When should a brewery expand into new markets?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hanzo, May 15, 2012.

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  1. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Just read about Founders going into CA, and I have to say it got me thinking. Shouldn't a brewery plentifully supply their current distribution channels before they decide to open up into new markets and spread themselves even thinner?

    Some will come in and say "blah! The brewery knows what they are doing!", but I think it also is a matter of ambition getting the best of these companies.

    Disclaimer: I understand Cali is a huge market and that Founders is growing, I am more arguing that it isn't time yet.
     
  2. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I am in San Diego therefore FFF, Founders, and Bells should immediately move operations here.
     
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  3. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    Wanna throw in Surly while yer at it? Mmm, Pounder cans...
     
  4. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    How could I forget!
     
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  5. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Ha, well yeah, I'd like FFF to distribute where I am, but only after they have satisfied the markets they are currently in, which is what I was getting at.
     
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  6. NiceTaps

    NiceTaps Pooh-Bah (2,138) Nov 21, 2011 New Jersey
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    Maybe it's the desire for more revenue that drives the brewery to expand it's market. It's fundamental: grow, then expand. Too bad ambition doesn't get the best of more of us.
     
  7. Giovacchini

    Giovacchini Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2011 California

    That's awesome! When is Founders coming here?
     
  8. Hopscotch

    Hopscotch Initiate (0) May 15, 2012

    I think a brewery should do whatever they please, and whatever fills their plan for success. Just because a brewery fed first its local surroundings doesn't mean that local region can support their growing business. Imagine a brewery as a band, and then ask yourself, assuming you were in that band, would you be content being a local success, or do you want people all of the country listening to your music (eating your beer).
     
  9. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I'm not so sure, wouldn't expanding your distribution only be valid as a money maker if your current distribution channels are oversaturated?
     
  10. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    It's the same as stocks - diversify. When Apple is doing good you don't make it 100% of your portfolio.
     
  11. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Maybe that is the problem, are there beers FFF make for instance that are overflowing on shelves in some markets?
     
  12. emannths

    emannths Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Are the Founders main-line beer hard to come by? I don't think the supply of special release beers should be the measuring stick. If they can keep their year-round beers on the shelves throughout their distro area, that's really all that matters imho--heck, go with a two-tiered plan, with undersupplied beers limited to a smaller distro area. Here in Boston, there seems to be no shortage of Centennial, Porter, Red's Rye, etc.
     
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  13. NiceTaps

    NiceTaps Pooh-Bah (2,138) Nov 21, 2011 New Jersey
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    To answer your question; No. There is the scenario in which their current markets are underperforming, so they explore new territory. Let's say sales are weak in NJ... do they give up? No, they ship less here and ship some to new markets. This much I am sure of.
     
  14. fishtremble

    fishtremble Zealot (532) Jan 18, 2010 Michigan

    Founders has never been able to satisfy their own states needs on seasonal or special releases especially on the SE side of Michigan but continues to stretch further out. This is exactly why I'll take a Dark Horse or Bells over Founders any day of the week. They may make good beer but I have never believed they gave two shits about their customers once they grew. Of course just my opinion but thankfully the only one I am concerned with when choosing where to spend my money. :slight_smile:
     
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  15. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I can understand redistributing stock when certain areas underperform, and I don't have an issue getting most of their regular offerings, but their limited and seasonal offering go pretty quick here.
     
  16. NiceTaps

    NiceTaps Pooh-Bah (2,138) Nov 21, 2011 New Jersey
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    Now I get it, you want ALL the Founders for yourself !!! Why didn't you just say so?!?:wink:

    I can't say that I blame you one bit!:slight_smile:
     
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  17. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    A brewery needs to do what makes the most business sense. Ideally that will coincide with satisfying local demand before expanding, but if for some reason it doesn't, the brewery needs to act in its own self-interest. Better to have not enough Founders beer getting to everyone who wants it than no Founders beer getting to anyone because of bad business decisions.
     
  18. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Maven (1,391) Mar 23, 2008 California

    Is Founder's able to satisfy demand for their year round regulars in their current markets?
    Is so, it's time to expand.
     
  19. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    From what I hear the NJ distributor backorders and rations the year round beers quite often, and the Porter is a very rare commodity by me.
     
  20. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    Bah, there goes all the extra KBS that was 'spose to be around next year. I knew it, knew it, knew it!
     
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