Critique my SMaSH recipe

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Jay_Ulreich, Apr 1, 2014.

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  1. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    alcaponejr should approve of this recipe. Do 4oz in dryhop to round it up to the full pound
     
  2. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I think either will be good, I like cascade slightly better on its own, IMO columbus has a slightly rough edge that cascade doesnt
     
  3. Dan114

    Dan114 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    ^this. Munich would be cool if you cut down the hops I think
     
  4. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Looks good as is. Brew it!
     
  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    I'll bet a lot of people would not disagree Cascade does quite well in the flavor and aroma department but would not be their 1st choice for bittering.

    My preference for bittering PAs / IPAs is Warrior...Magnum...Perle...Centennial.
     
  6. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    Okay, just ordered my tasty ingredients! They had Columbus today so I jumped on it. recipe is as follows:

    5 Gal batch
    Mashing at 151 for 60 min
    14 lbs Munich
    2 oz Columbus in the mash (maybe, never done that before, Im thinkin i might just continously add this 2 oz a lil bit at a time towards the end of the boil from 15 min to 0. OR just add these to dryhop.... making 4 oz total dryhop.)
    2 oz @ 60
    2 oz @ 15 plus 1 tsp Irish moss, + some yeast nutrient
    2 oz @ 10
    2 oz @ 5
    2 oz @ 0
    2 oz @ whirlpool
    2 oz dryhop

    1 pack rehydrated US-05

    Okay, critique that!
     
  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    How about this for a hopping schedule:
    .5oz @ FWH
    .5oz @ 60
    2oz @ 15
    2oz @ 10
    2oz @ 5
    2oz @ 0
    3oz @ whirlpool
    4oz @ dryhop

    You're still gonna get big bitterness with this schedule provided you do a full boil, but you should get a very noticeably more pungent aroma. Since I know you like the smell of weed, this will give it to you.
     
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  8. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    Actually, I like this idea. But Im not certain if the FWH addition really does much. Have you had experience with it? +1 on the weed smell, I want this beer to be nice and dank :slight_smile: Definitely full boil, batch sparge
     
  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I've taken to FWH all of my beers. I feel like I get a better hot break and I'm not hovering over the pot waiting for the boil so I can clean out the mash ton. A lot of folks feel that you don't get as assertive of a bittering addition, so I'll split it in something I want to be really aggressive.
     
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  10. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    Ah, okay thats a great idea. I too would normally just be standing there waiting for it to start boiling when I wish I could start cleaning stuff up at that point, but Im too OCD to not sit and wait for it to come to a boil to add my 60 min addition haha.

    On a side note, I still have 4 oz of Mosaic hops left. I was thinking of being real crazy and adding 2 oz continuously from 15 min to flameout, and the other 2 in the dryhop. Just cuz I really dont have a use for them and I wasnt really thrilled with my SMaSH Maris Otter and Mosaic pale ales.
    Perhaps I could just get 4 oz of Azzaca and some 2 row and make a Victory Hop Ranch clone.
     
  11. Melvin

    Melvin Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2014 Washington

    Smash is so you can see how a single malt tastes, and to see how a certain hop tastes. If you go to hoppy you might not be able to understand the malt used.
     
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  12. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    I know. After awhile Hops fade. It takes me quite awhile to go through 5 gallons. Even if I drink if before it all before I notice the malt flavor, thats okay, Munich costs the same as regular 2 row.
     
  13. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    just know that there arent any north american malts that match the flavor of a good german munich malt. Nothing NA Ive had can match best malz, weyermann, or durst (in that order)
     
  14. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Looks fantastic! You won't regret it, brew it!
     
  15. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    You did see that I got a lb of Columbus and not Cascade, right?
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Well, I'm a cascade fanatic, so I'm quick to run with teh ball for a touchdown anytime someone mentions cascade. And yes, I do a little dance in the endzone, screw the fine. :grinning:
     
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  17. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    I just opened the Columbus hops to take a wiff, and add a few pelets to my hop-lacking pale ale. They smell just like what Im looking for and also taste real nice in my ale. You ever made an all Columbus beer, particulary a SMaSH? Im ver excited for this one. I should be brewing it this weekend. Hoping to get around to it anyway. Ive never put a whole pound of hops in a beer before. :grinning: Also, I was thinking of putting MOAR hops in it! I still got 4 ozs of Mosaic. Id put 2 oz continuously from 15-10 min til flameout, and 2 oz added to the dryhop.

    What do you think?
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You know- I posted a thread about mash hopping, and I've read some articles on it. I'm not sure it adds a TON to the beer, but.. I did find that it adds some killer aroma to the beer, despite being boiling for 90 minutes, I could smell the Chinook in the boil that I used in the mash. Granted, I used 5 ounces of old Chinook leaf in there, but I used extract to bitter and never added any other hops until flameout/whirlpool.

    I also feel I got some bitterness out of it. Beersmith estimated around 25 IBU's from my addition.

    That said- it's a bit wasteful unless you are cleaning out the freezer, have a ton of them, or got a good price on something plentiful.
     
  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Columbus is tasty, but it is a big "rough" as someone mentioned. Danky, slight citrusy, dirt. Pungent would be a good descriptor.

    I'd use Columbus to up my bitter value early, add some late with the Cascade and forget the whole silly smash ideal.

    Keep in mind, you will have some pretty significant wort loss due to all the hops. I'm not one that really likes to constrict the hops in the boil via bags and spiders, but I will on occasion use my SS hop spider in the boil and try and keep it clean. Once I add over 10-12 ounces, I generally let it free float as the spider gets full.

    Not knowing you system, I'd find a way to keep the wort as clear/clean as possible exiting the kettle, but it's obviously a challenge. I'd up your volume by another half gallon atleast if you can.
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Well I haven't made an ALL columbus smash yet, but I've used fair proportions of columbus, and I can't say that I would PANIC if you were going to use columbus instead of cascade for this beer. Really, the facts are that as long as your fundamentals are solid (which yours probably are), beer is pretty darn forgiving, and 1,000 different reasonable hops schedules could make tasty beer with any given reasonable grain bill. Columbus is a fine hop too. Maybe cascade is my favorite, but nothing wrong with columbus!

    I kind of said "brew it!" because of the phenomenon of asking a simple question and getting lots of complex advice* that happens on this type of forum. If you choose to just brew it using columbus instead of cascade, you'll still wind up with fine beer, it will just taste like columbus, not cascade.

    With a full pound of hops, your beer is going to be as UN-balanced as you can get. I don't have a problem with that, because you are aware of what you're doing, and why you're doing it; you're not shooting blind on a noob extract pale ale recipe hoping to clone bud light in your freshly bought from JC Penny mr beer keg. :rolling_eyes:

    *not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to advice on recipes, just a phenomenon really, because recipes can vary greatly and still make fine beer. So if you ask for advice on a pale ale or IPA, you're likely to get a bzillon answers, and it's quite possible they're all fine answers (so eventually you just have to make a decision already!)
     
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