Central Waters / Local Option - De Kleine Dood
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Style:
German Weizenbock
Ranked #7
ABV:
12.2%
Score:
92
Ranked #2,910
Avg:
4.12 | pDev: 10.19%
Reviews:
127
Ratings:
750
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Central Waters / Local Option - De Kleine DoodCentral Waters / Local Option - De Kleine Dood
Notes: De Kleine Dood is a Belgian-inspired Weissenbock brewed as a collaboration between The Local Option and Central Waters Brewery in Amherst, Wisconsin. Originally released in summer 2012, De Kleine Dood will be available in spring 2013 on draft and in large format bottles.

When Central Waters decided to open its brew house for its first collaboration beer, Chicago’s Local Option was the obvious partner in crime. The resulting brainchild, De Kleine Dood - a Belgian inspired Weissenbock – maintains the traditional characteristics of its Bavarian forbearer, with the added complexity of Belgian ale yeast. De Kleine Dood is dark amber in color; maintains a rich, full-bodied mouth-feel augmented by caramel; mild and dark fruit; and vanilla and bourbon aromas as a result of six months of aging on Heaven Hill Barrels.. Rounded out by an unostentatious bourbon-driven aroma from brief bourbon barrel aging, De Kleine Dood is a complex ale, a marriage of distinctive styles, and an orgasmic experience for the taste buds that revel in its glory.
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Reviews: 127 | Ratings: 750
Photo of MonDak_Joe1953
4.26/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

22oz bottle, no bottling date, but I have had this around for quite a while, likely from 2017.
Deep brown colored body, with garnet red back lit highlights. Short lived light brown, fizzy head. There is a bubble fed ring, constantly reinforced. No lacing.
Aroma of dark fruit, roasted malts, and bourbon barrel. Some caramel.
Taste is full of dark fruit (raisin and prune), caramel malt, and bourbon barrel.
Fuller mouth feel, has a thicker and syrupy texture. Carbonation is low but appropriate.
Generally sweet from the dried, dark fruit but also has a rich earthy flavor (towards a tartness but not quite). Close to eating bourbon soaked red grapes, but dried and brewed with malts.

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Photo of Harrison8
4.26/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Pours a very dark brown that is nearly black. Head is a finger in height and khaki in color and retains... okay. Aroma is roasted, toasted, smoked, and breaded malts. There is a dry lingering smoke note that melds with char and bourbon to form an complex and twisted aromatic quality. Flavor profile is roasted, toasted, nutted, caramel, and breaded malts layered densely over char and bourbon, chocolate, caramel and a wisp of smoke. Malts and sugary notes keep it drinking sweet, and would be overly sweet without the charred bourbon to bring it back. Together, it maintains a good balance. Mouth feel is medium-thick, edging up to thick. It has a hearty, filling, velvety texture that gives this beer a big persona. Overall, a flavorful beer with depth. Despite all the additions and notes, it retains a notable balance.

Served in a 12oz snifter from a 22oz bottle.

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Photo of dav2080
4.01/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I have never had this style. Thanks BA for the style guide. I am a fan of Central Waters. This poured dark with a short lived tan head. I smell some chocolate sweet? Maybe it's the bourbon. Mouthfeel- seems to leave a "film" in my mouth. Since I never had this style before, not sure what to think. Got it in a bomber at a good price. Would I buy again? Probably not. Cheers!

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Photo of thristybeing
4.16/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: light chestnut brown carmel with eighth inch head
S: Malty, bourbon, carmel
T: Boozy, vanilla, toffee
M: Full-bodied, a touch sweet
O: very well done exceptional style of a belgian

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Photo of Hopheadjeffery
4.08/5  rDev -1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Tasted in a Rastal Teku from a 1 pint 6 fl oz bottle on February 18, 2018. A collaboration between Central Waters and The Local Option in Chicago, IL. This beer maintains the traditional characteristics of its Bavarian fore bearer, with the added complexity of Belgian ale yeast. La Petite Mort is dark amber in color. It maintains a rich, full-bodied mouth-feel augmented by caramel. Hints of mild and dark fruit. Recommended.

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Photo of gopens44
4.21/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Brownish red and opaque with an immediate foamy beige head after a fairly forceful pour, but very little of the head endured past a minute or so, leaving a thin fizzy sheen. Nose is complex in a fairly modest sort of way, as everything blends well without any one overpowering essence. Fig, caramel, banana, oak tannins and molasses; all in blissful harmony. Taste is equally impressive, but where the fragrance was peaceful, the taste has an edge, as mainly the caramel and fig are upended by coffee and alcohol abrasivenes. While the body is overly thin, the heat in the after taste reminds that this is a big beer.

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Photo of rodbeermunch
3.55/5  rDev -13.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep caramel auburn kind of color with a light brown head that is in the 1/5" range. Boozy wheat whine like aroma and barrel presence is almost port and sweet like.

Leather, toffee, vanilla, caramel all penetrate immediately with the first sip. Its boozy but not hot. Ample use of wheat to get it this malty. Strong yet smooth. A little bit of banana in there, banana liquor bourbon going on. Carbonation is appropriately softer. Its an interesting mix of spice rack from the yeast and then large swaths of liquor feels but not necessarily a harsh alcohol burn or bitterness.

I've seen it on the shelf while on vacation since I drank it. I passed. Does seem to be a decent value and I would say check it out given that you can get it for under $10 a bomber.

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Photo of ovaltine
4.23/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Pour is a chestnut brown, tan head that dissipates quickly, which is to style. Aromas are led by the barrel, with vanilla and oak notes leading the way, then a caramel sweetness on the back end.

Taste is big notes of caramel and toffee, with the oak and vanilla from the barrel complementing those flavors. There's a bit of spritziness associated with the style, but not as much as I'd like. Still, this is a great sipper, especially on a fall evening. Definitely worth acquiring.

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Photo of ONUMello
4.1/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22oz bottle poured into a weizen glass
A: Dark broth with a one-finger head
S: Malty, bourbon, plum
T: Bourbon, vanilla, plum, roasted malt, hints of nut a nd toffee
M: Full-bodied, a touch sweet
O: A bit sweet but overall quite flavorful

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Photo of ZebulonXZogg
4.28/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

L: Pours a dark reddish brown with a khaki head, nice lacing.
S: Bourbon, fig, plum and raisin.
T: Bourbon, vanilla and dark fruit.
F: After 4 ounces I started to feel pretty good. I expected something a bit more chewy, but it's good enuff.
O: I'm not a big fan of Belgium style beers. I'm not sure if I've had a Weizenbock before, especially a barrel aged one, but I will look for this again, one of the best beers I've had! Damn good stuff!

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Photo of handmuffin
3.65/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Served from bottle into glass at home. Pours a dark, reddish brown, with short lived tan head. Aroma of raisin, vanilla and bourbon. No hop aroma detectable. Flavor is more dark fruit and lots of bourbon. No hop flavor detectable. The finish is dry and unsurprisingly boozy. Full bodied with low carbonation. Overall this beer drinks exactly like a weissenbock aged in a bourbon barrel. Any Belgian yeast character is undetectable to me, but the beer is still very enjoyable.

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Photo of TheManiacalOne
4.04/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22oz bottle into a mug glass.

A: The beer is a deep dark reddish brown color with a large off-white head that fades quickly and leaves a thick but spotty lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains strong bourbon, caramelized malts, Belgian yeast, vanilla, dark fruit and a touch of hops.

T: The taste starts out sweet with flavors of bourbon, vanilla, caramel and dark fruit. Then some breadiness comes in from Belgian yeast, wheat and a hearty malt character. The hops presence is very mild but complementary and brings a good balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet and slightly bready.

M: Smooth and a little crisp, medium-to-heavy body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

O: Tasty, goes down easily, slightly filling, good kick, good variation of style, this is a solid beer to drink for a while.

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Photo of Lone_Freighter
4.24/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

The appearance was a dark brown close to black color with a one finger white / off white foamy head that dissipated within about a minute leaving some light messy lacing roaming all around the glass nicely. The smell started off with some sweet dark fruity (raison/plum) qualities flowing into sweet bready malts. The taste was mainly sweet with a delicate spice underneath rolling into the bready malts. Boozy raisins in the aftertaste. Smooth sweet finish (vanilla? - somewhat? Kinda). On the palate, this one sat about a medium on the body with a fairly decent sipping quality about it. Carbonation runs fairly smooth. Overall, weizenbock or Belgian Strong Dark ale? Eh, to me, I say weizenbock with the bourbon barrel qualities coming out exceptionally!

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Photo of polloenfuego
3.65/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Pours a lighter black (is that possible?) with a frothy beige head which breaks leaving some lacing. The smell is pretty muted to me, but there is a barrel presence and some sweet dark fruits as well. I found the taste a bit of a letdown, it was sweet with barrel and a flat malts and vanilla. Perhaps the flavours were muted because this bottle was a couple of years old. The feel was a touch thin, and there was a bit of a booze burn as well.

Okay, this beer did not impress. It was one that it was hard to finish because of the prevailing sweetness.

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Photo of Jeffo
3.42/5  rDev -17%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Got this one at Premiere Gourmet in Buffalo last summer. The Dutch name means it obviously made the cut for the plane back to Holland.

From a bomber into a snifter

APPEARANCE: Pours a 1+ finger, lighter beige, looser, fizzy head with lousy retention. Dark maroon red in color, clear, with no carbonation evident. Head quickly fizzes down to a splotchy wisp and ring. A ring remains until the end but leaves no lacing on the glass. Fizzy head but nicer color.

SMELL: Bourbon, oak, vanilla, caramel and toffee notes. Dark fruits, gum and wheat aromas as well.

TASTE: Bourbon, oak, wood, caramel and wheat notes up front. Some alcohol at the swallow. Medium but lingering finish of wood, booze, caramel, phenols from the Belgian yeast, and some dark fruit sweetness.

PALATE: Medium body and slightly higher levels of carbonation. Light and a bit fizzy on the palate, goes down fine and finishes slightly mouth-coating. Lighter and airier than hoped, unfortunately.

OVERALL: This was good stuff. It’s listed as a weizenbock but it’s definitely not a weizenbock. The wheat character is definitely there, but the phenols and strong barrel character set this one apart. The fizzier look and feel could be cleaned up, but besides that, this was an enjoyable brew that I’d drink again if I found it. Cheers!

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Photo of zeff80
4.09/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22oz bottle. Poured out a dark, dark brown color with a small tan head of foam. It smelled of bourbon, oak, vanilla and maltiness. Boozy flavor with charred oak, vanilla, chocolate and roasted malt.

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Photo of jrenihan
3.93/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

The bourbon is upfront strongly, with vanilla, caramel, raisin and fig. A bit of heat. Low carbonation, a bit heavy. I can't say it obviously comes across as a weizenbock, the bourbon aging is just as advertised. Good, not remarkable.

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Photo of gcasher
3.79/5  rDev -8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Pours like root beer. Smells sweet. The bourbon taste dominates, but is very nice. There is a sweet malt backbone. There is also a delicate herbal yeasty fkavor.

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Photo of yesterdayfaraway
3.71/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

L: pours rusty brown with no head. Pretty dark in the glass though
S: bourbon, brown sugar sweetness, toffee but medicinal
T: tastes like bourbon ba barleywine. Sweet caramel, nice bourbon. The beer is just isn't robust, nor refined, needs some work
F: not smooth, fairly thin too.

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Photo of FriedSlug
3.98/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Pours a ruddy brown with tan head. The aroma is raisins, oak, booze, chocolate and vanilla. The taste is sweet, boozy, raisins, chocolate and vanilla notes. There is a bit of heat on this one but the booze is not overpowering. Pretty solid brew.

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Photo of stephens101
3.95/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Dark brown with two-fingers of compact tan froth. Smell is complex with bold notes of caramel, brown sugar, and plum followed by less prominent prune juice and charred wood. Tastes of brown bread, brown sugar, faint spice and caramel. Sweet for the most part but not cloying or unbalanced. Medium and syrupy in parts. A slight, tingly alcohol burn as it goes. Not as good as the real thing, but pretty damn enjoyable nevertheless.

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Photo of superspak
4.1/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

22 ounce bottle into tulip glass, no bottle dating. Pours crystal clear deep reddish brown color with a 1 finger fairly dense and fluffy khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a thin cap that lingers. Light spotty lacing clings on the glass, with a moderate amount of streaming carbonation retaining the cap. Aromas of big caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, and clove; with lighter notes of raisin, plum, fig, date, apple, milk chocolate, cocoa, banana, and yeast/oak/toasted earthiness. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast notes; with great strength. Taste of big caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, and clove; with lighter notes of raisin, plum, fig, date, apple, milk chocolate, cocoa, banana, and yeast/oak/toasted earthiness. Light-moderate yeast and bourbon/oak spiciness on the finish; with lingering notes of caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, clove, light dark fruit/chocolate, and oak/toasted earthiness on the finish for a while. Damn nice complexity, robustness, and balance of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast flavors; with a great malt, yeast, and bourbon/oak spiciness balance, and zero cloying sweetness after the finish. Light-medium carbonation and medium-full body; with a very smooth, moderately creamy, and lightly sticky/chalky/tannic balanced mouthfeel that is great. Alcohol is very well hidden with only a light warmth lingering after the finish. Overall this is an excellent BBA weizenbock. All around great complexity, robustness, and balance of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast flavors; very smooth and easy to sip on for the big ABV. This feels more like a doppelbock than a weizenbock due to lower yeast character; but still has great malt/barrel complexity and balance. A very enjoyable offering.

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Photo of StevieJoe
4.79/5  rDev +16.3%
look: 4.75 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Bought this beer without really knowing what to expect. The label describes it as a MALT BEVERAGE AGED IN BOURBON BARRELS. I did not see any other description to guide my initial expectation. Central Waters and Bourbon barrel aged were my purchase incentives.
When I started the pour, I was expecting this to be Pure Black and solid. Surprised by the light passing through and showing it to be a dark but not opaque brown pour. The head was thin but set up nicely.
The smell was wonderful. I love a beer that fulfills the advertised barrel aged statement from the label. I am a big fan of most bourbons and when a beer delivers that full nose of the barrel aging, it brings a warm spot and harkens back to my Kentucky visits.
I guess my palate is not tuned enough to embellish on the Belgian inspiration of the Weissenbock. I do know that I enjoyed the flavors. Although the nose was strong from the barrel aging, the flavors were extremely pleasant. Could be the Weissenbock softened and smoothed the flavors. There were definitely malty, vanilla, chocolate, coffee and caramel tones which I associate with a well aged whiskey. I picked up on some of the yeast flavors.
My lowest mark for this beer was the feel. 4.5 still not a low score. My first sip, I was not knowing for sure what I was drinking. When I had that full nose from the barrel aging, I may have been expecting more body and a longer lasting taste. I was expecting this to have a more solid and staying flavor.
I had purchased this one a few months back and had planned to share it with my son. Based on the Central Waters Production schedule, I may have missed my chance to by another or will have to wait and see when it is available again. For any fan of barrel aged beers, I do not think this one will disappoint.

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Photo of Dragginballs76
4.04/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Pours - Jet black with thin tan head, good lacing.

Smell - Big bourbon smell, dark chocolate, vanilla, roasted malts big boozy smell.

Taste - The bourbon is a little strong, dark chocolate and vanilla, oak and maple flavor.

Feel - Coating feel, little warming from the alcohol.

Overall - A very good beer, great flavor and smell could use a little age I think.

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Photo of Immortale25
4.21/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Poured into a teku pint. No freshness date.

A- Pours a dark brown color with a 1/2 inch tan head that retains decently before becoming a thick ring around the edge of the glass and a mostly full sheet of sheer surface foam. Not-so-resilient lacing leaves tiny specs behind.

S- Rich bourbon aroma with a pronounced milk chocolate note. Moderate booze fume.

T- Great barrel presence with the expected vanilla notes and tannic woodiness. Very easy to drink for the ABV with additional notes of brown sugar, molasses and more milk chocolate. The weizenbock aspects are all but non-existent, also as expected since they were also absent in La Petite Morte.

M- Not as thick or creamy as I like my BBA beers but it makes sense given the style. Medium carbonation and a body leaning toward the fuller side.

O- So, upon closer examination, this seems to be pretty much identical to La Petite Morte in design. I'm not complaining, as the reason I bought this is because I liked La Petite Morte so much. Also, after having multiple offerings from Central Waters including Black Gold, I'll throw down money for anything that has their name on it anyway. But I digress: Great beer!

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Beer rating: 92 out of 100 with 750 ratings