What makes Zombie Dust a Pale Ale/What makes Nugget Nectar an Amber?

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  1. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Both seem like IPAs to me. I know breweries have the right to label their beers any style they want, but what's the reasoning behind labeling these two beers anything other than IPA? Does it have to do with the malt bill for each? Alcohol percentage isn't a factor because they're both within standard IPA range. I just feel that, whenever people are comparing these beers to other IPAs, some smartass always has to chime in with "Well technically that beer is an APA/Amber" but they never say why. Anyone care to explain?
     
  2. Doc_Hops

    Doc_Hops Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I cannot speak to Zombie Dust as I've never had it, but I do know that Nugget Nectar starts off as their flagship beer, HopBack. This is an Amber. I believe the process of beefing up the hops is both quantity and variety (in a big way I might add) makes it an Imperial Amber. At least, that's what I was told.
     
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  3. Brenden

    Brenden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,436) Feb 25, 2008 Ohio
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    A hoppy stout isn't an IPA any more than a hoppy amber is.
     
  4. GoatmanBrewsMD

    GoatmanBrewsMD Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 Maryland
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    It is typically based abv, and IBU ratio...plus SRM.
     
  5. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    I know what you mean. I am drinking lagunitas lil sumpin sumpin ale right now, and with the first sip, a thought it was an IPA. The aroma is IPA as well. Apparently, it's a pale wheat.
     
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  6. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    According to growlerstation.com, zombie dust's SRM is 10 and according to brewershub.com, the SRM range for an IPA is 6-15 and obviously both the ABV and IBUs are on par with an IPA


    I didn't know that about Nugget Nectar so that's a fair reason if true.
     
  7. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Yeah, but Lagunitas makes almost all their beers seem like IPAs. Ha
     
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  8. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    Nugget Nectar is labeled as an "imperial amber", which is a made up thing. So it can be whatever it wants to.

    Zombie Dust, if we're gonna get super nitpicky, you might say is at the very upper limit of what you could call an American pale ale.

    I agree with you though, they both drink like IPA's to me.
     
  9. CityofBals

    CityofBals Initiate (0) Sep 12, 2012 Illinois

    I think it probably has something to do with how they brew each beer.
     
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  10. HjaltiB

    HjaltiB Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2013 Iceland

    It has to do with marketing. The recipes for both are fairly standard IPA recipes, but they want to stand out from the rest so they call it something else. Founder's does the opposite with their "session IPA" which is obviously a Pale ale. American craft beer is kind of gimmicky that way.
     
  11. GoatmanBrewsMD

    GoatmanBrewsMD Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 Maryland
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  12. TheNightwatchman

    TheNightwatchman Initiate (0) Mar 28, 2009 Pennsylvania


    Yep. From their website:

    Starting with the same base ingredients of our flagship HopBack Amber Ale, Nugget Nectar intensifies the malt and hop flavors to create an explosive hop experience.


    So it makes sense for NN to be called an Amber if HopBack is considered an Amber.
     
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  13. Thads324

    Thads324 Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Connecticut

    I don't think the style matters as much as if its a good beer or not. At the end of the day who cares what it's classified as, just drink and enjoy it
     
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  14. Brenden

    Brenden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,436) Feb 25, 2008 Ohio
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    This is mostly incorrect.
     
  15. pcsnyder

    pcsnyder Zealot (677) May 2, 2011 Pennsylvania

    As far as I understood style definitions, the OG, FG, base malt and adjuncts (if any) are also taken into consideration, not just abv, srm, and IBUs. These two beers may differ in the grain bill or other areas enough to land them in different categories.
     
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  16. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    "What makes Zombie Dust a Pale Ale/What makes Nugget Nectar an Amber?"

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  17. dortenzio1991

    dortenzio1991 Crusader (486) Aug 12, 2011 Connecticut

    Ive always wondered the same thing about Dale's Pale
     
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  18. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Savant (1,009) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    You bought it, it's whatever you want it to be : )
     
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  19. jaIsPoAn

    jaIsPoAn Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2012 New York

    The recipe
     
  20. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois

    Care to explain?
     
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