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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine DoodCentral Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood

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Central Waters Brewing Co.
Wisconsin, United States

Style: Weizenbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.05%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
De Kleine Dood is a Belgian inspired Weissenbock brewed as a collaboration between The Local Option and Central Waters Brewery in Amherst, Wisconsin. Originally released in summer 2012, De Kleine Dood will be available in spring 2013 on draft and in large format bottles.

When Central Waters decided to open its brew house for its first collaboration beer, Chicago’s Local Option was the obvious partner in crime. The resulting brainchild, De Kleine Dood - a Belgian inspired Weissenbock – maintains the traditional characteristics of its Bavarian forbearer, with the added complexity of Belgian ale yeast. De Kleine Dood is dark amber in color; maintains a rich, full-bodied mouth-feel augmented by caramel; mild and dark fruit; and vanilla and bourbon aromas as a result of six months of aging on Heaven Hill Barrels.. Rounded out by an unostentatious bourbon driven aroma from brief bourbon barrel aging, De Kleine Dood is a complex ale, a marriage of distinctive styles, and an orgasmic experience for the taste buds that revel in its glory.

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Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.63/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to jmgrub for sharing this one at Wowcoolman's tasting.

Pours a murky honey brown with a foamy khaki head that settles to wisps of film on top of the beer. Tiny dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, caramel, toffee, vanilla, and bourbon aromas. Taste is much the same with caramel, vanilla, and bourbon flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of woody bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer that is tasty but seems almost a bit watered down.

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Photo of metter98
4.16/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is hazy ver dark brown in color. It poured with a short beige colored head that died down, leaving large wisps of bubbles on the surface and a collar around the edge of the glass.
S: Moderate to strong aromas of bourbon are present in the nose.
T: Similar to the smell, the taste is filled with flavors of bourbon and has lots of associated vanilla.
M: It feels medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation. No warming from the alcohol is perceptible.
O: The wheat body of this beer makes it very easy to drink for a bourbon barrel aged beer. You can't tell that the underlying beer is a weizenbock. Although the bourbon is quite strong, it doesn't burn your mouth.

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Photo of BEERchitect
4.01/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A strong bourbon-barrel influence with a malty-sweet backbone ensures a masculine but whimsical taste that come together in the most enticing but unusual way. its delivery isn't exactly what's promised. It might just be better.

As its lavish sweetness layers upon the palate, waves of caramel, toffee, maple and vanilla meet that of sorghum, honey and faint chocolate- all ahead of a playful oak, fruit and spice undertow.

And as the highly complex taste rolls over the middle, it sheds its finesse banana, clove and vinous character and fixates on bourbon sweetness, wood caramels, vanillans, oak tannin and coffee. With any hop balance in far recession, the beer relies heavily on its sheer complexity and power for balance.

its lightly viscous finish makes this potent ale a sipping elixir rather than a "drinkable" ale. Meant to contend with port, sherry and madera, the taste and potency of a Petite Mort ensures a long, spicy, and savory finish that clings to the taste buds in strong dessert-like fashion.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.35/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

On-draught at Rattle N Hum in NYC:

The bourbon presence is amazing, emphasizing vanilla but not overwhelming the base. Dark fruit and Caramel lend this fine ale a gooey warm presence on the palate.

Full bodied and heavy on the palate. Good carbonation.

Though it lacks the style's signature yeast esters (especially banana), it's best regarded as a beer that lies outside style conventions.

A weizenbock for the bourbon barrel imperial stout lover.


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Photo of mothman
4.14/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Caramel brown in color.

Flavors of vanilla, oak, and bourbon. Toffee and caramel. Some dark fruit flavors with molasses. Very bock like with awesome barrel flavors. Wheat as well.

Mouthfeel: Warming and smooth. Full bodied. Medium to low carbonation. Ends clean.

Overall, a great beer with a lot of flavor. Strong, but enjoyable.

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Photo of superspak
4.1/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

22 ounce bottle into tulip glass, no bottle dating. Pours crystal clear deep reddish brown color with a 1 finger fairly dense and fluffy khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a thin cap that lingers. Light spotty lacing clings on the glass, with a moderate amount of streaming carbonation retaining the cap. Aromas of big caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, and clove; with lighter notes of raisin, plum, fig, date, apple, milk chocolate, cocoa, banana, and yeast/oak/toasted earthiness. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast notes; with great strength. Taste of big caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, and clove; with lighter notes of raisin, plum, fig, date, apple, milk chocolate, cocoa, banana, and yeast/oak/toasted earthiness. Light-moderate yeast and bourbon/oak spiciness on the finish; with lingering notes of caramel, brown sugar, toffee, brown bread, vanilla, bourbon, toasted oak, coconut, pepper, clove, light dark fruit/chocolate, and oak/toasted earthiness on the finish for a while. Damn nice complexity, robustness, and balance of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast flavors; with a great malt, yeast, and bourbon/oak spiciness balance, and zero cloying sweetness after the finish. Light-medium carbonation and medium-full body; with a very smooth, moderately creamy, and lightly sticky/chalky/tannic balanced mouthfeel that is great. Alcohol is very well hidden with only a light warmth lingering after the finish. Overall this is an excellent BBA weizenbock. All around great complexity, robustness, and balance of dark/bready malt, bourbon barrel, and light-moderate fruity/spicy yeast flavors; very smooth and easy to sip on for the big ABV. This feels more like a doppelbock than a weizenbock due to lower yeast character; but still has great malt/barrel complexity and balance. A very enjoyable offering.

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Photo of dbrauneis
4.13/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

A: Pours a slightly hazy almost opaque extremely dark brown in color with light to moderate amounts of active visible carbonation along the edges of the glass and moderate amounts of dark cola brown highlights. The beer has a half finger tall foamy tan head that reduces to a medium thick film covering the entire surface of the beer with a medium thick ring at the edges of the glass. Light amounts of lacing are observed.

S: Moderate to strong aromas of bourbon, oak, and vanilla.

T: Upfront there is a light flavor of roasted malts and caramel malts with a light amount of toffee sweetness. That is followed by moderate to strong flavors of vanilla, oak, and bourbon. Light hints of alcohol in the finish.

M: Medium bodied with moderate amounts of carbonation. Light amounts of alcohol warming in the finish.

O: Very interesting, it doesn't taste like the underlying beer is a weizenbock but it is pretty easy to drink. Alcohol is well hidden considering this is a bourbon barrel beer.

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Photo of russpowell
3.78/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 2.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Pours mahogany with a sliver of tan head. Near zero head retention & lacing

S: Raisins, bourbon & figs

T: Figs, dates, raisins with a little booze mixed in up front. A little brown sugar fights through as this warms, a little bit of woodyness & leafy hops as well, then figs & raisins& little Baker's Chocolate sneaking in.

MF: Chewy, light carbonation, warming, thins out a bit as it warms

Drinks pretty nice, could use a little more barrel & body, a good, not great take on the style. Great flavor, but doesn't quite measure on the other elements

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Photo of TMoney2591
3.7/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served in a Local Option cervoise at (where else?) Local Option.

Metal: aging a weizenbock for six months in Heaven Hill barrels. Yeah, I said it. The result pours a bleak dark russet topped by a pair o' fingers of tan foam. The nose comprises bourbon, vanilla, sweet caramel, light oak, light fig, and light roasted malts. The taste brings in more of the same, generally speaking, with whiskey really taking the upper hand and squashing the majority of the competition. As things progress, though, some light toasted wheat comes through, along with molasses and a good helping of clove. But don't think the bourbon's gone away just yet... The body is a stolid medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a smooth, yet lightly grainy feel. Overall, a nice, if a bit over-the-top, barrel-aged w-bock. Rock on.

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Photo of mdfb79
4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

From 10/17/15 notes. Big thanks to Dane for sending me out a bottle of this. 22 oz. bottle into a globe glass.

Pours a dark brown color with a reddish tint and low carbonation evident. Lots of bourbon, sweet dark fruits, toffee, caramel malts, and raisins. Medium body and low to moderate carbonation, not hot.

Overall a very nice BBA beer. Worth checking out for sure.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.92/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

650 mL bottle pourd into a snifter. Reviewed from notes.

Appearance - Deep reddish brown. Khaki head. Medium collar. Faint surface wisps.

Smell - Bourbon and tons of vanilla. Sweet caramel. I may be imagining a slight bubble gummy aroma.

Taste - Bourbon is nice. Vanilla as well. Caramel gets just a touch of wheat and darker chocolate malts. Slightly fruity. Very dry, unpleasantly so.

Mouthfeel - Rough finish. Very dry and slightly boozy. Everything else works.

Overall - Flavors are nice, despite the finish. Quite a bit of barrel.

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Photo of vfgccp
4.34/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

2013 bottle, opened Feb 2014.

A - Beautiful deep mahogany body with ruby highlights. Bone-white head pours thin with low retention and lace.

S - Fantastic nose. Chestnut, molasses, bananas, brown sugar, cherry cordial chocolates, touch of cognac, and caramel.

T - Lightly burnt fudge brownies, touch of cinnamon and nutmeg, and loaded with smooth, rich hazelnuts.

M - Thin, medium-light frame with a light boozy astringency.

O - Really nice, complex profile. Lighter than expected. Drinks a little like a brown-ale / barleywine hybrid.

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Photo of johnnnniee
4.27/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Received in trade from ajzy, thanks for the opportunity!
Pours a solid dark brown/black with a tightly bubbled off white head that slowly recedes to a cap on top. This smells incredible, there's so much going on here! Dark and burnt sugars, dried prune, raisins, vanilla, sweet bourbon, nutmeg, clove, and a hint of ethanol. The flavor follows the aroma quite well. Sweet and malty with darker sugars and light dried fruit up front. Vanilla with hints of wood and sweet bourbon mixed with some spices and a fair amount of alcohol that is present, but not harsh. Medium to thick body with a light to moderate level of carbonation and a sweet almost syrupy mouthfeel. Weizenbock is probably a stretch for this beer, it more Belgian dark strong imho. Great brew anyhow, I really enjoyed it. It kind of reminds me of some Bruery stuff, only it's better.

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Photo of PA-Michigander
2.75/5  rDev -31.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

I thought there was a problem with our bottle but more knowledgable guys said no. That being said I couldn't get into the flavor. A slight sour twang/funky nose that might come from the style but I wouldn't seek this out at all.

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Photo of smakawhat
4.54/5  rDev +13.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from the bottle into a curved wheat ale glass, because we can.

A coffee to light tan creamy head, two fingers and with some good staying power and no lacing. Settles to a half finger puck nicely and good thick collar. Body is a nice mahogany brown, thick looking with great red hues looking toward the bottom.

Fantastic nose. Hints of warm malted candy chocolate, nutty hazelnut like aromas and thick slightly boozy toffee caramel. Thick oak qualities. Slight spicy quality almost herbal as well, like a sharp tea or grass, with some mixing clove. Real nice and impressive.

Palate is real impressive. A great light feel, with a good amount of barrel aged oomph and power. Thick toffee, with spicy notes continuing on the finish, almost peppery and black. Very light quality to this almost a crisp sense of Crispy Crunch chocolate candy bar, mixed in with a nutty nougat softness. Great caramel and nut quality, as time comes there's even an almost Belgian dark raisin character to this. The mouthfeel is more unique, distinct, and impressive, as opposed to perfect, but it is stunning in it's light feel but malt thickness in contradiction.

I really wasn't sure how this would come out for a barrel aged whiskey weizenbock, but it's lightness and thick quality is astounding, with the flavors melding, and tasting unlike anything I have ever had even in this style. An extremely impressive brew.

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Photo of jwc215
4.22/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz. bottle - Poured into an Aventinus weizenbock glass:

Pours brown a tan head that thins. Trailing lace.

The smell is of caramel/toffee, banana/clove, bourbon, some warming alcohol.

The taste is of caramel/toffee, bourbon/wood, alcohol. Banana/clove weave in and out. Sweet. (Just good enough to bump up the score a bit).

It is smooth despite noticeable alcohol.

A unique brew. Bourbon strong but not overwhelming Alcohol shows, but not raw.

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Photo of feloniousmonk
3.73/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

I have some questions about barrel-aging beers, which continues to be all the rage. Is it a style? A tradition? A fad, or a trend? When is it good, when is it great, when is it just so-so?
For me, particularly, if I don't know what the beer was before it was barrel-aged, I have to wonder what I'm drinking. This happened with this beer. It's merely labeled as "malt beverage aged in bourbon barrels", but is it a stout, a brown ale, an ale, or what? Is it a beer they've brewed before, of somehthing new? This one, while demonstrably strong, did not even have a clear ABV labeled. So, I'm left not knowing what was aged in those barrels, and only able to appreciate that something ended up tasting like whiskey. Great. The resultant beer is fine, but only because I like bourbon.

Here come the notes...

Central Waters Brewing Company, Inc. La Petite Mort, Malt Beverage Aged in Bourbon Barrels, Brewing in Amherst, WI. Brewed in collaboration with Local Option, Chicago IL.

Dark mahogany coloring, thin dirty tan head.

Aroma: bourbon, vanilla, cherry, black pepper. Sweetness and strength.

Taste: rich, thick and redolent with whiskey notes. All that from aroma lands on the tongue, all the sweet, syrup-y flavors of the barrel come rushing out, lasting long on the palate. Not quite full bodied, and I truly detect any flavors past the ones brought on by the bourbon. It's malty enough to hold up the richness, with hardly any hops, and a good degree of balance.

The label is free of gobbledygook, to the extent that not even the ABV is given up.
But I have to say that this is another example of a barrel-aged brew that may deliver on the barrel aspects, but neglects to delight in any other area.

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Photo of Billolick
3.99/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bomber bottle

Dark mahogany,very minor dark tan

Rum, dark malt sugars, dark chocolate on the nose.

Deeply flavorful with more of the same on the palate. Bourbon, burnt sugars and dark chocolate/molasses coming to mind. Hearty beer for a cold winters day

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Photo of MasterSki
3.73/5  rDev -7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On-tap at Local Option. Served in a chalice.

A - Creamy foam settles to a thick collar and partial cap, leaving behind minimal lace. Dark brown body, with some transparency at the edges.

S - Lots of earthy bourbon, with sharp oak and vanilla notes from the barrel. Some milk chocolate, caramel, and nutty malts carry over from the base, but I get very little of the Belgian yeast.

T - Taste is very whiskey heavy, with a touch of alcohol bite to it. Lots of sour mash whiskey and oak in the finish, after vanilla and caramel sweetness mid-palate. The wheat, bock, and Belgian elements seem to have been largely obliterated.

M - Chewy and viscous medium-full body, with a dry and barrel-heavy finish. Medium-low carbonation, and some mild alcohol warmth.

D - The unique flavor combinations found in the base beer have been largely overpowered by the barrel-aging. As a result, it ends up tasting like a nebulous barrel-aged strong ale of some sort - not necessarily a bad thing, but doesn't up being particularly unique or distinct either.

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Photo of Duff27
4.42/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Dense light tan one inch head on a dark brown/black body. Clumpy lacing and a cap and collar to boot.

Smells amazing. If you've had 1414, the aroma is near identical...boozy, bourbony, delicious.

Bourbon-forward for sure. Sweet. Easy drinking at 9%....???? Kind of a muddled finish, slight bananas integrates with the barrel aging.

Thin mouthfeel for a BA beer, average for the base style. Good carbonation.

Only drawback that I could come up with is the muddled finish but what the hell, this is awesome. All the best parts of 1414 but easier drinking. Wow. Thanks 4DAloveofSTOUT!

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Photo of LiquidAmber
4.52/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a Fremont small snifter. Pours a very dark brown, appearing pitch black in the glass with a fine one finger light brown head with great retention and lots of lacing. Fine aroma of bourbon, caramel, vanilla, dark malt, dark dried fruit; not getting much wheat here. What an interesting flavor! Starts very much like a bourbon stout, but it quickly becomes clear that the body of this is not dark toasted malt, but lighter wheat. There is not time for for the surprise of the lighter body to register when great bourbon and vanilla flavors beging to dominate the flavor. Finishes with more vanilla, oak and bourbon. A hint of booziness, but enough complexity to cover it. Medium bodied. A complete surprise and not like anything I've tasted before. The depth and strength of the bourbon and barrel flavors seem too much for anything but a rich malt body to cover, but this is wonderfully balanced and somehow the wheat is up to the task. Little bock character here; this seems more like an Imperial hefeweizen (never tried one, but this is what I'd imagine) on bourbon steroids. An amazing production and trying reminds me of the pleasant surprise of trying a bourbon stout for the first time. Excellent and world class. Maybe I'm a sucker for bourbon flavors, but I loved this.

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Photo of GreesyFizeek
4.56/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle purchased at Half Time Beverages in Poughkeepsie, New York.

Pours a dark purplish brown, almost black, with a creamy half inch head, and a little bit of lacing.

Smells awesome, sweet bourbon, some honey, coconut, dark fruits (raisins, plums). No real weizenbock aspect to this, smells like a BA Barleywine or BA BSDA.

This tastes divine, but again, it's indistinguishable as a weizenbock. There's a ton of barrel goodness, sweet, sticky, bourbon, dark honey, coconut, vanilla, oak. I get some Belgian yeast character, I think, it tastes a bit estery. There's a lot of dark fruit character going on, plums and raisins. It's also slightly grape flavored as well. There's a lot going on here.

This has a big and syrupy mouthfeel, without being too cloying. It's got a lower amount of carbonation, but remains very drinkable, despite the size and gravity.

This can barely be called a weizenbock, it has none of the characteristics of one. It can be called a great beer, however. It's closer to a barrel-aged Belgian Strong Dark Ale, or a barrel aged barleywine (those two aren't that far from each other, anyway).

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Photo of dar482
4.39/5  rDev +9.5%

The beer comes in a dark rusty cooper color.

The aroma has a punch of sweet bourbon and oak. Vanilla, toffee, caramel, along with dark fruits and a hint of over ripe banana.

The flavor pops of bourbon up front. Oak throughout that lingers on the back end. A spike of alcohol, but in a positive way. On the back end, coconut and vanilla finish off the beer. A touch of caramel sweetness in the back.

In general, the beer just exemplifies bourbon barrel aging as it hits its notes subtlety and beautifully. The beer tastes more towards a strong ale or American barleywine in the base, but it still does not stand much in the way of the barrel expression.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
4.25/5  rDev +6%

Lots of Bourbon here, both in the aroma and in the taste, but it plays well with the base beer, echoing its richness, vanilla notes, and restrained sweetness. A sipper for sure, but one that keeps drawing you on. Very nice to find this locally because of the Local Option connection.

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Photo of clayrock81
4.03/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured a dark brown body with one finger head that stuck around forever in lace ring form. Aroma is bourbon/boozy, dark fruits like black cherry and figs. Smooth, crisp carbonation, fuller body from yeast, also has a creaminess to it and there is some nice sweetness to beer comprised of vanilla, toffee, fig, caramel. Good balance as the dark fruits (black cherry, figs, possible raisins) balance with malty sweetness, woodiness and slight booziness. Finishes slick and easy and hides the alcohol real well. More sweet than I thought a dopple could be and really works.

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