Mild in May 2013

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  1. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    Modern milds pretty much are, yeah, in terms of taste and texture etc. But the dark mild is a more recent thing, as is the modern porter.
     
  2. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    No. Completely separate history. The last Porters brewed in Brritain were lower gravity than standard Mild: 1028-1032 when Mild was 1036-1043.

    Mild also isn't necessarily dark in colour.
     
  3. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    I know about Pale or Light Mild, this beer almost defies classification. What is the difference between it and ordinary bitter? Is it less hopped than ordinary bitter?
     
  4. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    That's a very good question. If I could give you a definitive answer, I'd be writing style guidelines.

    It was fairly clear in the past. In the 19th century it was pretty easy to spot the difference. Increasingly less so in the 20th.

    Scottish beers like 60/-. 70/- and 80/-. Are they Bitters or Milds? I'm getting all confused.
     
  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    It's one of those things that you think you know it when you see it but can't pin it down!
    As patto1ro has hinted, it's not possible to write guidelines which place brews into neat compartments though it hasn't stopped people thinking they can!
     
  6. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    Mild is always served in the form of a liquid, mostly.
     
  7. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Grand Pooh-Bah (3,113) Jan 24, 2011 England
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    You crazy northerners!
     
  8. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    As long as it tastes good.:grinning:
     
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  9. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    It does generally on cask
    though quite hard to describe
    the milds I was brought up with were Dark Milds mainly Wilson's and Holt's
    pitch black with a cream coloured thick tight head
    the closest description I can give is straw with a touch of blackberry, very malty with a touch of sawdust

    subtle flavours that bottling and canning diminish & kegging and bottle conditioning destroy

    Back then finding a good pint of mild was difficult to say the least
    penny pinching landlords and bar manager's had a tendency to exploit the fact that they had access to the contents of cask barrels.
    Bitter from the drip tray and sometimes that of left at the end of the night in glasses would be poured back into the barrel

    Mild, being dark had everything else's slops put back in
    Mild, Guinness, lager, lemonade, cola etc

    The thing back then was to find a place where the head honcho was a mild drinker
     
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  10. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Thanks Emperor, It is never good when barkeeps, breweries and drinkers disrepect beer, regardless of style.
     
  11. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I was advised on reaching drinking age (which was well before 18!) to always drink what the landlord had in his glass.There was a lot of bad practice going on but some landlords did the right thing and kept excellent beer.We soon got to know who these people were.
    Returning slops wasn't possible with the new fangled keg beer and may be one reason brewers were keen to introduce it.
     
  12. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    Yes there has always been a large number of exemplary bar keeps and servings of cask, otherwise the thing wouldn't have been worth saving.

    I worked in a small social club that having had stewards that poured the drip trays into your pintpot before pouring right in front of you then got an ale lover in charge, though it only had Tetley bitter on cask
    we refused the Warrington stock and only ever had the Leeds brew
    and before where the lines were cleaned at most 3 times a year and then the cleaning fluid left in
    going to regular cleaning, doubling the amount of ordinary water required to flush out the cleaning fluid
    and even then we would on the end of that check by drinking that there was no taint to the water by drinking it before even thinking of allowing beer back into the pipes.
    These simple actions (along with basic cellarmanship) turned undrinkable ale into premium bitter

    I brought up the bad cask practices because it is the main reason that mild got a bad reputation
    that and it being seen as purely an old mans drink.
     
  13. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Found myself driving in the Vale and the MG started tugging to the right and I ended up again in the Martin's Arms at Colston Bassett. So I [​IMG][​IMG]forced down some more of that Elgood's Black Dog stuff in the beer garden.
     
  14. EmperorBevis

    EmperorBevis Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,338) Sep 25, 2011 England
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    Looks near perfect :slight_smile:
     
  15. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    About as good as it gets. The Vale is full of great pubs which are a pleasure to visit , unfortunately quite a few don't open until the evening.
     
  16. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Marquis, I envy you. Keep up the good work.
     
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