Trading Sense: Red Flags

Yeah, he does. You bring ebay into any conversation for a trade on here, 90% of the people will shut you down real quick. I am the 90%

 

Nice ninja edit about being born before me. Since that apparently carries so much weight, I guess that means I should defer to your seasoned opinions then?

BTW if you're such a stand-up guy I'll take you up on that offer of giving me your Vanilla DL for free. I promise you'll get a tasty.

 

I think you missed Pahn's point. And yes I think Cbeer88 speaks for the vast majority of BA. He has been around a long time and is a stand up guy in the BA community, and is very level headed in the forums (I mean, look at his post to "likes" ratio, it is crazy high).

The odd thing is you keep talking about not wanting to get "bent over" or have some one take advantage of you. But this is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to value your beers VERY high and claim everyone else's beer is worth less. If you do not understand why BT (especially an 09) does not go 1:1 for a 12 'DL, or why CBS would not get a CR when it might get a BT, I suggest you keep learning in the threads and maybe start by trading OTS locals-4-locals.

p.s. no one cares how old you are. In BA years and experience you are young and have a lot to learn

 

That's bullshit, fuck those people.

If you need any MN brews give me a yell, you'll get the same treatment all traders get. I'll be mean, ship late, and never add extras other than infected homebrew.

 

I always get the vibe that it's the first step of commoditizing beer. I know I'm talking out my ass on this one, though.

 

100% on this- I know not everyone cares but I don't like to trade with ebay'rz.

 

Ok tell me where to be and when to be there and no i dont want to attend your buddies bday.

 

I don't think it would be worth a case of Vanilla DL's to hang out with that guy for 5 minutes.

 

While I agree with you about Cbeer88, the post to likes ratio isn't a good indicator of being level headed, just check out Backfat's ratio.

 

Is beer not a commodity?

 

to some more than others. To me, it's a good time.

 

Sounds deadly...but...so...tempting.

 

given the places cbeer88 posts, i think it actually is meaningful. me, i have lots of likes because i post in LNBA regularly. and because i write, like, "fuck you!" in the beginning of a bad thread and get 10~ likes. in other words, in my case it's probably less meaningful than in cbeer88's.

 

ok well send me a bm and we can exchange numbers and meet someplace by wrigley while a game is going on and have a beer and a chat, if we are oil and water no harm no foul (pun intended with ur avatar)LOL

I have a reference from an IP deal in the chicago suburbs from back in May,
Traded with funhog -- http://beeradvocate.com/community/members/funhog.577324/

good dude did he obv did not go all werewolves of london on me!

 

No it is not. A commodity is undifferentiated and fungible. Craft beer is neither of these things.

Commodity:
Rice
Corn
Oil
Cash

Not Commodity:
TV
Car
Computer
Craft Beer

 

That craft beer is not a commodity in a fungible sense the way WTI, Brent crude and No. 2 cotton are doesn't make it not a "commodity"; just like art.
com·mod·i·ty

   [kuh-mod-i-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural com·mod·i·ties.
1.
an article of trade or commerce, especially a product as distinguished from a service.
2.
something of use, advantage, or value.
3.
Stock Exchange . any unprocessed or partially processed good, as grain, fruits, and vegetables, or precious metals.
4.
Obsolete . a quantity of goods.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commodity

 

Commodity is the generic term for any marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs

Fungibility is harder to nail down but when trading commodities it refers to the ability to turn a specific instrument into cash or another similar instrument.

If one looks at the market for cellar-able wines one finds something much more robust than this community... In fact, the first person to the mountain top on a beer only auction house might be opening a gold mine.

 

Thank you for linking to the commerce page, otherwise I wouldn't have found this gem:
1.

an interchange of goods or commodities, especially on alarge scale between different countries ​

(foreigncommerce) ​

or between different parts of the same country​

(domestic commerce); ​

trade; business.​

So dictionary.com is circular in definition 1. I love when dictionary articles define word a using word b, then use b to define word a. Unless you were referring to:
3.

sexual intercourse

But I don't think you were.

And if you are going by number 2. everything you buy, sell or use is a commodity in which case beer (and pretty much everything else for that matter) has always been a commodity and the above statement is meaningless.

Or you are talking about 3 or 4 which quite frankly don't make any sense.

HOORAY ARGUING SEMANTICS ON THE INTERNET!!!!

 

The word "commerce" was hyperlinked in what I copied - the scenario you describe isn't what's going on. Beer fits the first two definitions of "commodity", but not the third -- the third definition is the one EdwardsFortyHands pointed out that beer does not fit. That's the contract or spot on the CBOE or the LME.

You are correct about everything bought, sold or used being a commodity.

 

If commodity is the generic term for any marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs than the above statement is completely useless and ridiculous.

You are defining liquidity not fungibility. If a good is fungible I don't care if it came from producer A, or producer B or producer C. Answering the question "is beer fungible?" is as easy as answering the question "do you care if your imperial stout came from founders or bells or victory or dogfish head etc. etc.?"