Bought the Wife an Upright Freezer

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  1. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    What should I do with my old fermentation chamber...erh ...chest freezer?

    Seriously, would you buy the digital or analog controller? The digitals don't sound real convenient to switch from cooling to heating mode and we lose power here probably 6 or 8 times per year on average which has got me leaning towards the analog (also $30 cheaper).
     
  2. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I guess it depends a lot on what you're buying, but the digital PID I use at work is trivial to switch from heating to cooling, it's just an options setting. I'm not sure why it would be any harder in any other model.

    Also, what does power outages have to do with anything? If the power goes out the fridge goes off no matter what you're using...
     
  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    i have both the Johnson and the Ranco. both will hold
    because the the analog model doesn't need any power to keep its setting. every time the power stops you have to reset the clock radio, right?

    doesn't matter though. i have a Ranco and a Johnson, both keep the setting if unplugged or otherwise lose power.
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    if you want to control heating and cooling your digital options are limited to the Johnson and a few others. these are about $72 or so, and most places seem to be competetive. i have bought three over the years. once you learn how to control the box and which dip switch to alter it is not too troublesome. maybe 5 minutes to open it up, then push some buttons in sequence and your done.

    the biggest drawback to the analog is not being able to set the cut in range. your stuck with the 5 or 7 degrees pre set. but i dont think this really matters. then again, i dont have any analogs.
    fwiw, my Ranco is over 10 years old and never once had a problem. its robust.
    Cheers.
     
  5. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    The model I have keeps its setting when it loses power. I would imagine everything modern does as well, since these things get unplugged and whatnot. What's funny is that the old clock radios losing their time settings are almost certainly due to their being made of analog components.
     
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  6. MssrTussaud

    MssrTussaud Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2013 California

    That's not what analog means...
     
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  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    True, but if you don't reprogram the settings the frig will run when power comes back, but the presets on the digital controller will not unless you have a battery backup...something modern day irrigation controls have, but if I'm not mistaken, both Ranco and Johnson digitals don't have...unless they've come out with some new models since I was last in the market.
     
  8. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Well, the PID I'm using has them, I don't remember the model number though. It's also an OEM product, not a complete set like what you'd use. I'd be sort of surprised if a modern PID didn't have the ability to sustain settings through a power cycle, but you never know.

    What do the analog ones do? Are they ratcheting down the voltage? Your fridge's motor might not like that, depending on how it was designed.
     
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  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Huh? My Ranco remembers all settings when the power is interrupted. I routinely unplug it and move it around and never re-program and no battery back-up in sight. To change from heating to cooling involves pushing one button. You can find them on eBay for under 46 bucks.
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    That's what I wanted to hear...sounds good, thanx
    Do you have a Ranco model #?
     
  11. ZamaMan

    ZamaMan Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 California

    Same my Johnson controller is still programmed when I unplug it to use the outlet.
     
  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I spent $50 on a Ranco and wired it successfully myself. It cost me an extra $5 for a power strip and electrical tape. It took the guy on the video like 20 minutes, it took me 3 hours. I feel pretty good about what I accomplished though. It does hot and cold. I hear analog has a little more variance on temp, but I've never owned one.
     
  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I have two Ranco ETC 111000. This is a single-stage unit . . . it will control heating or cooling, just not both at the same time. That means you have to manually unplug your ferm-fridge and re-plug your electrical ferm-wrap when the seasons change then switch setting from Cold to Heat (less than 30 seconds). If you're handy with wire strippers you can save a few dollars by wiring it yourself.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Time to go look at some Johnsons also...no pun intended
    What I found out on ebay is that there are numerous models now...the 2 stage Ranco I want/need is >$102, not $50
     
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  15. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    The system I have is like $50 on amazon, you just have to wire it yourself. If you care I can find the part numbers.
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yeah, with digital progress what it is, I should probably be looking at numerous controllers, not just the Johnson and Rancos you see on beer brewing websites and LHBSs.
     
  17. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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  18. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    With a two stage controller you can connect a heater and your fridge, leave town for a year, and when you come back the temp will have stayed in the range you have set. But do you really need this for fermentation? Before you drop the extra money, consider how often you need both heat and cold during the 7-14 days of fermenting and you are not around to do a manual switch.
     
  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Gotcha...which is why I said, "want/need" : ) If it's only a case of flipping a switch or pushing a button and installing a heater belt I might be inclined to agree with you. The possibility of fermenting two different batches at two different temps sounds intriguing (and more expensive) also.
     
  20. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    it is in this situation. the analog temperature controller has a manual dial and the digital controller has, well, a digital display. when you lose power the dial doesn't move. nothing changes.
    though as i said, it doesn't matter as the digital Ranco and digital Johnson retain their settings if the power goes.
     
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