Hopping an oatmeal stout: the "google special"

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  1. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    well, I had the recipe for my oatmeal stout saved on disk. however, that computer's hard drive just took a major dump, "taking the browns to the superbowl," if you will. Thus, the recipe is gone. No problem tho, I sent the ingredients list to the LHBS so they could make it up for me in advance. Sent last week, picked up, ready to go, no problem, right? the recipe should be in my sent mail folder.

    Well, you thought, that's where you went wrong. Gone. Deleted. Despite the fact that I have never deleted anything from sent mail, and it's not in any other folder. And despite the fact that gmail keeps mail from five years ago, it like to randomly delete stuff from various folders on a regular basis. I'm not the only one who's had this issue. Did I mention I hate google and its crappy products? Anything that is truly important is saved elsewhere to protect it from google long before it's sent, but this wasn't an expected development.

    So, rant aside, how would you hop an oatmeal stout that you're not sure of what's in the grist? I am reasonably certain there was maris otter, crystal malt, roasted barley, oatmeal (1 lb). Might just toss in some extra oatmeal, what's the limit on that when you don't know what's in the recipe? :rolling_eyes:

    Do tell how you'd hop it. I'm thinking magnum plus whatever hops I need to use up first to keep my stock rotation plan going strong. :rolling_eyes:
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    When I brew my Oatmeal Stouts I only use bittering hops: 8 AAUs of Northern Brewer. IMHO, an Oatmeal Stout should be ‘defined’ by the malts.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Maven (1,265) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico
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    I like Goldings for 60 minutes and Fuggles at 20. Or I've brewed it with Wye Challenger for 60 and Goldings for 20.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My last Oatmeal Stout used 0.5 ounces of EKG and 1 ounce of Fuggles, both at 60 minutes. I would just as happily have used all EKG or all Fuggles, in whatever amounts to reach target IBUs.

    Extra Oatmeal? If I didn't know what I already had, but trusted that I had thought it through when I made the (now lost) recipe, I wouldn't add any.
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Challenger, Fuggles, and Glacier have bittered my recent stouts, porters, and English brown ales.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Surely you have asked your LHBS if they still have your email. Right?
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I missed the part of: “…oatmeal (1 lb). Might just toss in some extra oatmeal, what's the limit on that when you don't know what's in the recipe?”

    I use 1 lb. of Oatmeal in my Oatmeal Stouts. I personally have never even considered adding more than a lb.

    Cheers!
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My last four recipes with oats use a 1# for a 5-6 gallon batch. 3 of the 4 use oat malt, mostly because I think it's cool.
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I have used EKG, Fuggles, and Northern Brewer before. I like what fuggles brings to the party along with an English yeast strain.
     
  10. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    EKG. Fuggles is a little too earthy for me (To clarify, it is too earthy in a non-weed/dank bomb style of beer).

    Go crazy on the extra oats. As a tribute to Eazy E. (Name of beer was "Oats on your Chin") I made an Oatmeal stout with 85% oats in the grist (GNO, Oat Malt, Flaked Oats), and it was weird but tasty.
     
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  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    OK. here's my thoughts then............................................................

    no, Vikeman, I haven't checked if the homebrew store has my email. OF COURSE I'd rather bitch about google, with a smidge of whining and complaining! :rolling_eyes:

    The recipe was sound, I know that. It's already bagged and ready to brew, and will likely get done tomorrow.

    MOAR OATS... I want to add more oats just because I think oats are cool, and I like the uncertainty of "mystery beers," where some aspect of the process is unknown (like when I just tossed in hops by the handful without weighing them on that one smash recipe, which, BTW, came out tasty beer!*). Does the recipe need them? No. Just kinda curious is all, I could easily just do it and brew it. :astonished:

    But if barfdiggs says to go crazy on the oats, you kinow I'm at least tossing in an extra handful or two, at the very least. :grimacing:

    Hmmm... hops, I don't have any more fuggles, but I do have a bag of tettnanger leaf, and a bag of willamette pellet (that are both opened and slated for use). Also have belma, they might work well in a stout, their earthiness might go well with oats. I'm thinking tettnanger tho, but I could easily be convinced otherwise. What levels of IBUs would you use? (I know I can look it up, but opinions are more interesting). I will probably add a good bittering charge at 60 and a 20-ish minute charge, and not add much or any late hops. Oatmeal stouts shouldn't be real hop forward IMO, but they need a good medium-ish bitterness to provide balance.

    I think the yeast will be either S-04, Windsor, or something? I don't even know what yeast I have, I will have to check what's in my fridge (and possibly stop at beer store). An English-ish yeast is probably appropriate tho. More mystery, I love this sport! :sunglasses:

    *I knew the bag of hops had about 4-5 ounces of leaf hops, and I wanted to use them all to finish off the bag. AA% was about 4.5%, so this wasn't quite as radical as it might seem. I mean is there really any combination of willamette or fuggles of that weight that would completely ruin a smash beer? they were fuggles, if I recall correctly
     
  12. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,974) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Check out Google Drive. Or Dropbox. Or Box. Or Amazon Cloud Drive. Or one of the 100 other backup services out there...
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I target 28 Tinseth IBUs for a 5.0% ABV Oatmeal Stout. All from a 60 minute addition.
     
  14. Skrypt

    Skrypt Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2010 Florida

    I don't own a document that's not saved in one of these services, and I haven't had to purchase a membership either. I'm up to 27GB on Dropbox, 50 on box, and Google offers 15 out of the gate.
     
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  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Thats a ton of saved ****.
     
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  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Some things you just gotta have a backup for. :rolling_eyes:
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You asked about yeast selection. The yeast that I have used the most in making my Oatmeal Stouts is Coopers dry yeast. I fully recognize that Coopers gets zero love on BA but that yeast makes a damn fine Oatmeal Stout.

    In my last Oatmeal Stout I mixed things up a bit and used Windsor. I really like Windsor for making my English Bitter Ales so I thought: maybe this yeast would be good in an Oatmeal Stout? That batch turned out just fine but frankly I really didn’t notice any difference from my Coopers Oatmeal Stouts. One word of caution, Windsor is a non-attenuative yeast. In my Windsor Oatmeal Stout I got an Apparent Attenuation of 73%, With Coopers I get closer to 80%. I frankly don’t notice the difference between the different levels in this beer style but I thought I would mention it.

    I also suspect that S-04 will be a good yeast choice for an Oatmeal Stout but I haven’t used it yet for my Oatmeal Stouts. I know that there are a number of BAs who are not big fans of S-04.

    Cheers!
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I like to use 1968 for my porters, and some lower ABV stouts myself.

    For the oat stout, I'd think that N. Brewer and some Willamette would be perfect.
     
  19. mikecharley

    mikecharley Savant (1,214) Nov 6, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Have your local hbs just "reply" to your original email
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Maybe check out that new Neobrittania yeast.
     
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