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Short's Noble Chaos OktoberfestShort's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest

Brewed by:
Short's Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Märzen / Oktoberfest

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Fall

Notes / Commercial Description:
Our new fall seasonal which is a Northern Michigan version of a German style Marzen or Oktoberfest, done the Short's Brew way. This beer is well balanced with Noble hop additions which provide a subtle bouquet and pleasant flavor which melds well with the malt profile consisting of 2 row, chocolate, special roast, caramel and Munich malts.  It's a brand new addition to the Short's Brew family of beer.
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Reviews: 79 | Ratings: 249
Photo of CharlesDarwin
3.82/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Ashley’s - Ann Arbor, MI - Nov 20, 2007. Aroma is a muddling of grain sugars, earthy spice and nips of Munich. Pours a middle brown, clouded and with tinted head. Flavor is a mostly generic bread malt, with rather gummy hops, a bouquet of light estery fruits, and a earthy chocolate touches. A certain tint of more caramelized or dark Munich malt, which is interesting. Not your typical Munich flavor, this has been messed with (no way...). Finishes dry and clean, with a good tooth of the gummy hops. When i had this, I had no idea what style it was, and I regarded it as a rather generic middle malt beer. So, as a Marzen, that makes sense and it doesn’t do a terrible job, but it could have clarified the malt profile and lager output a little bit.

12oz Bottle - SEP 18, 2010. Thanks, Sean! Ah, relief. Big cheerios and whole grain nose, full of classic O-fest malts. Translucent orange pour with a tan head. Flavors are generally sweet and well-defined, but show above-average hoppiness for the style, which I’m enjoying. Fresh, clean, malty and bright. A nice change of pace from the last two beers. Having had this twice now, I’m starting to see it as a classic Michigan Oktoberfest.

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Photo of syrupjoe
3.18/5  rDev -14.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle into pint glass.

Pours a dark amber with a bit of brown. 1 finger off-white head and good consistent lacing.

Nose is grainy (Munich malt really comes out), bready, caramelly, and biscuity. Slight amount of honey.

Taste is malt-forward, roasty, bitter, slightly sour, caramelly, slightly watery. Very reminiscent of a brown or mild ale. Small amount of hop bitterness.

Low carbonation, a small amount of hop resin feel, and moderate dryness.

Overall an okay beer, but doesn't really seem that full-bodied or well-rounded.

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Photo of youngleo
3.06/5  rDev -17.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured to a nice two fingered offwhite head with some semi big bubbles. Beer itself was a light brown in color. Head hung around a while and left some decent lacing. Smelled slightly sweet and also of malt. I thought it was actually light tasting. The flavors tasted like they were watered down. Just notes of malt and light caramel flavors. Had a slight bitter aftertaste. Felt good in the mouth. Carbonation was about right. I expected more flavor. I might try again next year to see if anything has changed.

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Photo of afdempse
3.76/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Copper colored liquid. Nice long-lasting light tan head.

Aroma of caramel, caramel sugary maltiness and slight spice hints as well.

Flavor is sweet malt, caramel, and a marshmallow-candy flavor. Noble hop spice at the end.

Body is slightly creamy, almost lactose-like. Lots of dextrins give the beer some chew. Finishes semi-sweet.

Overall, a nice drinkable Short's brew. A little sweet for my preference, but a fresh take on the style that I enjoyed.

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Photo of Huhzubendah
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks Adam!

The beer appears dark orange and hazy, with a quarter inch of off white head. The aroma is very pleasant, with malt, fruit, and sugar candies. Pretty sweet, with a cotton candy flavor. Really creamy feel, with a lasting sweetness on the palate. Marshmallows? Medium thin body with adequate carbonation. Pretty good beer. The sweet nature of this brew limits this to one serving for me.

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Photo of heebes
3.19/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep orange brown with a finger of yellow tan head. Nose is grass, yeast, bourbon and past it's prime malts. Taste is more malt based, seems like a chaotic blend of the different bases used. Bit of hop bite, caramel and some chocolate. Burnt and roasted notes. Mouthfeel us medium heavy, dry and slightly bitter.
Overall, it's got a Shorts spin allright. Different though not exactly done to style very well. I like the cocoa and coffee notes from the malts but it lacks consistency / multiple return. One and done.

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Photo of brew3crew
4.28/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On tap at hopcat CBS day. Oh what a day!

A-golden body with white head that sticks around for awhile

S-nice hop aroma that doesn't overpower

T-nice hoppy body with very smooth finish

M-medium body and oh so smooth. Should be as 4.25

O-very good remix of the style 4.25

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Photo of DannyDan
4.23/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A. Pours a dark copper with off white head that maintains good retention with some nice lacing.
S. Get some caramel malts and hops.
T. The taste starts out with some sweet caramel malts followed by some pine and citrus hops and finishes off with some chocolate and more caramel.
M. Smooth, creamy and easy to drink
O. A very enjoyable beer. Seems to be a cross between an Oktoberfest and an IPA. Not quite as sweet as an Oktoberfest, but not as bitter as an IPA. Something I think will be enjoyed by IPA and Oktoberfest drinkers. Great job Shorts.

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Photo of divineaudio
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

bottle into a pokal glass.

a - pours a vivid, reddish, amber color and forms a finger worth of off white head. after calming i get a thin film and a few rings of lacing.

s - bready with notes of dark fruits and a nice earthy funk.

t - light carmel malt with some dark fruits and tons of hop character. earthy/herbal with a bitterness that lingers and a dry finish. bitterness becomes more pronounced as it warms.

m - on the thin side with adequate carbonation.

o - not malt forward like most examples of the style, but i quite enjoyed it. a solid beer in my book. another reviewer said it tastes like a fall evening, i think that's a pretty accurate description.

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Photo of Verecund
2.58/5  rDev -30.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

September 25, 2011. As usual, this has a great label.

Pours an almost-opaque, lightly red hued brown with splatchy bubbles sitting still on the top of the surface.

Very nutty and aromatic. Toasted bread and an accompanying sweetness I've experienced in a few Short's beers (Woodmaster comes to mind) that reminds me of tropical fruit Starburst. Weird, but I'll take it.

Anonymous maltiness with a little bit of toasted quality. Lightly nutty. The weird character is due to the hops - sure enough, it's spicy, particularly on the finish, but also a bit earthy and herbal as it blends into the malty backbone. Lingering bitterness.

Just over medium in body, with surprisingly low carbonation. Heavy on the tongue.

I prefer a more traditional Märzen, I think. My uneducated guess is that brewing this in March with a heavy-handed dose of Noble hops leads to the odd, old bitterness one experiences on the finish here. Not my favorite.

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Photo of waltonc
3.08/5  rDev -17.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours hazy amber with white head. Honestly, this doesn't smell or taste much like an Oktoberfest to me. Must be the noble hops. I understand, after reading how this beer is brewed, that this was the intent. But the reason I like oktoberfests so much is the nice malt bill and low hop factor. So this isn't my kind of beer.

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Photo of jmunsters
4.23/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle into a pint glass

A- Frothy 1 1/2 finger head quickly dissipates to much more dense 1/2 finger head clinging to the side of the glass. Body is a beautiful golden copper. Slight sediment.

S- Roasted caramel and chocolates. Slight sweetness. Malty over hops.

T- Roasted malts followed by a distinct crispness. The sweetness and roasted flavor make this almost a nice warm brown. The Noble hops are apparent on the finish providing a nice clean touch.

M- Medium to heavy feeling. Moderate carbonation, just about right. Very clean.

O- It's much more a cross between a well-hopped pils, and a rich nut brown than what most would consider a "traditional" Oktoberfest beer. I really enjoyed it. It tastes like the color of autumn leaves.

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Photo of GRPunk
3.75/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into a mug.

A- A moderate pour created a 1-finger, khaki head that retains at about 1/2-finger and leaves good sticky spots on the glass. There's a rich, copper body that is jus slightly hazed and showcases heavy carbonation. A little sediment is left in the bottle. Is this an unfiltered lager?

S- Quite toasty right off the bat. Sweetness seems more fruity or even like a lactic addition than caramel at first. Warmth brings out caramel and roasted nuts. The sweetness really mellows with warmth. Hops aren't a major component in the aroma, but do bring a light spicyness.

T- Much as the aroma suggests at first. Malt forward with a lot of toasty character. Heavy, nutty presence. The underlying sweetness is a bit like caramel. This almost comes off as a nutty, brown ale. There's a peanut and grainy flavor toward the end. Spicy hops in the finish aren't overpowering, but definitely present. Very fall-like with the robust flavors.

M- Full body. Heavy carbonation. Light hop bite. Maybe a little grainy for the style. Not as clean as a lot of beers in the category that get a long lagering period.

O- As Shorts often does, this is a different take on the style. The toasty/nutty qualities threw me at first, but were pleasant. I can't suggest it as a traditional Oktoberfest, but I enjoyed it all the same. Bold flavors may lend this as a good choice as the fall weather turns colder.

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Photo of mactrail
3.28/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Beautiful coppery amber. Slight roasted barley nose. Starts out with a nice chocolate flavor and some malt sweetness, but gets drier and drier as you sip. Quite sharp in flavor. Light bodied. Some interesting roasted malt flavors but quite bitter. I can taste the Marzen base, but it seems overwhelmed by the excess of hops, noble or otherwise. So call it an Amber Ale, but that doesn't make it any more enjoyable. Appearance is nice with good lacing in the tulip glass.

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Photo of GoldenChild
5/5  rDev +34.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

My favorite time of year!

Out of a bottle into a glass.

This in my opinion the BEST Oktoberfest ever. Smells amazing lots of chocolate and nuttiness.

Nice off white head. Dark orange cloudy beer

Smooth, perfect carbonation and mouth feel.

Chocolate, Hazelnut, and Yumminess.

Very drinkable beer. Surprised by so many low ratings. Perfect cold weather beer.

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Photo of alpinebryant
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received in trade from Scoot1969, Thanks

A: Healthy light tan head on a clear but slightly hazy brown body.

S: Healthy caramel scents with bread and raisin undertones.

T: Taste is pretty strong for an Oktoberfest. I can really apprecciate the additional flavors of this, it just isnt quite brewed to authentic style. It is always hard to rate a beer to style when it tastes great, I just think that this is a little too powerful with some spices, notably some cocoa as I have seen noted by others. Clean taste profile but slightly over bittered as well perhaps from the cocoa.

M: Medium to thick for the style. Heavy bread notes with some rye grain tastes.

O: I can drink it and it would go down easy if I had more .

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Photo of warnerry
3.73/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Notes from fall 2010

Pours a cloudy amber with one finger of head and some decent lacing left behind. Smell is pretty straightforward bready and roasty malts. This is definitely the hoppiest Oktoberfest I've ever had, but underneath it maintains the slightly sweet Marzen style. :Leaves some lingering bitterness on the tongue. Overall pretty good, if not the most traditional take on the style.

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Photo of HappyHourHero
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Clean, moderately strong aroma dominated by malt and bready character with faint earthy hop notes. Poured a short off-white head that faded briskly to a thin film. Good clarity from the deep amber colored beer. Clean bready flavor up front is lightly sweet. Fairly strong cocoa flavor and a moderate bitterness make up the finish. Finishes fairly clean with a light lingering bitterness. Smooth, moderately light body makes it easy to drink. The cocoa flavor is pretty strong and strange for the style. I wouldn't say it ruins the beer, but I do wonder what it would taste like without it. Probably more of a Dunkel.

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Photo of craytonic
3.43/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Cloudy amber pour with a bit of lacing

Smell: Roasted nuts and malts/grain

Taste: Roast/toasted nuts and grains, bit of subdued hops. SOme caramel and toffee as well.

Mouthfeel: Slightly chewy

Drinkability: Odd beer, I didnn't finish it.

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Photo of MarvinTheMarzen
3.74/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I'm a bit confused by this beer. It has some of the characteristics of a great Marzen but it has some unique qualities too. The beer pours a lovely amber with a low, short-lived head. If you didn't know about the Noble hops the smell could be off-putting. The taste is good - a bit of a bite but not as hoppy as the Summit Oktoberfest. Overall, quite pleasant.

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Photo of billab914
2.64/5  rDev -29%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into my Dogfish shaped pint glass. It poured a very murky, dark caramel color. The head filled the top inch of the glass at first but settled relatively fast. Some nice lacing was left as I drank it.

The aroma has a lot of fruit and citrus to it. Orange, lemon and apple seem come out of a unique sort of tart crispness I get form a lot of Shorts brews. It's not bad or infected, just kind of odd. Some herbal, citrusy hops are the next biggest flavor to it with some sweet malty notes following.

The taste shows some of the same fruity flavors to it right off the bat. Apple and pear seem to come through more, while just some hints of the orange and lemon come through. It has a resiny, herbal hop presence to it as well. Again kind of a pattern of this flavor in several of the Shorts beers I've had. As you get to the finish it gets much sweeter with a lot of malt to it. Strange beer for the style.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied with moderate and slightly sharp carbonation. Drinkability isn't that great, the flavors are just very strange for the style. The sweetness mixed with the tart fruit flavors just didn't work for me.

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Photo of nkersten
3.41/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Erik for including this one. Pours a burnt orange with a nice white cap that fades to a collar with good lacing. One of the better looking marzens I have had. Smell is malty lager balanced nicely with floral and spicy hops. Has some of the typical Shorts smells - not quite off, yet unique and not entirely beneficial to the beer. Taste is similar to many shorts beers as well... A great smelling beer followed by a rather boring flavor profile. Light malt, some caramel and chocolate malts, slightly roasty, barely noticeable hop balance. Hardly any malt sweetness makes this one kind of bland. Mouthfeel is medium bodied and medium carbonation. Overall, this beer has everything going for it but the taste - a bit too watery and bland.

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Photo of brentk56
3.48/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a cloudy amber color with a two fingered head that leaves some shards of lacing behind

Smell: Toasty, with a grassy hop character

Taste: The toast, up front, is quickly joined by the grassy hops and a surprisingly roasty herbacious character that lingers after the swallow and into the aftertaste

Mouthfeel: Medium body with moderate carbonation

Drinkability: Definitely an unusual take on the style and one I don't much care for, sad to say

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Photo of Khazadum
3.57/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Huge thanks to Sarro for this extra. I was shocked and amazed to see this included. Chilled and poured into my favorite pint glass!

A- Tough job creating a large volume of head, but what does develop is creamy for a few moments, and explosive after that. Tons of large bubbles dominate the plane of view. Turbid copper body attempts to hide the massive amounts of carbonation in this brew. Thick collar of whipped cream thickness begins to stick to the side giving some solid lacing.

S- Short's definitely has their own take on an Oktoberfest. This is at once floral and fruity in terms of the hop profile. I smell grapefruits and plums instantly. Following that there is a slight bready musk to it. The hops are the main player here, though.

T- Unfortunately the sweet nose does not translate as effectively as I want into the flavors. Opens instantly bitter, resinous, and piny. Its unnerving that there is no sweetness or citrus to balance it. Instead a minor amount of malt body creeps forward. Some fruity apples mingle with a biscuit leaving me with a teasing brew.

If we had a heavy caramel or apple body we may have a fantastic offering. Alas, it becomes run of the mill.

M- Medium bodied. It strives to be full, but it doesn't have to be. Crisp with an excess of carbonation. It leaves me wanting in terms of lingering flavors. Very clean on the finish, not much to it.

D- Its easy to drink, a tad bit different, and enjoyable to smell. Its a decent offering, but nothing genre breaking. I'd probably pass on the opportunity to drink this again.

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Photo of glid02
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Lee - thanks!

Pours a clear chestnut brown color with a one-finger cream-colored head. The head recedes into a thin layer on top leaving decent lacing.

Smells of smooth caramel malts with hints of breadiness. Also present are mild amounts of earthy hops that intensify as the beer warms.

Tastes very similar to how it smells. Mildly dry caramel malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by solid bready flavors. Midway through the sip the malt flavors sweeten a bit before they're tempered by small amounts of earthy hop flavors. The hops fade out into a mildly bitter ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with moderate carbonation.

Drinkability is also good. I finished my glass without a problem and could have another.

Overall this was a solid beer for the style that was a bit drier than the best examples. Still, a solid and closer to traditional beer from Short's that's worth a shot.

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