Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout | Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales

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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn StoutMadrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout

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Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
Michigan, United States

Style: American Double / Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.10%

Availability: Winter

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Photo of MarkQ617
2.81/5  rDev -26.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

Had this poured into a stout glass. Flavor was of sour apples and cranberry, very tart and very much not what I'd look for in a stout. Color is outstanding, dark brown with a beautiful brown chocolate head. Mouthfeel was smooth, but could've been thicker. Don't like the sour stout.

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Photo of Bwehrley39
5/5  rDev +31.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Had this at winter fest 2015 in Indianapolis and was our favorite beer out of 102 breweries. Awesome sour flavor with a nice clean crisp finish. My new favorite beer!

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Photo of mchegash
3.83/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Appearance - 4.5/5
Upon first pour, two fingers of light chocolately-brown foam, dissipates down to half a finger after settling. Color is nearly completely black, but with a very interesting reddish tinge, which you can see when pouring out of the bottle, or when looking at the right angle. Overall, this is a very beautiful-looking stout. The reddish tinge really does it for me.

Smell - 4/5
JP tartness, sour apples, lemons, cherries. Subtle chocolate, roastiness, and a tinge of spice perhaps. Overall a fairly fruity/tart smell. The smell is similar to other JP beers, but this one definitely has a unique aspect to it which I can't quite put my finger on, other than that the fruity smell is different from other JP beers.

Taste - 3.75/5
JP tartness, cherries, apples. Has subtle hops flavor in the aftertaste. It's a delicious tart taste, but in my opinion tastes nothing like a stout. It's basically just like another JP beer and they put a bunch of black food coloring in it. I was wondering how the JP tartness was going to mix with the stout taste, and now I have my answer...they just ignored the stout part. Now to be fair, there is perhaps a very subtle roasty/smoky/chocolatey character which I detect every once in a while, but that's about it. Overall, the taste is very nice and I like it, but it doesn't taste like a stout, so it loses some points for that (only a little, since it's still delicious)

Mouthfeel - 3.5/5
Medium-bodied, light carbonation. Crisp and smooth. Nice in the mouth. The mouthfeel is really dominated by the tartness of the beer, which really takes over so your mouth can only feel the tartness, for at least part of the sip.

Overall - 3.75/5
Overall a decent beer, but was disappointed because it wasn't really what I was expecting. Perhaps by technical brewing terms this is a stout, but it doesn't taste like one. It's also a little pricey ($12.99). It doesn't taste sufficiently different from other JP brews to be worth the price, so I probably won't get this ever again. Because I can JP beers I like better for $9.

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Photo of StoutHunter
4.21/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

I picked up a bottle of Jolly Pumpkin's Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout a few weeks ago for $13.49 at The Lager Mill. I've had this beer a couple times, but for some reason I've never reviewed it and I decided it was time to give it a proper review, so lets see how it goes. Bottled on 1/3/14 so it's exactly a year old today. Poured from a brown 750ml bottle into a Jolly Pumpkin snifter.

A- The label looks good, it's got a nice dark look to it which goes with the name and I think it's a little eye catching. It poured a nice black color that didn't let any light come through and it had a little over a fingers worth of bubbly brown head that died down to a thin ring that stayed till the end and it left some spotty and patchy lacing behind. This is a good looking beer, I have no complaints.

S- The aroma starts off with a higher amount of medium sweetness with the malts being the first to show up and they impart a dark roasted malt, sweet malt and some nice dark chocolate like aromas. Up next comes a little bit of that funky Jolly Pumpkin yeast that goes right into a nice sour cherry aroma with a medium amount of sourness. It's a little like a chocolate covered cherry. This beer has a very nice aroma with some great balance to it.

T- The taste seems to be pretty similar to the aroma and it starts off with a slightly higher amount of medium sweetness with the malts still being the first to show up and they impart the same aspects that they did in the aroma with the roasted malts coming through nicely. Up next comes just a slight funky yeast flavor which isn't too noticeable and it goes right into the sour cherries which show up just as much as they did in the aroma . On the finish a higher amount of medium sourness which is almost highly sour and it lingers a little into the aftertaste with some roasted malt and sour cherry flavors. This was a very nice tasting beer, the initial taste is pretty stout like than it changes to a straight sour all the way to the aftertaste.

M- Smooth, just a little acidic, a little crisp, on the thicker side of being medium bodied with a medium amount of carbonation. This beer had a good mouthfeel that worked well with with it.

Overall I thought this was a very nice beer and i thought it was a Great example of a Sour Stout, this is the first Sour Stout I ever had and while I've I tried a few more since then this one still sticks out as being the most memorable. This beer had nice drinkability, it was smooth, just a little acidic, a little crisp, not too filling and the taste did a good job at holding my attention, one glass might be the perfect amount for me and I think I could take out the whole bottle, but it might start to become a little too acidic for me. What I like the most about this beer was the taste and aroma, to me those were the highlights of this beer and they had good balance. What I liked the least about this beer was nothing, there wasn't anything that I disliked or would change. I would buy this beer again, and since it's already a year old I'm pretty sure it will still age well for a couple more years. I would recommend this to anyone who likes Sour Stouts, I think it's a must try. All in all I'm very happy with this beer and it continues to impress me a little every time I drink it and It's just an enjoyable beer. It's one of my favorite Jolly Pumpkin beers and It's the best Sour Stout I've had so far. Great job guys, this is one tasty beer, keep up the hard work.

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Photo of superspak
4.2/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750 ml bottle into snifter, bottled on 2/13/2013. Pours pitch black color with a 1-2 finger dense tan head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Light spotty soapy lacing clings around the glass, with a moderate amount of streaming carbonation. Aromas of big tart cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, dark bread, licorice, light char, hay, straw, grass, oak, musty funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel notes; with great strength. Taste of tart cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, dark bread, licorice, light char, hay, straw, grass, oak, musty funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness. Fair amount of roasted bitterness and light tartness on the finish; with lingering notes of cherry, green apple, lemon, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, cocoa, coffee, light char, dark bread, licorice, hay, grass, oak, funk, and yeast/roasted earthiness on the finish for a while. Fantastic complexity and robustness of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel flavors; with a great malt/yeast balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a smooth, fairly creamy, and lightly acidic/chalky mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is well hidden with only a light warming present after the finish. Overall this is an awesome Belgian sour stout. All around great complexity and balance of fruity/funky yeast, dark/roasted malt, and oak barrel flavors; and very smooth to sip on. A highly enjoyable offering.

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Photo of Gryphon69
1.5/5  rDev -60.6%

A- Black with a dark brown head, spewed everywhere upon opening

S- Sweet fruits

T- Sour, tart watery, lots of carbonation

M- Watery and fizzy

O- Not a stout at all, nothing about it is a stout except maybe the color. It is a dark sour, terrible lableling and garbage for a stout

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Photo of KFBR392
4.22/5  rDev +10.8%

Appearance: pours pitch black and formed about half a finger of brownish head. Active carbonation is extremely low. The head dissipates to a thin edge of the glass while drinking.

Smell: Silky dark chocolate is balanced by roasted coffee and malts immediately on the nose. Plenty of oak really opens up on the body. Some sprite fruits and grape must bounce off the oak and create a punchy tartness. Dark chocolate and earthy, mossy hops carry through and sit on the nose long after drinking.

Taste: Bright bubbly fruits splash onto the palate immediately, quickly followed by tart and oaky wood. Cherries, pears, apricots, and white grapes all dance on the tongue as the heavier malt notes begin to set in. Heavier charred oak, raisin, chocolate malt, and coffee grounds all blast through on the finish. Lingering tartness wins out on the finish.

Mouthfeel: Complex oak, tart fruits, and roasted malts all make for a slow sipper for sure. Carbonation is low but it is felt on the front.

Overall: Another winner for me from Jolly Pumpkin. Tartness is certainly present but not overdone. Dry oak and heavily roasted malts play off of each other nicely. Certainly going to try many other offerings.

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Photo of jellikit
3.5/5  rDev -8.1%

A: pitch black. Thinnest of head.
S: roasted barley and acidic sourness.
T: same as smell. Roast invests up front followed by sour/tartness.
M: medium carbonation. Medium body. Dry.
O: not bad. But, for me, it is a clash of styles. Sour and stout are not a great pairing in my opinion. With that being said, this is not a horrible beer.

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Photo of blakkorchid
4.44/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Not so much a stout as it is a dark sour beer. Pours very dark with a thin head and thick lacing. Smells of granny smith apples with darker earthy undertones of cherries and liquorice. Mild carbonation on the mouthfeel. The most immediate flavors are sour apples accompanied by a slight spicy funkiness (the usual for jolly pumpkin) the darker tobacco, liquorice, and cherry flavors kick in a little later, and are accompanied by a lingering sour taste. The carbonation is pretty mild yet lends a pleasant mouthfeel to the funky taste. Out of all the Jolly pumpkin beers I've had this is by far my favorite!

Please forgive me this is my first review!

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Photo of zander4dawin
3.44/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark brown, smell like chocalate, tart, banana. Mouthfeel is sharp and sour on a light body. After taste doesn't linger long. Not much oakiness. ---.-.-.--.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.--.-.-.-.-.-..-.--.-..--..-.-.-.-.-.--...-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.--.-..--.-.-.-.-.-.--..-.-.-.-.-.-

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Photo of woemad
2.96/5  rDev -22.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

1pt.9.4oz. bomber purchased at Enoteca in Post Falls, Idaho for $16.99. This might be the single most expensive beer I’ve purchased in terms of price (though not most expensive per ounce – that honor belongs to the Cognac Beer Geek Brunch Weasel). I purchased this because it was the first beer I’d ever seen of this brewery and the first Michigan beer I’ve laid eyes on (except perhaps cans of Strohs spotted in supermarkets in Berkley and Royal Oak while staying with my teetotal grandparents as a child). According to the bottle, this was brewed February 3, 2012, part of batch # 980.

Poured a dark brown that took on a midnight black appearance once safely in my glass. Light was not permitted to pass through it. Big, creamy tan head.

Slightly sour, acidic aroma. There’s also some dark fruit scents to be had.

Hmm. Not so much a sour stout as a fruity sour beer that happens to be pitch black! A moderately sour fruit flavor dominates the taste, instead of the “roasted malts and bitter hops” mentioned on the label. As it warms, there’s a little “woodsiness” in the background from the oak aging, and a very faint roasted malt flavor, but the sour, green apple-like fruit flavor stays in charge. It’s not exactly bad, but it’s weird and it is light years from what I was expecting. I was expecting a Belgian take on a typical barrel-aged Imperial Stout, so I can’t help feeling disappointed.

Thin, prickly mouthfeel.

This could be called a dark sour ale rather than a “Belgian inspired stout” and it would be a perfectly fine stylistic description. That’s not what I was expecting going into this beer and I feel cheated, especially in regards to the price. I might try another beer from this brewery if I should see any others, but I think I’ll be giving this one a wide berth.

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Photo of dionito
1.51/5  rDev -60.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

Looks ok, black, what else do you expect a stout to look like, right. Barely any head, ok overall.

Smell is sour with a hint of roast. More than sour, acidic. Not nice, no way I was expecting this. Did not like it at all.

Taste is plain awful. I like sour beers, but this is more acetic than lactic. Vinegar. That's good for salad dressing, not for beer. And if you add the roast to the mix... What kind of joke is this? Not a good one.

Mouthfeel is thin and watery. Where's the creaminess of an imperial stout? Is this infected or was done like this on purpose?

Overall an awful beer. I'm glad I paid $2 for a taste rather than $14 (YES, $14) for a 12oz pour. Bad beer, bad price, great disappointment. Why had I ever heard anything good about this beer? I do not get it. Will not try again.


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Photo of prandlesc
2.3/5  rDev -39.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.75

Sadly surprising. It has a nice dark color as expected from a stout. Even with a robust pour it has a limited to nonexistent head, which is not completely out of style for a stout, but somehow I expected a little more. The aroma has a hint of coffee that is shadowed by a hint of sourness. And It is sour for a stout - especially without any label reference to its tartness. Overall, it's a rather nasty tasting stout - it may be a fine sour, but one can't really call it a stout.

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Photo of 4thelvofbeer
1.27/5  rDev -66.7%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Looked to be ok, smell, ah....taste....yuck! Disgusting is a gift for how this beer tastes. Truly undrinkable.... I took three drinks, tried hard to like each drink....cringed each sip and unfortunately, yet thankfully, poured this bottle of shit down the drain. The drain even puckered as it reluctantly accepted the shitty contents of this bottle.

Appearance, not bad....looked ok
Smell, a bit off, but wanted to try this beer
Taste, yeah this is where everything went to shit...sour nasty filtered through a dirty pair of underwear taste...repulsive
Mouthfeel...the taste just made it downright tough to swallow this crap
Overall, disgusting

The really unfortunate thing...I traded some good beer for this crap! Yuck!

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Photo of reebtaerG
3.96/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Had on draft at Lures on 4/14/14

A-Pours a very dark brown color with a smallish light brown head on it.

S-Nose is very roasty, with just some hints of some floral hops and sour coming through underneath.

T-Taste is roastier than it is bitter, but there is a little bit of hoppy bitterness with a sour notes on the back end.

M-Has a light/medium body and okay carbonation

O-Overall a great beer thou it is not anyway a stout. It is a hybrid of a sour and stout.

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Photo of gillagorilla
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Sample on tap at Max's (3/11/14)

A: Pitch black with good lacing.

S: Sour, tart and funk with a lot of cherries.

T: Tart. Sour. Nice taste of cherries. This is only vaguely a stout at all.

M: Smooth with only a tingling of carbonation.

O: This is a good beer, but it is quite pricey given what it is.

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Photo of kaufmaal
3.1/5  rDev -18.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours black with some reddish brown highlights. Very little carbonation and no head. This one has some chocolate and some dark fruit aromas, some vanilla and licorice. The taste is very unexpected and, for me, unsatisfactory. It starts sour, and finishes sour and bitter - vinegar sour, dark chocolate bitter. Not much viscosity to it, and it's very thin and a bit watery.

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Photo of buschbeer
4.02/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

1 pt. 9.4 fl. OZ. bottle
Served in a snifter
Blend 7
Bottled 2-8-2011

A - This beer is black. There is no light coming through at all. The pour produced a couple inches of chocolate colored head.

S - It smells sour. I get some tart dark fruit aromas.

T - It starts out sour with some green apple with a segue to tart dark fruit. Then I get some roasted malt on the finish.

M - Medium

O - I just told a friend the other day that I did not think that Jolly Pumpkin beers were that sour. I spoke too soon. I really like this beer. It has some good funk, and the roasted malt on the finish is fantastic. This is right up there with my favorite JP beer, Noel de Calabaza.

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Photo of LeeryLeprechaun
3.13/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

Beer pours jet black with a think and creamy tan head. No highlights, this is a very dark beer.

Aroma is bitter/roast and funky. It is quite clear that the beer is going to be lip puckering sour just from the aroma. The bitter/roast aroma does not go great with the funky aroma, think sour coffee.

Beer is sweet, sour, and a little chocolaty. The finish is both funky and bitter/roasty. Just like the aroma this kind of clashes. It is not as bad as the aroma but it certainly confuses the taste buds.

Body is full and beer is silky and smooth, just like a stout should be.

Overall and ok beer. I do not think dark malts and funk go all that well together. That being said it is not terrible and would be worth trying, although maybe not at 18$ a bottle!

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Photo of mikem0487
4.1/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Blend 10-Bottled 02/12/13. Poured into ale glass.

A-Poured a dense black body with a thin brown pinkys width head. Lacing and head retention are minimal.

S-Great smell from this BA beer. Oak, roasted chocolate and subtle hints of vanilla sweetness are throughout the nose. None of those belgian esters from the yeast are apparent.

T-The belgian notes from the yeast shine through on the tongue. This taste like a belgian stout now. Roasted/chocolate malts give way to the sweet/sour from the Belgian yeast strain and barrel aging that it acquired. Nice sweet taste throughout with notes of plum and raisin mixing well with the malt notes and belgian yeast. Delicious stuff right here.

M-Medium to light for a stout with the mouthfeel, real dry finish and good carbonation.

O-Another great beer from JP. The aroma smells great but does not give away its belgian characteristics like the taste does. The beer is defiantly on the acidic side and you notice that as you sip on the beer more and more. If you enjoy eclectic beers you will really enjoy this brew. Cheers.

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Photo of KYGunner
4.08/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

I saw this as a sour but as it poured dark brown into the glass I thought there was mistake. All the looks of a stout with a thick head of foam.

The scent had some sour lemon qualities but an evidentiary charred malt comes out with pop. The aroma is smokey and sweet with touches of chocolate and barley.

Despite being ready for an exceptionally sour opening I still puckered when I took the first sip. Trust Jolly Pumpkin to hit you in the face with a stout but this is truly the biggest disparity I've experienced in a beer. Tart and sour in its opening salvo it ends in a dry, charred malt like a true stout.

The feel is smooth but bitter, moderately carbonated but tart.

This is a true Jekyll and Hyde beer, two divergent concepts that meld so well.

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Photo of stephens101
3.86/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

The loose and bubbly dark tan head falls off quickly.

Has a sweet milk chocolate nose with a touch of soured dark fruits, cream, taffy and a certain nuttiness.

Much lighter than expected with a surprising and profound tartness up front. It doesn't pucker, but doesn't back down either. A little grain and alcohol is noticed, along with faint chocolate. Grape juice and plum wrap it all up nicely.

Like taking communion with a beer instead of fruit juice. I can get behind that kind of tradition right there.

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Photo of ChicagoNick
4.33/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Poured into a FFF teku glass.
Virtually no carbonation. Dark brown. No lacing to speak of. Silky appearance.

Smells sour, as expected. Tart Cherries. A little roasty. A little astringent.

Taste: funky cherries, awesome chocolate bitterness left on the tongue although not immediately noticeable. Not getting any coffee/espresso flavors that most reviewers seem to get.

Mouthfeel is smooth. Velvety. I'd buy this again just to experience it, again.

Great beer! Madrugada Obscura is exactly what I imagined (and hoped) it would be.
Blended really well. Its effectively a tart chocolate covered cherry. I've had propitiation, a sour porter from Russian River, and now this sour stout. I'm sold on the style and can't wait to try more similar beers.


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Photo of Beerdanza
4.41/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Whoa! This is a unique experience. I can't compare it to other beers I've tried. It's almost not beer, but something else entirely. It's sweet, and then sour. Very smokey, and malty. There is some oakey taste, but less than expected. It has low carbonation, and an almost savory aftertaste. The closest thing I can compare it to is very high end balsamic vinegar, the kind you actually sip.

I imagine that some beer lovers will not like this at all, but I love it. It's fascinating. It's a sipping beer. I wouldn't drink it all the time, but I definitely plan to have it again. If you like something different and unusual once in a while, give it a try.

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Photo of srhoadsy
4.02/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Served chilled into a flute.

Pours a deep sable color with very short light brown head that quickly disappears leaving no surface layer or lacing.

Aromas of bittersweet chocolate and dried stone fruits.

Chilled the flavors are all about sour cherries and raspberries. As it warms you start to get hints of dark chocolate, coffee and a hint of leather.

Light bodied with a crisp mouthfeel. Light carbonation with a mild aftertaste.

Overall a very interesting and hard to rate beer. It is a stout in name only, more of a grand cru. If you like sours and can get ahold of a bottle, I would definitely recommend.

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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout from Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
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