Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout | Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales

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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn StoutMadrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
Michigan, United States
jollypumpkin.com

Style: American Double / Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.10%

Availability: Winter

Notes / Commercial Description:
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Added by Shovelbum on 02-12-2006

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#11,742
Reviews:
384
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1,025
pDev:
16.1%
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Ratings: 1,025 |  Reviews: 384
Photo of avaldivia
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from bottle into a tulip glass.

A: Nice black color that when you held it up to the light, had really nice, faint, reddish, brown hue. Nice head and good lacing.

S: Very tart smell with a smokey, malt tinge on the end. Smelled of, cherries, and dark fruits.

T: Not as sour as I was expecting. Good tart bite in the beginning which then gives way to a dark malty coffee finish. became a bit more tart as it warmed.

M: Kind of light for a stout though, granted, this is not your everyday stout.

O: Glad i tried this one. Interesting and I never thought I would try a sour stout. I don't know if I would pick this up again because it was on the pricey side, but I glad I did once.

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Photo of Huhzubendah
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

The beer is dark brown, nearing black, with a half inch of tan head that hangs out for a considerable period, leaving some random lacing in its wake.

The aroma brings roast, dark fruits, and funky yeast. Right away, it's apparent that this is not your average stout.

The funk asserts itself much more fervently in the flavor than in the olfactory senses. Dark fruits and funk, followed by roast, and a hint of slightly charred chocolate squares.

The body is fairly thin, with moderately low carbonation. Smooth on the palate, with a lingering funkiness in the finish.

Overall, a truly interesting beer from Jolly Pumpkin. I would have this again.

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Photo of jayhawk73
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thank you Matt!

A- Pours a black color w/ a two finger chocolate head. Nice lacing on the glass. This beer is truly a black hole- no light to be seen through the brew. Nice looking stout.

S- Coffee, malt, funkiness, some muted fruit as well. Nice smelling beer, wish it was a little stronger, but temperature may take care of that.

T- Interesting. Basically a big stout w/ chocolate malt, coffee, and mild fruit in it. In addition, there's an equal amount of funkiness that takes over after the first taste. I like it, although it's probably not for everybody.

M- Smooth w/ carbonation and a dry feel. Probably the weak point of this beer. A little on the thin side feel-wise for me. Would like a little more heft in the mouthfeel. Still, not bad.

O- Very interesting beer from Jolly Pumpkin. I really enjoyed this one, but it's not for everyone. If you don't like funk in your beer, you might want to stay away. Otherwise, pick it up- it's definitely worth checking out if you haven't tried it.

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Photo of EgadBananas
2.34/5  rDev -39.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Nice pour, with a solid black body, and a nice mocha finger of head.

Very tart aroma, basically acidic and sour. As it warms some more, there is some roast notes and chocolate, but even still, it's hard to cut the sour.

Taste is sour, sour, sour. There's some roast and chocolate, but it's fainter than in the aroma, and never stood a chance against the tart/sour qualities.

Feel was less than stellar, with a medium feel and a good dose of carbonation.

This just didn't do it for me. I can get behind the idea of a sour stout, but for me, there has to be a balance...and there was so little balance that it just seemed pointless to be a stout in the first place. Another gripe is completely omitting the fact that this is a sour stout from the labeling. I know JP largely deals in sours, but not every beer they make is a sour, so how's about throwing a little warning out there?

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Photo of Danyel123
3.84/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I love stouts and I love sours never knew I could have them in the same beer. The color was very black. The smell was kind of musty to me. A superb sour cherry taste with a bitter finish. Very light mouthfeel. I would make the trip for more of this beer.

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Photo of LittleDon
3.73/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Jet black with no light escaping. Rich, long lasting, khaki colored head. Average to below average lace. Medium-low carbonation, soft mouth feel with a bit of life. Big body. Sour cherry aroma predominates with subtle roasted coffee elements. Sour start, bitter finish. The bitterness is almost medicinal. Some of the alcohol is noticeable at the finish. Enough sweetness to keep the sour and bitter elements from overwhelming. Subtle banana flavor in the middle. Props for its uniqueness, but I would have liked a bit more molasses flavor.

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Photo of machostacos
4.15/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from 750ml bottle into a tulip. Sticker on the bottle reads "Batch 2, 2010." This is my first Jolly Pumpkin beer - I'm excited.

A: Pours an inky black with a towering latte-colored head. More head than would be typical for an imperial stout, but not at all surprising considering that this is a sour stout.

S: Very tart Brett character up front with a lot of plum and other stone fruits lingering in the back. Every now and then a delicious, rich stout roastiness of coffee and chocolate pokes through. I'd like a little more of that stout character on the nose.

T: So unique. It's as if you poured a bit of Bell's Expedition Stout or Old Rasputin into a Duchesse de Bourgogne and La Folie blend. It's more mellow like the Duchesse but has a bit more tartness like a La Folie. Just delicious, and a treat for my tastebuds. My only complaint is that the stout is just a little too hidden. If it were more of a 50/50 balance, this would be off the charts.

M: A bit thin for an imperial stout, and very carbonated. It takes on an almost mousse-like consistency in your mouth instead of that thick, syrupy goodness that I love in my big imperial stouts. The tartness of this makes up for it a little simply for the "wow" factor.

O: What an interesting twist on one of my favorite styles (and a quick up-and-comer in the sour category.) Sours are quickly becoming some of my favorites, and when blended with a rich imperial stout, well...it's just fantastic. Bravo, Jolly Pumpkin - you've got a new fan.

---Update:---
This paired with some freshly homemade blueberry pie is incredible :)

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Photo of rwmiscik
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Picked this up last night and split it with a friend. We drank out of snifters and the beer poured very black obviously with very little head. Had notes of chocolate, slight roast, with a hint of coffee. Not very sour but it was a little tart and very clean.

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Photo of nickfl
4.45/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A - Pours with two and a half fingers of medium-brown foam on top of an opaque, black body. The rocky head settles slowly and leaves very nice, thick lace.

S - A deeply funky aroma of oak and balsamic vinegar. Some caramel and just a hint of roasted malt in the background.

T - Black cherries and cola notes up front with a little bit of caramel and tartness. Some roast character begins to show itself in the middle as a bit of nutty coffee and char comes out. The dark cherry character and balsamic vinegar both show back up in the finish along with some caramel and a bit of licorice.

M - Medium-thick body, moderate carbonation, and a kind of sweet and sour finish.

D - This is quite an unusual beer and, really a pretty special one as well. The aroma is very reminiscent of a Flemish red with only a hint of the darker malt characteristics that will show up in flavor profile. The malt character turns dark when the beer hits the tongue with lots of caramel and even molasses as well as a bit of licorice that goes quite well with the acid and funky yeast character. Dark sour beer is a really odd combination, but in this case it works really well.

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Photo of mikereaser
3.52/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Jolly Pumpkin Madrugada Obscura
Batch 266
A - Pours a pitch black with 3/4 of the glass full of dark tan foam, it just keeps rising out of the bottle and I had to empty it into 3 glasses
S - Aroma is licorice, roasted malts, molasses, chocolate, very syrupy smelling
T - Very carbonated is the first reaction, it almost makes it very hard to taste. A little bit of funk, some roasted malts, chocolate and toffee, maybe molasses as well. Its not bad but its a bit too carbonated to enjoy.
M - medium body with very airy carbonation, not sure if this is infected judging by the ever expanding foam out of the bottle or if this is how its supposed to be.
D - I don't know if i'll finish the bottle

3.5/4/3.5/3.5/3

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Photo of
3.98/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance - Very dark brown, almost black, with a tan head. The head porus thick and tall, but quickly recedes to a thin, persistent, bubbly froth that leaves spotty lacing. It really looks more like a Belgian Quadrupel than a stout.

Smell - Dark, well-integrated roasted malt aromas of chocolate, toasty bread, and coffee mixed with ripe stone fruit and characteristic Jolly Pumpkin aromas of green apple, sour cherry, horsy funk, and oak.

Mouthfeel - Very well carbonated, almost tingly in the mouth. Medium bodied and somewhat grainy. Not what you would expect from a Stout, but pretty close to what you might expect from a Belgian abbey beer.

Taste - Subtle roasted malt character and refined sourness with a touch of oak, ripe plum, and a clean, minerally bitter finish.

This beer is called a stout, but it really isn't. Nor does it fit any Belgian sour style. This is a totally unique creation and I have not really tasted anything like it before.

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Photo of CWBlues
2.96/5  rDev -23.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a bottle into a tulip. Holy carbonation, Batman!

A: Pours a jet black with a serious cappuccino colored head. I'm talking four fingers here. And it lingers. There's NO light getting through the beer though. I like seeing that.

S: I get a sourness in the nose. Dark malts here too. Wow. That wasn't really what I was expecting.

T: Is this a stout or a sour? Sour fruit absolutely dominates here. Some oak on the back end from the aging. That's all I'm getting. Maybe my taste buds are in shock.

M: This doesn't feel like any stout I've ever had before. It's heavily carbonated. There might be a little bit of the oil feel, but not much at all. Just carbonation and a little tingly sensation from the sourness.

O: I don't know how to review this. I've never had a stout like this. I think the beer is...well, it's ok, but I certainly wasn't expecting a sour beer.

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Photo of techfed87
4.17/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a very strong head. Color is stark black. Smell has what I would expect with a beer this dark; however, at the same time it has the characteristic Jolly Pumpkin sour. Should be interesting!

First sip is a bit of a mix. It's one of the better stouts that I've tasted, even before the fact that it was brewed with wild yeasts, which really does put the icing on the cake.

You really should try this.

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Photo of mrbeermug
4.63/5  rDev +20.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

A - Dark brew with just a hint of amber and really nice small and soft looking bubbles more typical of many belgian-style brews and very appealing to the eye. Not thick or syrupy.

S - Interesting mixture of dark malts and bright tangy and fruity sourness come through on the nose. Very distinct from other stouts and not as heavy.

T - Absolutely distinct and memorable flavor. Incredibly well balanced with some light flavors of roasted chocolate malt combined with a rich, but subtle sour and savory component, with even a hint of the creaminess and funk of a good blue cheese.

M - Carbonation is evenly but softly present throughout, the beer is not heavy but balanced between a bright upfront presence and a soft creamy swallow. The sourness lingers delicately on the palatte afterwards.

Overall - Brewing a sour stout like this is gutsy and its execution is outstanding. I remember this beer's flavor amidst a litany of great stouts and look forward to its release every late winter/early spring from Jolly Pumpkin. Great on tap, too. This, to me, is one of Ron Jeffries' best efforts.

I think a number of the folks rating this beer lower seem newer to or surprised by the style of sour beers and Jolly Pumpkin in general and since sours take some getting used to, not everyone is prepared. Having lived in Ann Arbor and tasted some 20 different beers from JP, including some aged up to 7 yrs, I come back to this one whenever it's released as among my favorites.

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Photo of JoEBoBpr
3.7/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a tulip glass from a 750ml bottle.
Bottled: 03-4-2011

A - Pours a nice dark brown with some slight black hints. There is a nice tan head that forms and has some nice dense bubbles with some bigger medium sized ones. Recedes at a medium pace down to a thin film.

S - Slight woody notes and some mild tartness starts off followed by some nice bitter chocolaty notes and some toasty fresh baked bread. There is some oat notes as well as some nice slight roasty malt notes.

T & M - A bit on the lighter side. Starts off with some woody notes as well as some mild tartness. Some traditional JP funk is present as well as some slight roast. It is a bit more watered down than expected. The slight sour notes are interesting and don't really take away from the beer but I've never had a sour stout. Its pretty interesting but not my favorite.

O - Its interesting and has some complex flavors but the sour notes through me off. Not too delicious.

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Photo of DovaliHops
4.3/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I've been really stoked to try this beer. Basically because I'm used to the JP funk and tartness...and very curious how this would work with a stout. I am very pleased. Pours pitch black with a light brown head that looks just like a delicious, thick, IRS should. Then it gets weird... Scent is sour grapes with hints of chocolate and some funk. I LOVE these JP beers...they're so unique! Taste is initially tart citrus combined with dark chocolate. Then i get some bittering hops, followed by roasted cocoa. This flavor is hard to completely put in words, but it's amazing. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with tart, dark, roasted, deliciousness. Drinkability is very high. Overall, this beer is AMAZING! I could drink this every night!

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Photo of jmfc8237
4.33/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured into A sniffer and have immediate hints of expresso like foam forming a nice head. Moderatly heavy lacing and a stream of web coating the rim. Intense aromas of coffee and sour grapes. Bitter sweet chocolate and expresso followed by a sour tart grape finish. As it warms the coffee/toffee flavors become more prevalent. Finished this with a smile and was pleasantly surPrized by it's finish.

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Photo of YaKnowBrady
3.38/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Picked this up at the Burlington Canal's last week, based on a comment in a thread regarding where to start in sour beers, if you are one of the uninitiated. Thought a Sour Stout would be interesting.

After uncapping, a steady stream of foam began pouring out of the top of the bottle for no less than 3 minutes. Had to leave it on the edge of the sink for a while, to make sure it wouldn't start dumping foam all over the place. Not sure if this was because it hadn't sat long enough in my fridge, but I had it in my cellar for a week, and in the fridge for about 2 hours, all upright. Not much moving around, but who knows.

After it stopped overflowing, I poured myself a glass into my Allagash stemmed pint glass. Poured a 1.5 finger dark caramel head, with lots of percolation. Smelled sour, but in a good way. Looked like a standard stout, so wasn't sure what to expect.

First sip had me pulling a pucker face. Wow, this is some sour stout. Lots of dark fruit, pungent phenols, like a plum sour patch kid. Felt slick on the tongue, and left you with a sour coating on the roof of the mouth that lingers for over 15 minutes after a sip. Spicy burn in the aftertaste, and you can taste the alcohol.

Overall, great introduction to Sours, and to Jolly Pumpkin. I enjoyed it, but will probably pick up a different offering from the JP next time.

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Photo of Blanco
2.78/5  rDev -27.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

reviewed from notes

Black with a tan head. Starts off looking like every other stout, but with an apparently higher carbonation level than most others of the style. the smells are actually primarily of roasted malts. Taste is immediately reminiscent of a porter, but after a bit a metallic funk comes through and hints of wild yeast. Early on this is interesting and it took me about half the beer to figure out what to make of this. After a bit I decided I didn't really like what was going on. The wild yeast and the roasted flavors don't really go and the beer seems to be having a tug of war. medium-bodied. I don't really "get" this beer, just like I don't really "get" most stouts that are twisted into something different with new yeast strains.

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Photo of MufflnMan
3.91/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter glass. Dark as night... with an attractive mocha head that sticks to the sides.

Smells of yeast, caramel, hint of cocoa and fruit in the background.

Taste... woah! A very unexpected tartness gives a strong finish, cherries and fair amount of hops for a stout. In the front, subtle caramel and cocoa flavors with a bit of yeast again, much like the nose.

Mouthfeel has decent carbonation for a stout and pretty dry as well.

Overall, a Flanders style stout? Veryyyy different to say the least!

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Photo of Beanmeister
4.52/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

A-Dark! I would say this is a black beer. a nice thick brown head that didn't last long
S-Very strong smell sweet and bitter at the same time.
T- Tart sweet bitter all add to the complexity of this beer. defiantly a stout. has a lasting taste
M-great for sipping
O- i Enjoyed this beer and i plan to drink this beer again. One beer should last you a good while. Take your time with this beer... Enjoy it.

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Photo of mdaschaf
3.88/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review from notes. Had on tap at the Henlopen City Oyster House in Rehoboth Beach, DE.

A: Beer was served in a nonic glass and was dark black with some ruby highlights when held up the light. A nice one finger, foamy head, sad on top. Nice retention and left behind some pretty good lacing.

S: A different aroma for an imperial stout, but not unexpected since its a JP beer. An interesting combination of sourness/tart and roasted malt, some cocoa, and a hints of vanilla.

T: Starts off very much like an imperial stout with some heavy roasted malt, coffee and chocolate. This transitions to some tartness with a combination of tho on the finish.

M: Medium to heavy bodied with good carbonation. Drinks quite smooth.

O: Well, its different. It is an interesting take, but I am just not sure I really liked it or if I was fascinated the idea of it. The flavor was good, but did not order a second.

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Photo of ChadQuest
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I really am digging this. It is alot more sour then i was expecting, as i thought the dark malts would cover some of the brett, and while there is a strong supporting roasty quality, the sour cuts right through and comes out into the spot light and keeps this one dry and tart. besides the Sour and funk going on the Roasted malts have only some chocolate and a Kiwi tartness that is really cool.

I have really started to like most of JPs beers. i just wish they were not so expensive.

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Photo of Rifugium
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Dark like a stout, but with a big flavor explosion of a sour ale. And I thought it was a pumpkin ale!

Shared a 750ml bottle with a friend. Poured dark brown with a tan head, and appeared a bit hazy. Chocolate malts in the aroma overcome with dried fruits. Blast of unexpected sourness in the taste, with dried cherries and raisins and some semblance of papaya actually. Malty backbone with just a hint of chocolate. Not quite full-bodied for a stout. Very drinkable, but a full bottle for one person might be a bit much.

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Photo of jakeaustin
3.97/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

Nice loud psshhh upon popping the cap. Foam started spilling out immediately. After quickly pouring into my tulip the beer was black with billowing caramel head. Classic stout look from a not so classic take on the style.

The nose has all the usual stout smells. Cocoa, milk chocolate, and roasted coffee beans all coming into play. What sets this beer apart from your usual imperial stout is the classic Jolly Pumpkin funkiness. The brett funk mixes in perfectly with the other smells. Very unique nose, but very appetizing from brett fans.

Taste follows smell, with the brett being more dominate than you would expect. Despite the funk coming so hard, the other flavors are still shining through quite well. Lots of dry cocoa, and freshly brewed coffee working with the musty barnyard flavors surprisingly well. I wasn't sure what to expect flavor wise with this brew, but it works perfectly.

Here's where this one doesn't quite work. The carbonation was way too high initially so I let it sit for a while. After it flattened out a bit the flavors and mouthfeel were much more suited for the style. The finish is also quite dry which is a little odd. Both high carbonation and dry finish are classic Jolly Pumpkin I just think they could have adjusted things for this brew. Overall still a very tasty and unique beer. Well worth seeking out for fans of the funk looking from something a little(alright maybe a lot) different.

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Madrugada Obscura, Dark Dawn Stout from Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
Beer rating: 3.85 out of 5 with 1,025 ratings