Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen) | Tröegs Brewing Company

Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen)Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen)
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Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen)Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen)

Brewed by:
Tröegs Brewing Company
Pennsylvania, United States

Style: Roggenbier

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 6.10%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
For Scratch #28, the Tröegs team decided to brew a beer to celebrate the early spring weather. The resulting brew is a take on the Roggenbier style—an uncommon German ale brewed with a portion of rye malt and a weizenbier yeast strain. Scratch #28 is loosely based on our own Dreamweaver Wheat beer recipe, but with several significant changes. First, rye malt makes up 25% of the malt bill, replacing a portion of white wheat. Malted rye gives the Troggen Roggen a spiciness, creamy mouth feel, and fantastic head retention properties. Second, lightly toasted Munich and Vienna malts contribute color and a pleasant breadiness. The Andechs Weizen yeast strain offers a clove and banana profile slightly different from our house weizen strain, and the addition of Hersbrucker and Crystal hops in the hopback give a spicy and lightly citrus end-note to the beer. As always, malted wheat gives the beer a tasty doughy flavor and thirst-quenching tartness. Unfiltered, the Troggen Roggen is a cloudy amber-orange brew meant to be drunk fresh, and in warm weather. Tröegs wheat beer fans, you’re on notice!

Added by Deuane on 03-24-2010

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 75 |  Reviews: 71
Reviews by TMoney2591:
Photo of TMoney2591
4.57/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Served in a stemless Leute Bok glass.

Wedge421 once again receives the thanks for sending this guy along!

My first roggenbier, and, based on the below, hopefully not my last. It pours a hazer dark amber, a nice tawny shade, with a healthy white foamy head that lingers once it shrinks to the third-of-a-finger level. The nose is yeast, wheat bread, cracked pepper, light orange zest, and that ethereal scent that I can really only describe as "spice". Mmm. The taste is similar to a hefe, with a spicy twist: notes of banana, clove, rye, that crazy "spice" thing again, citrus peel, and peppercorn. The body is a light medium, with moderate carbonation and a crisp, refreshing finish. I thoroughly enjoyed this beer and had a hard time keeping it in my glass (greedy-ass mouth!). I can't for the life of me imagine why more breweries don't keep a roggen in there usual stable instead of a normal wheat beer. Somebody jump on this!

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Photo of tigg924
4.42/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on tap at the Union Ale House

Appearance: orange/brown in color, minimal inch head, cloudy, moderate carbonation

Smell: citrus hops and rye

Taste: big dose of rye and some citrus hops

Mouthfeel: low carbonation, semi-sweet, medium/heavy bodied

Drinkability: I wish they would bottle this around here. This is one of the better examples of the style. The rye comes gushing out and the look is amazing. Could have several of these.

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Photo of Mora2000
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to jjfoodie for sharing this beer.

This is my first Roggenbier, only a handful of styles left to go.

The beer pours a murky orange color with a white head. The aroma is caramel, malt and fruit along with some vanilla and oak. The flavor is caramel and dark fruit along with wheat and some spices, possibly from the rye. Having never had the style before I am not sure what to expect, but I don't get near as much rye as I expected. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation.

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Photo of Beerandraiderfan
3.56/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Impressive orangey colors, lots of foam. Aroma is very witbeerish, coriander and that yeast flava we've all come to know. Can't really say I pick up on the rye in the aroma.

Taste wise, strangely pairs quite well with spicy foods, even though I don't really catch the rye from pretty much any aspect, or maybe its just because the rye isn't paired with hops, the usual delivery mechanism I've had with rye. Has a lot of what I typically identify as belgian yeast feel to it. Some orange peel feel to it as well, hardly noticeable. Very much like a wheat beer moreso than a rye. Enjoyable, definitely different. Wouldn't mortgage the house for it, but definitely worth checking out on the unique tip.

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Photo of mdaschaf
3.92/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Finally found my notes for this beer stuff in my desk. Thanks to THECPJ for this one.

A: Pours a dark orange/brown color with a one finger head on top. Not much retention or lacing.

S: Starts off with some wheat and a bit of citrus - mostly orange peel and a little lemon zest. Some caramel and a touch of rye as well.

T: Starts off with a bit of rye and some spice. A little bready with some light caramel and faint citrus flavors and touch of banana and yeast.

M: Medium bodied, somewhat smooth and creamy, with medium to high carbonation.

O: An interesting beer, and my first in the style. Would like to see more of these made and would definitely like to try another one sometime. When I was up in Boston, there was one on tap but couldn't make it to that restaurant.

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Photo of SeasonalBrew
4.45/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured into a standard pint glass as I watch the World Cup semifinal between Germany and Spain.

A: Pours a deep copper color with a creamy 1/2 inch off-white head. It is actually quite hazy.. no seeing through this beer!

S: Not a very strong scent, but enough to pull out different characteristics.. banana and cloves are what strike me first, followed by pepper/spice that reminds me of a typical Belgian beer. A little bit of rye and bready malts linger in there, as well.

T: Immediately you are hit with sweet malts and some fruity notes. The sweetness hangs on as the fruity notes transition into a mild spiciness. The rye finally makes an appearance as it finishes with a grainy, bread-like taste.

M: Medium-bodied with a perfect amount of carbonation. Drinks very smooth and slightly creamy. Something about the feel is just very satisfying.

D: Heck yeah, this is drinkable.. very drinkable! This was a new style for me and now one I wouldn't mind having more! I could have this any day, especially after work on a 93 degree day like today.

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Photo of nickd717
3.39/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Rating transcribed from August 2010 notes.

The appearance on this one is, sad to say, not what I like to see. Cloudy orangish-amber in color with a small fading whitish head.

The aroma is nice. Wheat, caramel, rye, orange peel, and German yeast.

The Munich malt is big in the flavor along with the wheat. Light toastiness and caramel along with orange/citrus, rye, and loads of wheat. Decently tasty.

Average mouthfeel - medium body and soft carbonation.

Didn't really do it for me overall, but wasn't a bad beer at all.

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Photo of Kegatron
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle into a Weizen glass.

Pours a hazy coppery orange, topped with a ½ finger of slightly off-white colored head. This retains with a thin layer that hangs tough and throws a rich creamy cascade up lace up on the sides of the glass which quickly slides down. The aroma is floral feeling with a crisp sweetness to it in the nose. The yeast mixes with the light notes of bready rye to impart a fruity and spicy smelling twang to this. Good overall impression here of a Hefe profile with some light rye character floating around in it.

The taste is tangy overall with toasted wheat and fruit. Peppery spice from the yeast gives this some zip on the tongue. Bitterness is light but present, giving this a touch of earthy flavor which mixes with the rye notes to finish this with a gritty parching dryness. The mouthfeel is lighter-medium bodied, with a smooth feeling crispness in the mouth that easily glides across the palate. This has quite the refreshing presence here.

I've heard people describe this as Dream Weaver with some rye thrown in and that isn't too far off the mark here. This was clean feeling though and well balanced and I like that the rye added some extra punch to this without overtaking the other Weizen flavors that were present. Tasty and unique, this was another solid Scratch offering.

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Photo of akorsak
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 12 oz bottle purchased at the brewery a few months back. Following up one wheat beer (a saison) with another.

A: The roggenbier shows off its rye edge with a darker orange hue, one that has ample copper brown to balance out the sunset orange. A finger and a half of head buffet the beer, craggy with high potential for lacing.

S: Banana and clove aromas, very weizen-like, are the driving force behind the ale. I love a good weizen and this ale doesn't disappoint. A bit of rye wouldn't be unwelcome but I like what I have.

T: The rye is there, just give the first sip a chance. The darker grains create a rich bready flavor that crowds out the weizen elements initially. Spicy and chewy, the rye has a nice zing. The rye-weizen transition brings both flavors to the forefront before allowing the tart wheat and weizen to shine through. The yeast stands out over the wheat, with banana and clove giving it all they've got. I really like the polar opposites of the ale, the start is all rye and the finish all weizen.

M: The rye to weizen, I mean who'da thought that that pairing would work so nicely? I love the wheat tartness that lingers long after each sip is gone.

D: A combination that I'd never think would work. I dig every aspect, from the chewiness up front to the German wheat in the finish. Well done.

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Photo of JohnGalt1
4.05/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Inflatablechair pulled this one out over the weekend... Thanks Sammy!!!!

Pours a hazy deep golden with a big white head... great lacing and retention.

Nose is a spicy and very fruity hefe.. some clove and apricot... not real melding.. with every sniff, something else jumps out of the glass.

Flavor has all the hefe elements... plenty of banana and lesser clove.. yet the fruity apricot still shows with some force... bubblegum is there... so is some background lemon zest on the finish..

Boatloads of complexities on such a small brew... lite/medium body with a creamy carbonation..

Yummy and surprisingly complex... Thanks goes out to my Northend Buddy Inflatablechair.


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4.25/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

"German-style Rye". Draft pour, served in a pint glass.

A: A finger and a half of bright frothy white head sits proudly above the pale medium-dark orange colored body. The body is cloudy since this beer is unfiltered and brewed with weizenbier yeast. Retention is decent and the head is sticking in chunks. The head subsides into a chunky lopsided collar. Thick, foamy lacing continues all the way down the glass. This beer looks GOOD in a glass.

S: The nose has a smaller rye malt component than expected and is much fruitier. Bubblegum dominates, with banana esters on the nose and palate. Spices full through as well. My first affair with a roggenbier. I would have never guessed how well the banana and rye components work together. But they do. Superbly.

T: Follows the nose closely. Respectable flavor duration. Absolutely tantalizing.

M: The mouthfeel is soft, even tame. Very creamy, lush and enjoyable. Semi thick body and a smooth, creamy texture. Not exactly sure what the mouthfeel is suppose to be, but it is safely in the middle of the road.

D: Highly palatable and very drinkable. I am absolutely floored with the quality of the Scratch Series brews. With no idea what to expect from the roggenbier style, this was aa truly incredible, unexpected surprise.

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Photo of mikesgroove
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very generous trader sent me this as part of a 4 bottle vertical in the recent BIF. I was thrilled as I can complete my scratch series now. Served cold and poured into a pint glass, this one was consumed on 04/17/2010.

The pour was a nice deep amber color and very cloudy and hazy. Settling it starts to take on a nice orange color. Small head fades and lacing starts to take shape down the sides of the glass. Aroma is loaded with spice. Lots of rye coming up here from the start, touches of bready malt and a very earthy, grainy feel overall from it. As I take the first sip tons of rye malts and hints of bready grains wash across the palate. Tight profile with little room for error each sip seems to reinforce the very distinct flavor. Light hops in the finish but nothing that could erase the rich malty profile.

overall very solid. a nice sturdy and very drinkable beer here from troegs.

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Photo of DavoleBomb
4.57/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured into a pint glass. Big thanks to stakem for this one.

4.0 A: Hazy light brown color, like apple cider. One finger of frothy white head with good retention and moderate lacing.

4.5 S: Quite pleasant. Earthy, spicy rye from the front with lots of clove and pepper as well.

4.5 T: Damn, this is tasty. I'm pretty sure this is my first roggenbier, but if they taste like this, I'm going to start actively searching for them. Taste follows the nose to a tee. Spicy earthy rye is most dominant, with clove and pepper.

4.5 M: Medium body. Good moderate carbonation. Super creamy and smooth with a clean finish.

5.0 D: Seems like everything Troegs makes is amazing and this is no exception. I hope they make this a regular or at least a seasonal. I'm going to have to start filling their inboxes with messages of delight.

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Photo of GbVDave
3.97/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a 20oz imperial pint. Special thanks to Ineedabeerhere for this from our most recent trade!

A: Pours the color and clarity of roadside stand apple cider. Completely opaque. Perched on top was 1 1/2 fingers of creamy eggshell colored foam. Retention was fair with the end result being a thin ring with a few whisps of skim. No lace or very much carbonation to speak of.

S: Rich, yeasty aromas here. Clove, banana, fruit, and bread.

T: Just as above with the addition of caramel apples, toasted rye bread crust, and a hint of lemon and/or tart orange.

M: Smooth and coating with a pleasant rye bitterness. Finishes dry with a hint of spice rack spiciness.

D: Pretty interesting and certainly refreshing on this warm and humid Chicago summer day. Thanks Joe!

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Photo of Thorpe429
4.37/5  rDev +10.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Reviewed from notes. Picked up a case of this at the brewery shortly after it came out.

Pours a nice golden color with a good amount of haze. Several fingers of lacing in my glass and some nice lacing on the way down. The nose is very nice with some light spice as well as citrus and fruit. The taste is citrus, fruit, spice, and some zest, all of which are really enhanced by the creamy mouthfeel. This was the first roggenbier that I had and I found it to be quite delicious.

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Photo of grub
3.77/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Viggo brought this one over. thanks eric!

12oz bottle. sampled may 1/2010.

pours hazy pale orange with a thin layer of fine light tan head. the head drops slowly and leaves a few thin strands of lace.

aroma is neat. caramel and butterscotch. whole wheat bread and biscuit. bit of rye bread and cracker. candy, tropical fruit, and spice that all make me think of a belgian pale ale or saison. bit of banana. light alcohol.

taste is nice. caramel and butterscotch. light banana. tropical fruit. whole wheat bread. biscuit. light cracker and rye bread. bit of spice that feels more belgian than german. very low bitterness level. light sweetness. hint of alcohol.

mouthfeel is good. just over medium body. medium carbonation level.

drinkability is good. nicely balanced. veers a little more belgian than german, but still pretty interesting.

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Photo of AleWatcher
3.94/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is like a German malty rye version of a Saison. Not bad.

Hazy apricot-rust color with small offwhite head. Minimal lacing and retention.
The smell has a slight hint off sour-mash going on, with some spicy and dry rye notes. Lemon grass makes an appearance as well.
The flavor follows the nose with a slight sweetness up front, a little acidic sourmash vibe, spiced rye, lemon grasss, and a hint of toffee on the finish.
Mild to low bitterness. Very lightly hopped. Body is light and surprisingly airy feeling-- it feels more carbonated than it looks.
Overall-- an interesting beer. This was tasty enough that I want to seek out some more Roggenbiers and try them now!

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Photo of PDXHops
3.88/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle from Ryan011235, poured into a La Chouffe tulip. Hazy caramel body topped with a smallish creamy head that leaves a surprising amount of soapy lacing.

A light but persistent spiciness in the nose seems to build in intensity with each sip. Plenty of rye, but also cloves and white pepper, perhaps some orange zest. Flavors of bubblegum and banana bring a weizen to mind. Nicely thick and malty, but much more bready than sweet. Dries out at the swallow with a lingering tangy yeastiness. Nice balance of flavors; if this weren't a retired beer, I'd certainly give it a shot again.

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Photo of Ryan011235
4.03/5  rDev +2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a pint glass on 6/10/10

Thanks to wedge421

Very dense & cloudy, the color is a faded tobacco sunburst. Poured one & a half fingers of foam that drops to 1/8th inch quickly. Retention is a thinnish skim with a few bubbles. Great lacing, though.

Equal parts earthy, fruity & floral, the aroma is full of spicy rye notes. Grassy undertones sit beneath wisps of orange peel & tart apple. I'm inclined to think coriander is in there, too. It has a juicy kick to it, but doesn't see too sweet.

Scratch 28 tastes remarkably identical to how it smells. Dry, toasted rye gives way to notes of light fruit - orange pith & pear. Mild spices; still thinking coriander. Though there are a few minuscule hints of sweetness toward the middle, the beer really dries out before the finish. Subtle earthy hop notes. Tart yeastiness, too.

Somewhere between medium & light-bodied. Moderately low carbonation seems to fill out the perceived weight of the beer. Finishes quickly with spicy rye lingering for a few moments.

As my first foray into the Roggenbier style, I have nothing by which to compare it. Even still, Scratch 28 is plenty tasty & not lacking on the enjoyment factor. It has a vague familiarity about it, actually. I'll keep an eye out for this style in the future.

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Photo of rodbeermunch
3.41/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Found myself really digging the appearance of a day glow orange much like a studly ipa on this one, ample 3/5" head. Aroma imparted way more spice rack than rye, here comes the coriander, banana bread feels.

Taste still didn't drop the rye on you, it did come off like a weizenbock/hefeweizen more than a roggenbier. So much of those belgian yeast feels in here.

Glad to try, but this isn't a type of beer where I could see drinking a 6 pack or whatnot.

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Photo of womencantsail
4.3/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Mike for sending me this one. Another new style and this one sounds quite interesting.

A: The pour is an amber color with a fair amount of haze and a fluffy, off-white head.

S: The typical German yeast contributions come out with nice banana and clove notes. The rye does not seem to be all that intense, though.

T: A very nice malty sweetness to go with the fruity and mildly spicy esters. The rye helps to enhance the spice from the yeast, but does not contribute all that much.

M: Medium body with a smooth carbonation.

D: A very nice beer. I would like to see more of this style because it was a very enjoyable drinking experience.

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Photo of oregonskibum
4.27/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a tulip glass.

A: Pours a very hazy, cloudy orange. Definitely unfiltered. Thin 1/2 inch, white head.

S: Smell is interesting, in a good way. Lots of spicy rye flavors, some fruity apricot notes, and a touch of sourness.

T: First impression of the beer is that it's closer to a Belgian than a German style. The yeast, faint souriness, and spiciness remind me of a Belgian. But the rye adds some nice complexity that I find hard to describe. A little bready with some faint fruity undertones. Finish is a little on the light side.

M: Medium body with medium to high carbonation.

D: When first opening, I wasn't sure. But this beer grew on me throughout the tasting. It is interesting and unlike anything else I've tried before. I would seek this out again, just to continue to explore the different flavors in the beer.

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Photo of ktrillionaire
4.22/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Huge thanks to Thorpe429 for hooking up me and jerz with the Roggen-brew.

A - It pours an orangey iced tea hue, a bit hazy, with a bit of tan froth.

S - Vague banana-lemon-coriander-nutmeg. Very interesting.

T - Great taste. Unusual combination of smooth and sweet grain flavor and fruity esters; I get banana, though it is more like banana chips, and I also get a fused banana-mint-chocolate taste on a minor level, which contributes a wealth of intrigue. I am impressed, bottom line.

M - Medium-bodied and quite smooth.

D - This is the best Roggenbier I've ever had. This is the only Roggenbier I've ever had. If all Roggenbier is this good, why don't they brew more of it? More than a curiosity, this brew... If I am basing my opinion on this solitary example, I would say that this is a fantastic style and I want more.

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Photo of Deuane
4/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A medieval German ale made with 25% rye malt and 25% Wheat malt fermented with Klosterbrauerei Andechs Hefe yeast. This creation is "naturtrüb," meaning naturally turbid. A yeast-turbid Roggenbier is more authentic considering that the style has been around long before beer filtration was invented.

A-Hazy golden orange copper with a thick, heavy off-white head that reduced to a thin cap and left nice lace.

S-A combination of spicy rye zing and musty, light lemon rind and apple/pear. A pleasant combo that reminds me of Naked Elf.

T-Much as in the aroma a well balanced combination of spice, fruit and lightly sweet biscuit malt. Lemon rind bitterness builds with warming.

M-Medium-light to medium bodied with good lingering flavours.

D-Good but this one doesn't rock me like so many of the Scratch Beers have. Certainly nothing wrong with it, although I am not 100% sold on using the Hefe yeast. I do tip my hat to The Brothers and Co. for taking on and making this rather rare style.

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Photo of DefenCorps
3.68/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thank you, Nate.

Pouring a turbid orange with yellow-orange "highlights", this beer is capped with a dense, beige head with exceptional retention and lacing. On par for an IPA IMO.

The nose is interesting. Quite tropical fruit-like with papaya, there's a moderate hop character on the nose. It also does smell like a weizen yeast was used to ferment this, as there is some banana and clove character present. The rye is rather prominent, spicy and rather simple. The palate is rather intensely spiced with rye, it permeates the entirety of this beer. Spicy, drying, bready along with a moderate weizen yeast character in the mid-palate. The clove of the yeast blended with the rye spiciness is unique, and the banana does make this rather over the top too. Intensely rye-like on the finish, if you like rye you'll be hard pressed not to like this. Medium-light in body with moderate carbonation, this beer has a rather intense finish with plenty of rye. The mid-palate is a touch watery too. I'm glad I got to try this, but I'd be hard pressed to drink a lot of it. Still, it's something I'd drink on occasion.

This is the second roggenbier I've had (the other being the Schlagl Roggen), and this is completely unlike it. Not as balanced, not as drinkable. Decidedly unique, though.

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Scratch Beer 28 - 2010 (Troggen Roggen) from Tröegs Brewing Company
Beer rating: 73.3% out of 100 with 75 ratings
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