Not The Stoic
Deschutes Brewery

Not The StoicNot The Stoic
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Style:
Belgian Quadrupel (Quad)
ABV:
12%
Score:
92
Avg:
4.16 | pDev: 8.65%
Reviews:
106
Ratings:
740
From:
Deschutes Brewery
 
Oregon, United States
Avail:
Retired (no longer brewed)
Wants
  59
Gots
  272
SCORE
92
Outstanding
Not The StoicNot The Stoic
Notes: Brewed with pomegranate & molasses, 15% aged in oak wine barrels, 15% aged in oak rye barrels.
Reviews: 106 | Ratings: 740
Photo of JamesStreet
4.12/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Look - pours a murky, garnet color with a small 1/2" off-white head. Little retention, little to no lace.
Smell - Upfront, I get red wine barrels, a strong oak presence, raisins, figs, dates, some sweetness from the molasses and a bit of booziness.
Taste - Somewhat dry tannin presence from the wine barrels, definitely get the normal attributes from a Belgian quad - stoned fruit, big yeast presence. Not getting much of the rye whiskey component. As the beer warmed, I began picking up subtle notes of the sweet pomegranate.
Feel - Medium-bodied with a moderate carbonation. Mixes sweet with the dry presence from the wine barrel aging. The booze is definitely present in this one. There's no sneaking in a 12% abv.
Overall - I like that it was a different take on a Belgian Quad. I would've liked a bit more rye whisky presence but still a nice beer. Too bad it is no longer made.

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Photo of TruePerception
3.8/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Deschutes' Not The Stoic, Belgian Quad brewed with pomegranate molasses, and 15% aged in wine barrels/15% aged in rye barrels. 12.1% ABV. "Best after 4/22/15"

A: About a finger of decently active, slightly tan head. Very clear burgundy red. Honeyed yellow in the dimple. Decent sheeting and lacing.

S: The booziness of the barrels shines through quite well on the nose, as does the pomegranate molasses. Malt backbone is noticeable, but hidden.

T/MF: Hmm. Very dry, actually. Again the molasses and wine barrels have a strong influence, and it finishes with a distinct rye spice. I don't get a lot of "beer", though. The body is very "juicy", which is weird. There's also a pretty solid char note on the back end; likely from the rye barrels.

Very light for a Quad, and not what I was hoping for, for the evening. It feels like the beer isn't strong enough to hang the other elements on.

Poured from a 22 oz. bottle, into a Belgian tulip glass.

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Photo of ThickNStout
4.31/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

22oz bottle from BeerShip.com. Bottled 4/22/14. Served in a Barrel and Barley teku.

Pours a deep purple burgundy with a finger and a half ecrue head. Once the froth crackles away only a wire-thin ring remains. Despite the lack of substantial retention or any lace this is still a nice looking brew.

Smells of sweet pomegranates, wine, oak, caramel, whiskey and vanilla. Even sweeter and more enticing as it nears room temperature

The fruit, molasses and blending of barrels really pays off in the flavor. Dark fruit, caramel, oak, wine, whiskey, molasses, toffee, fruity yeast, raw sugar, leather and a soft nip of alcohol. Remarkable how much barrel character shines through for the relatively low ratio mixed into the final blend. Between the pomegranate, molasses and barrel combination this is a rich, complex and quite enjoyable American quad that is dangerously easy to drink for its 12+% abv.

Creamy, full feel with moderate carbonation. Dark fruit, natural sugars and oak linger in the finish.

Not The Stoic displays excellent balance of base, adjunct and barrel. Deschutes seems to have somehow maximized/ optimized barrel character from a low overall blend, achieving more flavor from 30% of the final product having been in barrels than many 50-100% barrel aged beers that I've tried. I'm glad I procured multiples because this is drinking great now and I anticipate a delicious evolution over the next year or two.

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Photo of Franziskaner
3.98/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Dark brown in color with little penetration to light. There's a fingernail of beige around the rim and the majority of the top. I smell whiskey, oak, alcohol, pinot noir, and pomegranate in that order. I taste whiskey, alcohol, oak, pinot noir, and pomegranate. It looks like the nose and the flavors are totally in line. The mouth is slightly stickier than The Stoic, with a bit of warmth from the alcohol. This is very dry.

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Photo of bluejacket74
4.24/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

22 ounce bottle, label says 12.1% ABV, best after 04/22/15. Served in a DFH Signature Glass, the beer pours a hazy reddish/brown color with about a half inch light tan head that stayed around for a while. There's also a good amount of lacing. The brew smells like dark fruit, molasses, pomegranate, oak and some rye whiskey. I think the taste is similar to the aroma, but with the addition of red grapes/wine and bready malt. The booziness seems to be well hidden in this, it sure doesn't taste like it's 12%. Mouthfeel/body is medium/full, it's coating and smooth with a moderate amount of carbonation. I thought this was a good Quad, I wouldn't mind picking up another bottle if I came across one again.

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Photo of Strix
4.52/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Best after 4/22/15

Pours a murky tan, good initial head that fades to nothing.

Dark fruit, whiskey, belgian yeast, carmel, port.

Cherry, pomegranate, caramel, molassess, brown sugar, whiskey, raisin, vanilla. A little boozier, richer, and darker and less yeasty and floral than perhaps your average quad, but that isn't a knock in my book.

Super smooth and slick.

I really enjoyed this and am glad I was able to sit on it awhile. A really nicely executed, complex sipper.

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Photo of scottfrie
3.79/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

22oz bottle into snifter. Best after 4/22/15.

A: Pours a ruddy woody brown with a thin and short lived tan head that faded to a wispy film. A few thin streaks of lace were left down the glass.
S: Grape juice, sweet dark fruits, raisin, hints of sweet jammy fruits including raspberry and boysenberry, and fruit punch. I know there is pomegranate in this, but those are the flavors it imparts to me. Hints of brandy and molasses as well.
T: Still getting a ton of grape juice but the sweet fruit from the nose is much more pomegranate flavored on the mouth. Molasses is very noticeable in the finish, along with a decent amount of woody booze and hints of spicy rye. This tastes like boozy super sweet spicy fruit juice.
M: Border line cloyingly sweet mouthfeel, thick and slick, full body, low carbonation. Spicy tingly feeling is left after the swallow. Peppery.
O: I could appreciated this and I think it was well executed, but this was too sweet for me. There is a lot going on in this one, maybe too much.

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Photo of Chico1985
4.19/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

2014 bottling, best after 4/22/15. Bought this out in Cali last year and shared while camping this past weekend.

A - Blood red beer, beige head. Good retention and bits of lace left.

S - Big dark fruit, pomegranate, rye whiskey barrel.

T - Dark fruit, pomegranate, and molasses definitely up front with whiskey, wine and oak each noticeable as well. A pretty impressive plethora of flavors, though not much for Belgian yeast character.

M - Very velvety smooth, good carbonation, pretty minimal alcohol heat.

O - Nice, though some more Belgian characteristics would've been nice it's still a cool blending of flavors as usual for Deschutes. Pomegranate+molasses work well together, the wine+whiskey barrels each distinguish themselves. Smooth and pretty easy-drinking considering.

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Photo of Brolo75
4.46/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

22 ounce bottle poured into a Belgian style tulip

A: Dark brown with a tan head, no lacing, head quickly vanished, not much carbonation, some light comes through when held up.

A: Belgian yeast aromas right up front, oak, candied yeast aroma, caramel, dark sweet fruits, smells really good.

T: Belgian quad flavors, dark fruits, caramel, yams, oak, alcohol is noticeable making it a little hot, very complex.

M: Medium mouthfeel, dry finish, not much carbonation.

O: Very impressed, has the complexities of a Quad plus an added oak, wood aroma and flavor, a great sipping beer, a little hot but that may subside with some aging, going to pick up a few bottles to age.

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Photo of MattSweatshirt
3.94/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Pours brown out the bottle with ruby highlights in the glass. Some fluffy tan head pops up before quickly diminishing to a thin film.

The aroma brings forth some dark fruit and pomegranate. Comes off fairly sweet with caramel.

Flavor has some peppery spice, lots of fruitiness, barrels come through with some warmth and woodiness.

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Photo of cjgiant
4.23/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Review of a bottle in August, no rating changes, officially. This has the same drink after 4/2015 date as original review:
Pours a muddy dark burgundy-tinged brown. I decanted this bottle expecting sediment. Light pour didn't bring much head, and a swirl brought wispy head to the surface that faded to the edges. (Edit: finished bottle and not much sediment)

Nose is actually mostly wooden bourbon barrel at this point, but not in an overpowering sense. There are some earthy notes and faded dark fruit in there, prunish at this point. I recall the nose being quite enjoyable, with more fruit notes. (With age, this would probably drop to a 4).

Taste also has a bunch of the sane aging vessel, and also seems to show its age slightly. A bit more mellow than I recall, but the fruits are stronger in the taste than it was in the nose. Little date but also a tart taste, maybe the prune from the nose, but it may actually be more like a young prune - very young, as in plum. The sweetness (raw to lightly burned sugar-ness) I notice more as I analyze, but I'm not sure if it grows or I just wasn't paying attention.

Feel is a nice up front, but the nicely low but present carbonation fades more quickly than I'd like.

So it's fallen off a tad, mainly in the nose. Still a damn tasty sipping beer.

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Photo of stephens101
4.3/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Dark brown with red hues. A thin tan head breaks off quickly.

Smells of brown bread, grain, prune, plum and burnt sugar.

Tastes of fresh brown bread, grain, prune juice, molasses, raisin, faint oak, allspice and a hint of balancing hops.

Medium and juicy with a well-hidden alcohol heat and never cloying.

Rich and magnificent.

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Photo of rlee1390
3.9/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The balance is off. The cherries/pomegranites do not mesh with the rest of the beer. The dark fruits are not where they should be. The barrel aging does not come through much as well.

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Photo of StraightNoChaser
4.31/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

look: guess i'm in the minority but i find this gorgeous. Clear copper with a modest tan head.
smell: Yeasty, dark fruits (i guess pomegranate, i'm just not familiar enough to single that out). Molasses too though not aggressive at all. A rich though not overstated nose. Barrel treatment has imparted a deep and wonderful nose without being overt.
taste: not quite up to the nose but doesn't disappoint. Rich yet subdued with all the flavors of the nose.

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Photo of brentk56
3.81/5  rDev -8.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Pours a clear garnet color with a rather modest head that fades; some speckles of lacing; not what I would expect for a Belgian style but then again most Belgian styles don't spend time in barrels so I will give it some slack

Smell: Complex aromatics, with the barrel and the booze creating a combination of tones - rye whiskey and port; the pomegranate comes through, too, though I am not sure I would distinguish that from other dark fruit aromas without reading the label

Taste: The pomegranate juice is much more discernible on the palate, with the fruit flavor asserting itself at the outset along with the molasses and laying the foundation for the sweet caramel flavor profile; rye whiskey and port flavors build, after the swallow, but are ultimately subsumed by the sweeter elements from the malt and the adjuncts

Mouthfeel: Full bodied and somewhat clunky, as the carbonation level is low; some warmth in the gullet

Overall: Well, happy birthday to Not the Stoic, as I presume that the drink after 4/22/15 on the label is suggestive of a first anniversary; an interesting beer, no doubt, and one that makes you want to ponder it, but I cannot say that the flavors have melded together blissfully

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Photo of pat61
4.53/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

I am drinking this 10 months before its best after date. A: Chestnut with a slight haze that clears up as the beer warms. 1” quickly dissipating foam collar clings to the side of the glass leaving sheets of lace. Has legs. S: Big fruity molassey nose, some pomegranate and some dark dried fruit with a suspicion of smoke and rye. T: Caramel and vanilla on the palate tending towards brown sugar, some prune, date, fig, not quite fruit cake. M: Chewy body warming, fine soft carbonation. O: Almost fruit cake in a glass. This should get more interesting as sherry notes develop as it ages.

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Photo of mwilbur
3.27/5  rDev -21.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Poured from 22 oz bottle into snifter. Best after 4/22/15 (little early).
A: Pours a clear dark amber hue with just a thin skim of light tan head.
S: Rye whiskey, light sweet caramel, hint of molasses and bubblegum sweetness. A bit odd for style.
T: Flash of pomegranate up front, then quickly turns toward molasses and caramel, then a bit further into it the rye whiskey hits. Clashing notes of sweetness doesn't do this one any favors.
M: Light-medium body. Oily and sweet. Mildly boozy finish...drinks lighter than the ABV would suggest.
D: This one had an interesting thought process behind it, but the end result just didn't pan out. Meh. And I don't really think it's going to improve a ton with aging.

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Photo of Harvest06
3.96/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Overall this is a solid beer due to the barrel aging. However, its on the expensive side and its only solid beer because of the barrel aging. The underlying quad is overly sweet, not interesting and is average at best. The rye bourbon barrles (15%) and wine (15%) improves the ale and mellows the 12% abv but neither of the barrels are very distinct making a below average beer slightly above average. This will mellow more with some age but the already minimal barrel characteristics will fade even more.

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Photo of Huhzubendah
2.64/5  rDev -36.5%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Rouge mahogany body, mild haze, thin light khaki head. Huge sweet dark fruit aroma with prominent plums, raisins, overly ripe prunes. Super sweet with prevalent alcoholic heat. Red wine, red grapes, sweet grape juice. The quad character is totally lost here. Too sweet and overbearing. Not a fan.

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Photo of samshaw
3.87/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

A: Dark amber, light opacity and thickness for a quadrupel, medium head of dark off-white dissipates quickly leaving no lacing on the glass.

S: Heavy molasses with some fruity undertones.

T: Rich in brown sugar and molasses. Fruit more noticeable, including pomegranate. Quite sweet.

M: Feels thicker than it looks. Well carbonated but not overwhelmingly so.

O: Significantly sweeter than the average quadrupel. Lighter as well, but still very full-bodied. Hides the high alcohol content very well.

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Photo of ThisWangsChung
3.59/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bottle into a teku.

Appearance: Pours a clearish dark brown color. The head is a finger high, and off-white in shade. It looks fizzy in texture, and also features predictably poor retention. No lacing on the glass to speak of. (3)

Smell: Big, assertive dark fruits make their way into the olfactory senses immediately. This is a very raisiny-smelling beer, as a good quad should be like. I also pick up a lot of molasses and caramel. Having said that, the pomegranate isn't coming through vividly, and the Belgian yeast seems a bit rudimentary. But the alcohol is concealed marvelously, helping to round out an impressively bold (if not quite infinitely complex) nose. (4)

Taste: Pomegranate is somewhat more prevalent on the taste. It really meshes well with the primary flavor of dark fruits, giving the sweetness a slight counter-balancing tartness. The back end features healthy notes of caramel, brown sugar, and molasses. I get really delicate hints of oak barrel throughout (not to be confused with alcohol presence, natch). My problem with this beer isn't the sweetness, but the fact the sweetness isn't paired with a nuanced depth. It's a very nice beer, don't get me wrong, just simplistic to a fault. (3.5)

Mouthfeel: Big and heavy - this is a sipping beer through and through. The healthy sweetness really coats the palate immensely. Where this differs from the Rochefort 10s of the world is that this mouth-engulfing sweetness isn't cleansed off the palate very well. It's decently carbonated, but still manages to hide behind the thick texture. On the plus side, the only thing that gives away its massive 12% (apart from the sweetness, that is) is a slight warming of the orifices. Even better, the oak tannins become more prevalent as I drink (a lot) of this, giving it much-needed drinkability. (3.5)

Overall: I don't think one can compare it to a traditional Belgian quad - I mean, do any of those have the stuff this does? It does carve a niche out for itself, though. Still, I can't help but feel it's too big for its own good: while the Belgian mainstays are huge yet elegant, this is just huge. I'm interested in trying this again with some age on it, but that'll personally be a hard sell at $16 a bottle. (3.5)

3.58/5: Definitely enjoyable, but not a world-beater

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Photo of RollBounce
3.18/5  rDev -23.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

bough t bottle at brewery. Best Afterdate April 22nd 2015. Expected a little bit more from this beer but it doesn't seem like it's ready yet. little bit of the sweetness. would be interested to see how this ages.

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Photo of Sludgeman
3.77/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The complexity of this beer was lost on me. I can taste the wine and whiskey but combined with the dark fruit and sweetness it was a bit cloying, a bit overwhelming and not a beer I plan to drink again.

A- Alcohol legs, dark brownish red

T - Sweet, malty with hints of the wine and whiskey aging. The alcohol is well hidden.

MF - Great feel, smooth, med heavy, definitely not dry almost cloying it is so sweet. That sort of slick syrupy feel.

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Photo of Gregaroo
4.75/5  rDev +14.2%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

First of the night. Steaks on the grill for Ravens/Pats game. Black wax cap then poured into a chalice. Awesome all around. Worth the price. Get some.

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Photo of i4ourgot
3.98/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Red wine with a sugary sweet aroma. Very short lived head on the beer and a nice darker red body, more blood red then your red from darker crystal malts. The beer had a pleasant sweet wine flavor that had a slightly astringent almost spicy flavor on the finish. Slightly tart and bubbly at the same time. The overall mouth feel was dry for the flavor at the start and after the flavor diminished the beer had this thick cloying covering. The beer felt like the wine had coated and dried on your tongue like a paste. The complexity in flavor, mouth feel, and aroma is amazing. I must say I enjoyed this beer more at the start and the last few sips were not as good as the first.

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Not The Stoic from Deschutes Brewery
Beer rating: 92 out of 100 with 740 ratings