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Short's Noble Chaos OktoberfestShort's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest

Brewed by:
Short's Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Märzen / Oktoberfest

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Fall

Notes / Commercial Description:
Our new fall seasonal which is a Northern Michigan version of a German style Marzen or Oktoberfest, done the Short's Brew way. This beer is well balanced with Noble hop additions which provide a subtle bouquet and pleasant flavor which melds well with the malt profile consisting of 2 row, chocolate, special roast, caramel and Munich malts.  It's a brand new addition to the Short's Brew family of beer.
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Photo of flexabull
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Another Shorts brew courtesy of mikesgroove, thanks again!

Pours a bright amber color with an ok head, some lacing.

Aromas are of caramel malts, brewed tea, roasted nuts, and some tartness as well.

Taste is bready, nutty, and with some creamy toasted malts. Some light caramel, brewed tea, and a dry earthy pine hop note on the finish.

Mouthfeel is decent, a little on the light side though.

Drinkability is good. This is easy to sip, tasty and complex. Another solid Shorts beer.

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Photo of bierenutz
3.88/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Pours a clear amber brown color with less than a finger width head of quickly dissapating foam and minimal lacing on the glass.
S-Malty, bready aroma with some sweetness of caramel or syrup.
T-Roasted malt richness with some piney hops but an oakey-smokey finish and afternotes.
M-Medium feel and carbonation. Refreshing and clean.
D-Nice beer and a little different for this style, but in a good way.

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Photo of JamnesCameron
2.93/5  rDev -21.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured into a New Holland pint glass.

Pours a deep amber with about a finger of light tan head. The head disappears quickly leaving a whisp of foam.

Aromas of malt and earthy/piney hops.

First sip is of tannins, resiny hop bitterness which seems out of character, and some malt and caramel in the background. A very hop forward oktoberfest. Actually, it tastes nothing like an oktoberfest. The malt backbone is there, but it is overwhelmed by the bitterness.

Mouthfeel is prickly carbonation and a little thin.

Drinkability is okay. Not what I want in an oktoberfest, but good none the less.

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Photo of SpdKilz
4.1/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A big thanks to erikkoppin for this great Short's brew. Cheers!

Appearance - Pours into my Bell's tulip with a dark golden toffee color. About a finger of tan head is achieved with a moderate pour, that dissipates quickly leaving nice looking lacing on the side s of the glass.

Smell - Caramel, bready malts, slight piney hops, smoke/earth, apple, and slight spices.

Taste - The initial taste is a relatively smoky/toasted malt flavor which honestly took me by surprise. I was not expecting this heavy of said flavor up front in this style of beer. This fades to nice toffee, caramel, and bready notes in the middle, and the taste finishes up with a distinct and nice dry hoppy flavor mixed in with an earthiness. Very unique for this style but I am digging it a lot.

Mouthfeel - Medium bodied, oily, prickly carbonation, and again, finishes on a dry note.

Drinkability - If this was in six packs, this would be my new favorite Oktoberfest. I really enjoyed this beer, in a style I don't often enjoy (probably why I did like this so much, heh). Extremely quaffable and enjoyable.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.58/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A solid pour into into my 25cl tulip glass produces a three finger thick, pale amber tinged, light tan colored head. The beer is a deep amber color that shows a lightly hazed, dark copper / amber hue when held up to the light. The aroma smells amply of caramelized malt, toasted grain and even some ample, for the color, roast character towards the finish. A touch of lightly spicy and herbal hop notes lie underneath the more dominant malt character and at times gets completely lost within it.

Lightly sweet tasting with a soft herbal hop character up front, but this quickly disappears underneath a soft, but distinctive roasted malt in the finish that tastes a bit like burnt toast, but with out the burnt bitterness. This is very lightly roasty, but it does have quite a bit more roast character than one would guess by the color of this beer. The middle has a caramelized malt character that evokes thoughts of berries, this also is ultimately out muscled by the roast character in the finish, but unlike the hops it never quite disappears. The texture of this beer is nicely appropriate for a beer for the Autumn, it is a touch chewy and has some a character that leaves it lightly clinging viscously to the palate.

What a weird beer; it is interesting and tasty, but the roast character keeps throwing me off for some reason, it doesn't really seem to mesh with the rest of the beer. Still, I am definitely enjoying this beer, it just might have a bit too much roast character.

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Photo of dfillius
3.27/5  rDev -12.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured into a pint glass

A: Aggressive pour yields 1 finger tan rocky head with good retention. Cloudy brown liquid is not the best looking due to murkiness - clearer please. Great head.

S: Sweet and sour. Smells like New Glarus Imperial Saison or Old English Porter.

T: Citrus, a tad metallic. Some caramel malt. Chaotic definitely. Not cohesive. Off-flavory. Another (rare) miss from Short's

M: Crisp, astringent, pleasant and unpleasant

D: Would not order another or buy a sixpack. Drank more sips solely to see if it would improve. Unfortunately, it didn't.

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Photo of mymrnngjckt
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into my trusty shaker pint. Not being a fan of Octoberfest in general I wasn't expecting much from this beer. Pours a a dark brown with a one finger head. The smell was surprisingly complex; malts, a bit of citrus, caramel, oatmeal and a nice smokey / apple smell. The tast was very malty but balanced. The mouthfeel was a bit thinner than other Octoberfests I had but I like that quality about this brew.

Not being a fan of the style in general, I was very pleased with this beer. One of the more enjoyable of this style.

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Photo of mikesgroove
3.65/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

so i decided last night to break out 10+, thats right 10+ new shorts beers for a nice sampling with the family. turns out my and my brother in law were the only ones willing to go down this road, so long afternoon for sure. serve cold and consumed on 10/02/2010.

definitley a different take on the style from what i am used to for sure. pours out a light amber color with a nice head of white that caps the top but quickly fades off into a less then ideal lacing.

aroma is not at all what i was expecting as i am picking up a mix here of peppery spice, hints of caramel and vanilla? bready malts and a touch of an earthy, dirty aroma. definitely different. the flavor follows suit quite well with only sparing touches of bready and caramel malts. more of a spiced style with hints of toasted malts and a deep, sweet, odd sort of earthines to it. nice body though with a thin and well carbonate profile.

overall it was very drinkable but just imparted some odd flavors for me. i would do it again now that i know what i am going into in.

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Photo of malty
4.12/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Recently released in 12 oz. six packs for the very first time!

Pours a brilliantly clear chestnut/orange color with a settles dense & creamy 1/2" light beige head. Not much in the way of visible uprising carbonation. Thick, undisturbed rings of lace all the way down.

Smells of rich toasty malt with a hint of toffee and damp forest floor. A hint of caramel apple. Clean, lush and fresh.

Initially tastes like a toasted golden-rimmed over the fire marshmallow. A few quaffs into this ale and the toasted malts really surface and take center stage. There's a bit of an acrid burnt flavor that leans more toward earthy than smoke. A clean and edgy dryness cleanses the palate just as the malt elements start to compound and sticks around for a chalky finish.

Mouthfeel is oily, slick and smack-dab between light and medium bodied. The carbonation is very fine and playful, adding to the dry texture of this beer. The ending is a tad bitter and (again) chalky.

Drinkability is perfect on this sunny 60F October afternoon. This would pair nicely with an assortment of grilled red meats and sausages.

Overall Short's Brewing hits it out of the park again. This is definitely not a tradition German Oktoberfest style. The hops are very much apparent and the toasty qualities of this beer lean more toward an English brown ale. Put that all together and you have a rich, hearty and easily sessionable ale that's perfect for the season. I'll be purchasing more of this while it's still available.

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Photo of alleykatking
4.35/5  rDev +16.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 12oz bottle. Thanks goes out to gratefulbeerhead for yet another great beer. Eric you are amazing!

A- Pours a coppery color with light orange hues. One finger light tan head that has good retention. Sticky web lacing on the sides of the glass.

S- Nice amounts of toasted and toffee malts. There is a sweet brown sugar like aroma that lingers throughout the beer itself. The toasted malts are what come through the most like most Oktoberfest beers.

T- This beer is interesting for the style. There is a light toasted malt in the front of the beer. More toffee like notes come into play with some almost bready caramel notes. There is a brown sugar flavor that is in the middle to ending of the beer. The toasted malts come through again toward the end with a light earthy hop in the ending that balances this one out.

M- Medium light mouthfeel. Carbonation is good for the style and beer. Toasted malts lay on the palate with some light bitter hops in the aftertaste. The alcohol is hanging out in the background but doesn't really dry the palate. Flavors are clean and crisp with no off flavors.

D- This beer is very good. Just enough of a difference in the style that makes it standout. Another great beer from Short's and a easy session beer for me and most others I think.

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Photo of a74gent
3.75/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Getting ready to have some chicken and dumplings with kraut so thought this would be the perfect beer.

A - a nice, murky amber color with a respectable finger of foam that eventually subsided

S - some nice spice notes but not typical..something is dominant, but I can't place it

T - you can taste typical oktoberfest flavors underlying some special short's magic on top. Tough for me to pinpoint what is going on...pretty well balanced, if thin.

M - pretty quick and gone. The weak note on this beer.

D - you could quickly put a few of these away, but at the same time doesn't provide the satisfaction that some other quick drinkers do.

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Photo of Thorpe429
3.06/5  rDev -17.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a dark brown into my pilsner glass. Good lacing as it makes its way down. Nose has a toffee, caramel, roasted malt, touches of sweetness, and some Noble hops, but it's all a bit soft and doesn't fit that well. Strange that I normally really enjoy Short's beers, but some of the more "everyday" ones aren't up my alley. The taste is similar to the nose in that the flavors just don't work all that well and the beer isn't very integrated. Mouthfeel is moderate with okay carbonation. Drinkability is lower as there's nothing I truly like about this beer, unfortunately.

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Photo of enfield249
3.56/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Clear, dark brown, with a slight copper highlight. No head to speak of.

S - Not much, a little brown sugar or molasses. Very slight.

T - Roasty, slightly sweet, with a herbal hop flavor.

M - Medium to full, closer to full. Nice amount of CO2 on the tongue.

D - Very nice fall beer, I could drink this every day from September 30th to Nov. 1

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Photo of zoso1967
4.05/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thank you TCgoalie for this bottle.

Pours a deep copper color and is completly clear. The head is light tan and very small, but what is there has good staying power and leaves very sticky lacing.

The aroma is mostly of toffee and toasted malts. It has some brown sugar notes as well, and a bit of a fresh baked cookie like thing going on, but mostly toasty malt.

The flavor is less robust than some of the other fest beers I have had. sweet toffee and brown sugar mingle with a nice clean maltyness and just a touch of herbal hops. There is a bit of grainy astringency as well, but it passes quickly and gives way to a very toasty and somewhat dry finish.

The mouthfeel is medium, and while it does not seem very substantial in the mouth, the finish itself is a bit chewy and dry. Toasted malt and herbal hops linger on the palate.

Quite drinkable and not as filling as the FestBier I had just a couple days ago. I thought this was a pretty good offering, and is a drinkable and enjoyable Marzen.

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Photo of hosehead83
3.8/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a standard pint glass. Amber/brown in color, with a moderate head of foam.
Aroma-Caramel, sweet malt, spiciness, faint citrus.
Taste-Toasted malt, caramel, milk chocolate note, spicy hop bite that provides a nice balance to the sweet malt.
Overall, another interesting brew from Short's. A hoppier, more balanced take on the typical Oktoberfest/Marzen.

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Photo of thetomG
3.78/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Nice clearish brown pour with some good foamy head that lingers for a bit. Some chunky & spotty lacing left behind. Aroma is a bit mild, but some malty and slightly spicey notes. Flavor is more robust with similar notes as the aroma, but just MORE. Very tasty - this beer screams fall.

I'd drink this again.

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Photo of kzoobrew
4.09/5  rDev +9.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

An unintentional weak pour produces a rather slim head. A stronger pour would have undoubtedly left something more impressive. Pour aside the retention is not great. Head recedes quickly leaving minimal scattered lacing. Body is a clear autumn orange, color well suited for a marzen and fall.

I will admit that Oktoberfest beers are not my favorite though I do love the smell. The smell of fall emanates from the glass rather appropriately for the style. The malt aromas are very warm and bready. Hops display a spicy earthiness which mesh well with the malt.

Noble Chaos is one of those beers that flows. The heavy malt flavor up front merges mid palate with the spicy, grassy hops. Toasted bread with a strong Munich presence roll onto the tongue first. The hops pick up mid palate and become quite assertive. The hops are very earthy leaving heavy amounts of grass and spice on the tongue. Hop profile is much stronger than many beers of this style.

Medium bodied beer with smooth carbonation. The flavor lingers making for a long finish.

This is a beer and a style for me where drinkability depends on the circumstance. In general Noble Chaos is a well crafted beer which is fairly easy to drink. Give me a crisp fall night and a camp fire, I would drink several. Interesting and appreciated interpretation of the style.

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Photo of BMoney575
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Sampled on 8-29-10

Pours a clear amber color, with a thinner off white head and very nice lacing. Spot on for the style.

Smell is light and fruity with a great hop character. Not too sweet or bitter, a perfect fall beer. Surprisingly complex, and very well balanced.

Taste is very malty, an earthy smoke flavor gives way to big, earthy hops. The finish is bitter with a sour citrus kick, with that familiar Short's hop character.

Mouthfeel is good, a nice thickness helps the flavors and strong carbonation helps even things out.

Drinkability is good, though only if you're in a hoppy mood.

Overall, a little too hop-centric for an oktoberfest, but still a very well made beer.

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Photo of Mitchster
3.67/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

$1.69 for a 12oz single @Jacks. Pours out to a clear deep amber, forming a flimsy light yellow head of small bubbles, despite a vigorous pour. The retention is poor with no lace, and a very mild carbonation. The aroma is a little boozy of rotting black cherries, apple cider, grain husk, and distant herbal hops. The mouthfeel is smooth and soft, with a wet finish and medium-dense mouthfeel. The taste opens up with some amber grains, a nice roasted malt taste, grain husk, herbal hops with a mild green and leafy bitterness, and tobacco and leather in the finish. This is much better than my prior review on tap. There must have been some recipe changes compared to a few years ago. No perceptible off-flavors or aromas.

To my tastes, this is more of an amber ale. It doesn't quite seem like an Oktoberfest. I wonder if it was lagered and fermented with a lager yeast or if it's a knock-off ale with an Oktoberfest name. Hrmm. At any rate, I think it's decent, but I wouldn't be compelled to buy it again just because I'm not terribly fond of Oktoberfests in general.

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Photo of Skitowneric
3.68/5  rDev -1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

12oz. bottle poured into chilled beer mug

Poured medium caramel color with thick tan head.

Rich toffee and caramel smell

Roasted caramel amd very malty mouth feel with just a touch of balanced bitterness in the finish.

Alcohol content is perceptable but not overwhelming.

Not one of the easily drinkable Oktoberfests one might find in a beer hall in Munich, but a very malty artisinal version that is a nice beer to drink.

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Photo of webmanspidey
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Bottle poured into a pint glass. It is a caramel amber color with tan head. Smell is a sweet malty mix of caramels. Taste is prevalent in caramel, graham cracker, and slight chocolate fading to a slight hoppy bitterness at the end. Light alcohol and excellent drinkability.

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Photo of gordavidson
3.91/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- A slightly hazy deep orange liquid with a thin but creamy bone white head that is kept alive with a few streams of carbonation.

S- Flowers, caramel, orange peel, and toasted oats. There is a distinct Short's aroma to it as well.

T- Orange peel dipped in caramel and rolled in toasted grains. Not as bitter as the aroma lead me to believe. Rather unique for the style.

M- There is a rather creamy body to this and a bit of a bite to it and a slightly bitter finish.

D- A uniquely flavored beer that is maybe a bit on the heavier side for the style. Still very enjoyable.

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Photo of alexgash
4.2/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

12 oz. bottle.

Slight haze in a deep copper body. Orange-gold edges. Small finger of sticky, light khaki head. Good lacing. Nose of cookie dough, spicy noble hops, ginger, and caramel. Nice and malty so far!

Toasted malts and a little hop spice up front. Slight graininess gives way to rounded sweetish cookie dough malt and caramel. Peppery, herbal hop bitterness in the background provides a nice contrast to the maltiness. More caramel in the finish with lingering grassy hops. Moderate body with a nice crisp feel. I really like the balance between the hops and the malt in this one (one of the hoppiest Oktoberfests I have had). Another very good Short's bottling!

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Photo of WeisGuy
4.02/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Fresh 12oz bottle - glad to see Short's has brewed this again

a - pours a rather cloudy medium brown color, two-finger light tan head, light retention and lacing

s - caramel malt with a substantial floral and earthy hop aroma, no alcohol noticeable, very light citrus notes along with some root beer

t - caramel malt and floral hop bitterness mix well creating a very well-balanced beer, light cola flavor, not much alcohol in the finish but there is some citrusy bitterness mixing with the caramel

m - medium-to-light bodied, moderate carbonation, well-balanced finish, light alcohol warming

d - quite drinkable stuff, very well-balanced with more hoppiness than almost any other "Octoberfest" beer I've had, quite easy on the palate yet interesting, I could drink several of these

Nice surprise to find this at the store today, and a fine addition to the Short's lineup. A very nice beer that will be even better when the weather starts to turn.

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Photo of maltusaurelius
4.03/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had this in Grand Rapids, where I was home on vacation, on the 4th of July at HopCat. Appearance was light brown and I thought slightly hazy, although that could have been condensation on the glass. HopCat is not real bright inside so it may be amber in color in the right light.

My recollections are slightly hazy since I had this over a week ago, but I do distinctly remember chocolate and caramel notes in the taste. It's a little on the sweet side although they have added enough hops that it is not sickeningly so. I enjoyed this beer and found it to be very drinkable, but it is a strange bird - I'm not sure what I've had that is like it. Maybe some Belgian ales come closest. It struck me as being very different from any Oktoberfest beer I've ever had (I've had them from pretty much all the major Munich breweries and a few American Craft brewed ones as well).

Overall I would say that if you want a true-to-style Oktoberfest you may be dissappointed. If you approach it with an open mind and you like a slightly sweet mid-bodied beer with chocolate and caramel notes you will enjoy it.

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Short's Noble Chaos Oktoberfest from Short's Brewing Company
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