Not The Stoic
Deschutes Brewery

Not The StoicNot The Stoic
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Style:
Belgian Quadrupel (Quad)
ABV:
12%
Score:
92
Avg:
4.16 | pDev: 8.65%
Reviews:
106
Ratings:
740
From:
Deschutes Brewery
 
Oregon, United States
Avail:
Retired (no longer brewed)
Wants
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Gots
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SCORE
92
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Not The StoicNot The Stoic
Notes: Brewed with pomegranate & molasses, 15% aged in oak wine barrels, 15% aged in oak rye barrels.
Reviews: 106 | Ratings: 740
Photo of Beer-Revelry
4.95/5  rDev +19%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A - Poured an interesting purple ruby, almost like a fine red wine. Formed a half finger of almost instantly dissipating light tan head. No lacing left behind.
S - Alcoholic pomegranate, raisins, grapes and plums. Tons of dark red wine and strong whisky. The whisky and wine alcohols mingle together extraordinarily well and make for an amazing aroma.
T - Fantastic, but extremely boozy. Very hot warming alcohol. Darker fruits and wine style alcohol up front, end on a whisky rye and malt tone. The malt and whisky lessen as the brew warms and the wine notes take center stage. Fantastic cold and slightly chilled.
O - An absolutely amazing, 5 star quad. Quite possibly the best Belgian beer I have ever had.
V - Extremely expensive at almost 17 dollars for a 22oz bomber. But definitely worth trying at least once. Belgian fans will want to buy a few to cellar and let age for a special occasion.

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Photo of BladesOfBarley
4.39/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.75

So, me and my friend were talking about beer the other day. And were discussing last summers Black Butte XXVI, and whether or not the flavor changed at all just half way through the aging process. And we found it wasn't all too different from when it was released. Which got me thinking; I wonder how Not the Stoic is fairing... which, brings us to me, sitting here, drinking it to some Miles Davis.

After tearing off the wax seal and cracking open this bad boy, I poured it a Chimay glass. Great pour, slow and smooth. Shining, a deep red amber, a true treat to the eyes. Only a little head, a slightly brown opaque, decent amount of carbonation. Aromas of dark fruits, caramel, brown sugar and a grace note of booze fill the nostrils, rich and full, perfect for an ice cold night like this one, or in the summer as a good after noon sipper.

As if the appearance and aroma weren't good enough, the flavors really hit the ball out of the pork on this one. Starts of with sweet, dark fruit and brown sugar, followed quickly with subtle wine, oak and caramel. After warming up a bit, the dark fruit flavors and alcohol become more upfront, which in turn really ups the flavor up another notch, hitting your taste buds with a gentle fist.

My only will gripe, is that I, a foolish mortal, decided to open it only half way through the 'drink after' date. Yes, it's a delicious beer, and I would recommend it to any curious beerhead or Belgian fanatic. A great riff on the style, and a great release by Deschutes, whom I salute on making stellar beers. I'd recommend on sitting on this for a whole year or even more, because although it's great now, in a year or more it will be super excellent.

Cheers, you filthy maniacs!

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Photo of mactrail
3.49/5  rDev -16.1%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

The coppery red-brown color is attractive, but the brief flicker of foam lays down quite rapidly. Weird fragrance is flowery and like fig jam.

Sweet and sharp. The pomegranate provides a tannic and pucker sensation. By the way, for the notes, it's brewed with molasses made from pomegranates, not pomegranate AND molasses. The stuff seems to keep the barrel flavors from coming through in the usual mellow way. It's a very acidic Quad.

Deeply fruity and sweetly alcoholic in a head-spinning way. An interesting brew to sip. Hardly worth the price, though. From the 22 oz bottle purchased at Liticker's Liquor in San Diego.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
4.21/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

really tasty beer, but whats up with all the pomegranate stuff happening with these guys, it seems to be in more and more of their beers. it adds a cool sweet and tangy character to this quad, which is lighter in color and malt toast and caramelization than others, but still has a nice rich malt sweet base, and not overly intense on the belgian aspect. more of a barleywine meets a quad than anything else. the wine barrel gives a little tannic thing that goes great with the tang of the pomegranate molasses, and the rye barrel gives it a sweet vanilla whiskey thing that works with the malt richness. great depth to this, really really good. im not sure how different it is than the stoic, its been a real long time since i have had the original. wonderful winter beer, fit for long ageing, and really one of the more unique takes on the style. not much booze poking through here either, which is real impressive. deschutes won my respect long ago, but it gets reinforced every time i have a new beer from them. this is like no other.

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Photo of Smakawhat
4.01/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured from the bottle into a tulip glass.

A deep almost ruby red, but has a much darker brown color to it. Up to the light it seems to carry a bit of orange highlights, making for a real interesting body color. Head is virtually non existent, but manages a simple but good tan collar along the edges. There is a degree of clarity through all this darkness, as some rising carbonation does make it's way slowly cascading up the glass.

Aroma seems to come off like a standard Beligan dark quad. Hints of raisin and brown sugarm, but also a bit of purple grape like sweetness. There's a bit of buttery quality to this as well, which seems to hint a bit at some barrel notes too, but just ever so slightly.

Palate comes through with a real thick body. Mouthfeel really stands out on this, thick and rich without a syrupy feel. However, it coats nicely all around the mid palate, and manages some honey like stickiness on the lips. Mid palate washes with fruited grape and cherry. Mild candi finish helps to bring out the big fruit flavors even more so. Slight brandy like warmth and heat coming off this as well, which lends for a good stomach settling feeling.

Overall a pretty interesting quad and very enjoyable.

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Photo of ricke49
4.56/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

Complex. Fall / Winter delight. Taste: Belgian quad meets English barleywine. Figs, caramel, whiskey. Hops hard to detect. Warmth from a finely dialed-in alcohol burn. Great sipper on a fall or winter evening; "yummy" about sums it up. Wish it weren't retired.

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Photo of Brutaltruth
4.41/5  rDev +6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Enjoyed from a growler in a snifter, this FANTASTIC quad pours a cloudy brownish orange with little to no head or lacing. Nose of plums, brown sugar, raisin, light floral hops, and a brandy like alcohol. Flavors are complex to say the least. Plum and pomegranate to the front and sides (best representation of pomegranate I have tasted thus far). Tons of brown sugar goodness with rye barrel coming through on the back blending to make a brandy like quality. Intriguing. Moderate carbonation, slick mouth feel, and a wet finish with alcohol warmth. Fantastic. Worth getting more in a bottle to lay down for a time.

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Photo of spacecake9
5/5  rDev +20.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Poured into a Duvel goblet...
A - Pours a dark amber brown w/ thin head.
S - I smell raisin s or plums and then booze.
T - Not what I expected! The aroma suggested a heavier more alcohol flavored beer but no! Yes you get the raisins and sweetness and a hint of wine but this is not an overpowering boozy beer. Wonderful complex flavors that do justice to the pomegranate molasses & oak wine/oak rye barrel aging on the label.
M - Somewhat thin with low carbonation and a little back of the throat alcohol burn.
O - This beer is delicious. This is why I drink beer. I want complex flavors and this beer delivers for me. I have to get back to the store and pick up a couple more of these.

Drinking another bottle 11 months later. Wondered if I hadn't been too enthusiastic the first time around. Nope. Still love this deliciously complex beer.

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Photo of stortore
4.3/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

22 ounce bottle, 2014 release, best after 4/22/15, into a goblet.

Pours a slightly hazy amber, small head, not much lacing. Smell is of malt, grapes, fairly strong molasses, wine and something different- I guess it's pomegranate. Some oak and whiskey. Taste is a little more malt than the nose, the wine and molasses a little less. Also grapes, raisins, caramel, a little oak and vanilla. Slightly boozy. This a little different for a quad, really good flavor. Good body and level of carbonation.

The more I had, the more I liked this. Lots of competing aromas and flavors, but well blended. A bit unique for the style.

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Photo of BrewChatKen
4.5/5  rDev +8.2%

Bottle review, had it later on tap and didn't like it quite as much for some reason. The aroma reminded me very much of your stereotypical barleywine, there was also, brown sugar, mollasses, pomegranate, cherry, cranberry, raisins and booze. Poured a deep ruby brown color with a tan head that receded quickly. Had a great full body while stil feeling kinda light in the mouth. On the palate there was molasses, dark fruits, raisins, brown sugar, wine, oak and booze. This is a beer I can see aging well and I can't wait to have it again in a year. As it stands now though I thought it was absolutely fantastic, I'm a big fan.

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Photo of BirdsandHops
3.75/5  rDev -9.9%

A: Pours a clear dark ruby with half a finger of off-white head that fades into a thin ring with little lacing.

S: Belgian spices, candy sugar, and a bit of bubblegum. Some dark fruit aromas come through along with a scent of booze.

T: Belgian spices and candy sugar dominate here with a mix of light and dark fruits--pears and prunes both come to mind. There is a hearty bread flavor underneath before a significantly boozy finish.

M: Medium body with lower carbonation, this beer avoids being too thick and syrupy, but isn't as drinkable as the best quads.

O: A solid beer, overall, but doesn't quite nail the depth and is a bit too boozy. This would be a good one to stick away for a few years.

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Photo of lordofstarside
4.16/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Growler fill up at Total Wine

Pours a murky burgundy, no visibility. A finger of foam that dissipated pretty quickly to a thin frothy ring. Lacing is okay, low carbonation

Smells of oak, raisin, fig, banana, clove, brown sugar, and alcohol. Pretty complex, comes together well

Taste follows pretty well. Strong raisin, fig, and oak upfront followed by some spice, brown sugar, and hints of banana. Alcohol on the finish

Feel is thick, goes down a bit sticky. Alcohol really noticeable, easy to sip but I don't know about 64ozs of it

Overall a pretty good barrel aged Belgian. A killer deal for $9.99

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Photo of joeseppy
4.28/5  rDev +2.9%

Uprush cascading head leaving a hefty one inch head that will ebb soon to a thin cap.
Brown in color with amber hues.

Initial aroma of caramel. Soon developing are raisins and light molasses.

A mellifluous rustic flavor of raisins, molasses and hard candy. As this rises in temperature more alcohol is evident in the aftertaste then onto the olfactories. I believe this is listed at around 12 percent alcohol but damn it's tasty. This brings to mind mincemeat pie.

Silky smooth and creamy.

This craft demands you take time with it and I am. Very nice indeed!

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Photo of jellikit
4.5/5  rDev +8.2%

Tap.
Appearance: cloudy brown. Thin head, tiny bubbles on outside of glass. Small lacing that fades back into the beer.
Smell: bourbon, oak, molasses, alcohol.
Taste: fig, raisin, whiskey, small hop presence, booze.
Mouthfeel: medium-light carbonation. Medium body. Sweet. Mouth-numbing alcohol.
Overall: big. Tasty. Be cautious....creeps up on you. Will buy again.

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Photo of Wobbly
4.4/5  rDev +5.8%

Outstanding quad. In fact, only Boulevard's BBQ would beat this out for best U.S. made quad (that I have had). Lovely, rub-red/brown color. Decent bloom with definite lacing. Deep, rich malty notes. A decadent but highly drinkable (and dangerous) beer. Surprising, actually, since I have not been fond of all of Deschutes more ambitious beers.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.46/5  rDev -16.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

BOTTLE: 1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with black wax-ed over unbranded black pry-off pressure cap and classy understated label art served chilled & side-poured into a snifter at low altitude in Austin, TX. Expectations are sky high. Allowed to warm during consumption. "Best after 04/2215." 12.1% ABV.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: One finger wide. Pale khaki-white colour. Decent thickness and creaminess. Below average (~1 minute) retention. Leaves no lacing as it quickly recedes. Overall, this head is unimpressive. Not the long-lasting yet delicate and fragile head of the best beers in the style.

BODY: A liqueur-esque amber-brown with garnet and orange hues. Semitransparent. Translucent. It has an understated glow when backlit, but I wouldn't call it vibrant. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible within.

I can't say the appearance has me salivating, but there're no egregious flaws - it's just underwhelming.

AROMA: Pomegranate seeds, rose grapes, supple grapeskin, sherry wine, deep amber malts, wood sugars, neutral white oak, a kiss of spicy rye, some toffee, and marvelous fruity notes on the back end - plump grapes, plum, blackberry, fig, date, and prune.

Nicely sweet.

I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of oaky toastiness. I'd also like more of a Belgian character, ideally via some biscuity yeast. Hop presence is (aptly) minimal.

As it warms, I pick up on some red apple/apple skin, raisin, apple cidre, and pear.

Unfortunately, I don't detect any whiskey notes.

Overall, it's a pleasant aroma of moderate strength and suggests a very intricately built quad with a fruit emphasis. The pomegranate is particular is unique and appealing. The barrel notes seem to fit the base, playing on its dominant fruitiness. I'm really looking forward to the first sip.

TASTE: The lightly syrupy fruit core is the first thing I notice, largely because it dominates the flavour profile - especially early in the second act. The spiciness of the rye hits in the late second act, joined by a surge of the white oak (though sadly, the oak isn't particularly refined or toasty). Maybe there's a bit of spicy whiskey in there too...

The fruits are lovely; a bit like marmalade. Pomegranate is unique here, lending this brew a deep but bright red fruit sweetness which is well complemented by the darker plum, fig, and date notes. The prune in the aroma is largely absent here, and I'm not finding much raisin. Grape does make an appearance, as does red wine; I'm not a wine guy but I'd guess it's sherry. It's not so sweet as to be a dessert wine like port, and the flavour profile itself - while sweet - is never cloying or dessert-wine redolent.

Some acidity is certainly noticeable - partly from the pomegranate but also from some cidery and apple skin notes. It's just a biteen tart, which works well for it. Ale esters are abundant.

Overall, I find the supple fruit emphasis effective within this build, but ultimately this flavour profile isn't on par with that of the best quads out there. The flavours are assertive rather than fragile and/or delicate, and while the unique fruit makes this a brew I'm really enjoying, the balance isn't impeccable; more of a guiding oak presence would help lend this still more cohesion. It delivers the depth and complexity promised by the label, and it's certainly an intricately constructed brew. I quite like it.

Above average intensity and duration of flavour.

As it warms, some rum-soaked fruit creeps in, and out comes some raisiny notes, as well as a kiss of toffee, some clove, and a bit of pepper. Maybe brandy?

Boy is this a rich flavour profile.

TEXTURE: I didn't anticipate the acidity and subtle tartness of this beer. It's smooth and wet, but unrefreshing. It's just too full-bodied and thick to be as effortlessly drinkable as the best Trappist or abbey quads. Has a heavy, filling presence on the palate. It's also slightly syrupy. Shockingly, the 12.10% ABV isn't too noticeable, though it does lend some pleasing warmth.

Not oily, gushed, hot, boozy, astringent, harsh, rough, or scratchy.

Overall, this texture complements the taste well, but lacks the fragility and delicacy needed to elevate this beer to world-class level.

OVERALL: She's not quite a sipper, but make no mistake - she takes a while to work through. I admit I prefer the original The Stoic, but this is nevertheless a special quad with some really unique pomegranate notes. I'd like to see Deschutes hone that fruity character in future Belgian style brews. As much as I like this, I do think the $16.00 pricetag is a bit steep, though I'd still liken the beer to a fine wine, and can see this developing incredibly with age. I intend to revisit this when it's older to see how it develops. I'll enjoy greedily finishing the bottle alone, but I hoped for better given the quality of the original The Stoic. That said, I'd recommend every beer enthusiast give this one a go.

Low B

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06.20.17:

B- / WORTHY

Don't age.

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Photo of cvm4
3.41/5  rDev -18%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

2014 vintage

L - Pours a ruby/cranberry brown body with a fizzy one finger khaki head that dissipates quickly. No lacing or retention at all. Looks dead.

S - Dark plums, raisins, molasses and a little oak/whiskey character.

T - Pretty much all the quad flavors with a hefty dose of whiskey barrel. Slightly sweet.

F - For a quad, really thin bodied and low carbonation. A bit of a disappointment.

O - Just not too much to get excited with here for me. Missed a lot on this beer for me.

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Photo of Bluesman2383
3/5  rDev -27.9%

Very nice on the nose with the cranberry/pomegranate smell, but the complexity ends after that. It's a basic quad that drinks well. This one is just okay for what I've had out of other quads both foreign & domestic.

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Photo of jdense
4/5  rDev -3.8%

The barrel aging and blending adds a bit of complexity. Mouthfeel is a bit thin, and not picking up the pronounced raisin aroma and taste I expect for the style. The use of Rye barrels added a bit of spiciness which was nice. Could definitely use some cellaring.

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Photo of russpowell
4/5  rDev -3.8%

Pours a slightly effervescent orange tinged scarlet with a sliver of tan head. Says effervescent. Not much head retention & or lacing , stays bright (2.75)

S: Plums, raisins, black currants & booze, leafy hops (3.5)

T: Juicy fruit, plums, dryness, raisins & booze, some apple skins up front. Raisins, plums, dryness, faint juicy fruit & figs as this warms. Finishes with some cidery acidic notes, pears, white grapes, oakyness, & leafy hops, figgyness (4.25)

MF: Medium bodied, slight over carbonated, a touch boozey, a little slick, some acidic notes biting at the enamel on my teeth, I like it! ( 4.0)

Goes down fairly easy, but interesting. This beer's best days are ahead of it, but can't find much fault with the taste right now (4.0)

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Photo of ADZA
4.12/5  rDev -1%

Yes the stoic and pours a ruby brown hue with a two finger creamy head and some tight leggy lacing, the smell is oaked whiskey, molasses and port, the mouthfeel is full bodied, smooth and moderately carbonated with tastes of tart cherries, molasses, a slight hit of pomegranate, whiskey and finished with a pinot noir bitter sweetness and overall its very exspensive but I couldn't resist with the different blends of barrel ageing and definitely enjoyed it the once cheers.

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Photo of arizcards
4/5  rDev -3.8%

Picked up a bomber from Total Wine in early June for $15.99. Best after 4/22/15.

Beer poured a ruby brown with a ok head that dissipated quickly.

Nose is very nice, dark fruit and whiskey are prevelant.

Taste is sweet but not cloying, dark fruits, apple, and hints of whiskey. Alcohol is slightly warming.

Mouthfeel is mdium bodied and kind of smooth but not quite like Belgium based Quads.

Overall this version of Deschuted Quad is definitely much better than the first effort. The barrel blending is a nice spin on the style and definitely enhances this brew. I believe i am going back to get another bottle and letting it rest for a year or so.

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Photo of BierJager89
4.13/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

A: Pours a clear ruby red with a white head.

S: Candied darkf ruits in the nose.

T: Some dark fruit, some candied fruits, malt, caramel.

M: Medium bodied and smooth.

O: I liked this more than The Stoic, but they were similar beers. Interesting when compared side-by-side. I would recommend this beer.

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Photo of richj1970
4.1/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from 22 oz bomber into snifter glass. Bottle dated best after 4/12/2015.

A: Pours a deep mahogany brown with subtle cherry red tones. Smallish one finger tan head that settled quickly to a thin ring around the edge. Very little lacing.

S: Cherry, plum, and dates. Sweet caramel. Some alcohol that reminds me of Irish whiskey.

T: Plenty of dark fruits. Plum, dates, raisins. Belgian candy sugar. Slight hint of peppery spice at the end.

M: Medium body and lightly carbonated. Nice fruity punch and sweet finish. A little alcohol heat at the end.

O: Solid American interpretation of a Belgian Quad. Very easy drinking.

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Photo of Vixie
3.92/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Pours a really nice looking ruby red color with a little bit of a tan head that quickly dissipates into some nice lacing, mainly on the edge of the glass. This may be the best looking beer I have ever seen.

Very fruity in the smell, kind of a mix of plums, raisins, and dried fruit. There is also a peppery smell and a bit of a booze like smell.

Sweet and fruity up front. Apple, raisin, and prunes come to mind. There is a bit of a pepper spice to it at the finish, and quite a bit of alcohol warming. The high abv does come through quite a bit.

Feel is more on the smooth side, but the carbonation does add a bit of tingling on the tongue.

Definitely one of the better US made quads I have had. This one has a best after date, so I feel I am reviewing a more fresh and unaged sample. It does show, while very good, the beer likes the refinement of the best quads. I am very tempted to get another bottle of this and let it sit for a year to compare the difference. I think if aging smooths it out, this will change from a very good beer to a truly outstanding one.

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Not The Stoic from Deschutes Brewery
Beer rating: 92 out of 100 with 740 ratings