Hair of the Dog releases this weekend...

I can see the validity in this. I'm guessing this is the same way Apex gets the same variants, and I'm curious how Bottleworks got Toronado 25 (likely through Russian River themselves). I'm guessing other places have done similar things in the past. I'm not saying whether it is right or wrong, just that it happens at other places as well.

As for the prices, he uses the same formula for all the beer he gets, so obviously it is a greater mark up when it isn't through distribution. I agree that they seem overpriced, but considering the convenience of getting the bottles without going to Portland, some would still see it as a positive thing.

 

I totally agree with the fact that it is nice for people who can't make the trek down to Portland and I understand he has to make the trip worthwhile price wise. I'm sure Chuck is a good guy, and I must say I had no idea BW had T25. Crazy. Well, thanks for the info as my attitude towards Chuck has been changed a little.

Cheers,
Ryan

 

BTW regular Fred is flat.

 

Extremely overly carbonated! lol

Why try and bottle condition if you suck at it??

 

Is this a wide spread issue with batch 88? Anyone in WA have a similar experience with batch 88 Fred?

 

No one cares. Seriously. Go away. Don't buy HotD beers and stop commenting in these threads.

 

I had a bottle of batch 88 Fred when I was in PDX in April. It had little, if any, carbonation. It was very tasty just the same.

 

opened a 2009 cherry adam the other day and it was completely flat. the horror!! tasty as hell though.
more on topic, im actually surprised at how fast these $70 six packs fly off the shelf here. i've bought some fred ftw in the past and loved it but i just couldn't justify the expense this go around.

 

Lmao, totally saw that one coming. Apparently facts are not what you want, and you'd rather stay in a state of denial then demand this problem fixed.

From now on I'll join the masses, pretend my Fred's perfect, and declare HotD gods.

It's what all the cool kids are doing!!

I've only had one bottle so i'm not sure how much of a problem it is for this batch. I plan on buying 2 more from 2 different locations to see if it was just the 1 or a wide spread problem.

VERY tasty! I actually liked it better then the 87 that was overly carbonated.

88 was very decadent and full of apples apricots, grapes, caramel, toffee, vanilla, sweet bready malts.

87 was very hoppy and the spicy rye was more prevalent, grainy malts, orange, raisins, and apple cider, with a wine like finish.

 

You gave Fred a 4.25 on your Hads. Brilliant way to make your point.

 

Indeed. It was so amazing with zero carbonation I gave it a 4.25. If it was as intended, with decent carb. It would probably be a 5.

I'm not bitching because I hate the brewery. I'm bitching because I love it! If they could fix the one problem they have had for YEARS, they would probably be my favorite.

Why is asking for consistency such an overbearing request to you? Why should I be forced to play russian roulette with such a well known and highly sought after brewery?

Quality control should be of the upmost importance and if a brew doesn't stack up; it should not be released.

Even Bud/Coors can do it...

New topic:

Why do ppl forgive HotD over and over and over and OVER?! Even though every beer they crack is in question of whether or not it: has zero carb, is perfectly carb'd, or is over carbonated.

 

Its kind of like when you go on a date with Heather Graham and she farts.
Its still a date with Heather Graham.

 

You know why none of us care, and why the issue of HotD carbonation doesn't bother us? Because Alan has earned our loyalty with his beers. Moreover, you're not the first person to bitch about the carbonation issues; we've heard this argument a hundred times. You aren't changing anyone's mind, and your incessant whining in a thread in which Alan specifically stated that Bourbon Fred was undercarbed is ridiculous. You are given the information needed to make your decision.

This is not some brilliant campaign of yours that no one has tried before and which shows you are the sole voice of reason. In fact, you misunderstand, most of us dislike the carb issues, too, and Peach Fred was a complete disaster. We're just sick of hearing the complaints about known issues. Hair of the Dog has been around for nearly 20 years - they're not changing (and frankly, most of us don't want to see them change). Because there's something very central to this issue, and it appears you can't get your head around it: Alan's beers are a form of artistry. And as with all artistry, there's going to be a significant amount of 'crap' in order to creat the masterpiece. For us, Alan's masterpieces are so good, we'll forgive the blips along the road, and even you seem to subconsciously understand this, even if you're not ready to accept it.You continue to say you're not going to take the plunge on bottles and the continue to buy them. So either you're stupid with your money, you like to complain, or you're going to eventually 'get it' and look back on this and wish you hadn't shown your inexperience and ignorance of things the rest of us already know.

 

Honestly, Adam from the Wood. End of argument. HotD gets a lifetime pass.

 

I agree with all of this and just want to say it is helpful to get all experiences with particular batches so I can decide which ones to avoid or run out and buy. It's helpful to all of us.

 

I will second the last poster. I very much appreciate knowing whether to buy a bottle of HoTD beer or not. For example, I don't like drinking sludge, so this year I didn't buy any Doggie Claws based on the reports on this board. At premium prices I don't want to be rolling the dice.

Also, I get that he maybe isn't delivering the information with the most tact, but your approach wasn't much better IMO.

 

1) I don't have any problem with bad batches being reported. What's irritating to me is someone constantly denigrating a brewey and the people who support it (either implicitly or explicitly), swearing off the beer, then buying more to complain about.

2) I was making no attempt at tact. Others tried that to no effect.

 

Yup, this. Someone wants to create or maintain a listing of HotD batches with known carbonation issues, that's great. (I have vague memories that this existed at one point.) But, it's hard not to view KiMiRaiK as anything but a troll at this point.