, dark fruits (i guess pomegranate, i'm just not familiar enough to single that out). Molasses too though not aggressive at all. A rich though not overstated nose. Barrel treatment has imparted a deep and wonderful nose without being overt.
taste: not quite up to the nose but doesn't disappoint. Rich yet subdued with all the flavors of the nose.

Apr 29, 2015
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LambicPentameter from Nebraska

4.21/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Enjoyed out of a 22 oz brown bomber with black wax covering the crown and about half of the neck. A "best after" date of 4/22/15 is marked on the side of the label, but we'll see how it is fresh before deciding if it's worth buying a second bottle to have it at "optimal" age. Poured into a large snifter.

Appearance - Pours a dark burgundy brown with deep garnet highlights when held up to the light. After it's been drank down enough to allow light to pass through easily, it takes on an overall ruby characteristic. Atop the body sits a finger of effervescent, active brown sugar colored foam which recedes after a couple minutes, leaving sparse islands of bubbles across an otherwise clear surface and a ringlet around the edges of the glass. Lacing is sparse and doesn't last.

Smell - Some of the typical dark fruit notes that are common in quads are present here--mostly plum with some raisin--but there is also a brighter, more overtly fruity aspect from the pomegranate molasses that brings to mind red fruits and berries, which is only enhnaced by the faint vinous element from the partial wine barrel aging. The rye barrels also make an appearance, with brown sugar and vanilla providing some subtle undertones to the overall aroma.

Taste - As with the smell, there is a heavy presence of fruit, partially from the molasses, and partially from the esters in the yeast. And yes, the wine must characteristics come through, reminiscent of merlot grapes. On the finish is a pleasant sweetness with vanilla, light oak and a pinch of spiciness from the rye barrels, as well as some noticeable alcohol heat.

Mouthfeel - Medium-bodied with low carbonation and a sweet finish with lingering alcohol burn, but not strong.

Overall, a very tasty beer that was good enough for me to buy a second bottle to see how it tastes at its "best". It's been a long time since I had the original Stoic, but if my memory is correct, I think I prefer this one a little better. Of course, my palate has likely changed a great deal since then anyway, so it's probably an irrelevant distinction. Ultimately, this is a well done beer, as long as you aren't expecting a "traditional" quad.

Jun 11, 2014
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DrJones from Iowa

4.5/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Jul 21, 2015
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BuckeyeFaninMI from Michigan

4.25/5  rDev +2.2%

Jun 10, 2014
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mschrei from Illinois

4.5/5  rDev +8.2%

Aug 10, 2014
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marcusdclifton from Utah

5/5  rDev +20.2%

Aug 15, 2014
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ilikebeer03 from Texas

4/5  rDev -3.8%

Nov 11, 2014
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TheDudeAbides14 from Texas

4/5  rDev -3.8%

Sep 05, 2014
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Rbodacious from Virginia

4.5/5  rDev +8.2%

Nov 30, 2014
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joeseppy from Illinois

4.28/5  rDev +2.9%

Uprush cascading head leaving a hefty one inch head that will ebb soon to a thin cap.
Brown in color with amber hues.

Initial aroma of caramel. Soon developing are raisins and light molasses.

A mellifluous rustic flavor of raisins, molasses and hard candy. As this rises in temperature more alcohol is evident in the aftertaste then onto the olfactories. I believe this is listed at around 12 percent alcohol but damn it's tasty. This brings to mind mincemeat pie.

Silky smooth and creamy.

This craft demands you take time with it and I am. Very nice indeed!

Oct 03, 2014
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Kate_Zacarias from Texas

4.25/5  rDev +2.2%

Delicious, now to buy a bottle and put some age on it :)

Sep 03, 2014
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Odysseyalien from New Jersey

4.25/5  rDev +2.2%

May 10, 2014
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Eaglefan344 from Missouri

4/5  rDev -3.8%

Jun 12, 2014
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mjhall1989 from New York

4.35/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Jun 05, 2016
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Sparky44 from Illinois

4/5  rDev -3.8%

Aug 02, 2014
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richj1970 from Alabama

4.1/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from 22 oz bomber into snifter glass. Bottle dated best after 4/12/2015.

A: Pours a deep mahogany brown with subtle cherry red tones. Smallish one finger tan head that settled quickly to a thin ring around the edge. Very little lacing.

S: Cherry, plum, and dates. Sweet caramel. Some alcohol that reminds me of Irish whiskey.

T: Plenty of dark fruits. Plum, dates, raisins. Belgian candy sugar. Slight hint of peppery spice at the end.

M: Medium body and lightly carbonated. Nice fruity punch and sweet finish. A little alcohol heat at the end.

O: Solid American interpretation of a Belgian Quad. Very easy drinking.

Aug 11, 2014
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DrMindbender from South Carolina

4.25/5  rDev +2.2%

Nov 12, 2014
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BKotch from Texas

4.5/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Best after 4/22/15, so 6 years old. This might be the best aged beer I've ever had. Looks great, dark brown with a big beige head. Fruity aroma. Great fruity flavor with some molasses sweetness. Mouthfeel incredibly might still be a bit over-carbed (only for the style). An easy 4.5 overall.

May 14, 2020
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