Bad Trader Alert - Swuntly and potentially CEnterPound

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by cbeer88, Jul 4, 2012.

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  1. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Please be cautious dealing with users Swuntly and CEnterpound.

    First off, I apologize profusely to CEnterpound if I am off here, but the similarities are too much to let this pass without immediately letting the community know as other trades may already be in progress. I privately put this out to a couple of other vets and they also agreed this seemed like too much to not go publicly with immediately. But I certainly welcome him responding here to explain things. If he's a good egg he'll understand why I posted this.

    This is long and complex, but here we go…

    BA user Swuntly was in my NOOB BIF back in May. I received a message from his friend (under Swuntly's account) right before the shipping deadline in late May, saying that Swuntly was in a car accident. (legs/ribs, non life threatening) After a couple of back and forth messages, his friend guaranteed he'd have a box out shortly to cover for Swuntly. He never responded back with contact info, and that was the last I've heard from him. Swuntly never logged in again, and was unresponsive to emails/phone calls. The box never arrived. Two weeks ago I sent his target a box so as not to give somebody a bad first BIF experience, so at this point Swuntly owes me a box which is 5 weeks overdue. 6 weeks laid up in a hospital without being able to respond to an email or phone call is a little far-fetched, but I've been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until now.

    In the meantime, I've been in contact with another user who was left hanging in a trade by Swuntly, 'weaksauce'. We've gone back and forth about a few oddities over the last few weeks. Fast forward to today, and weaksauce messaged me about a curious user called 'CEnterPound' who has posted a couple of FT:ISO's that include a few rare midwest releases that happened to be the exact same bottles that weaksauce had sent to Swuntly. 23 year old brand new west coast trader with identical midwestern rarities in their cellar? Suspect…

    So we dug further, and curiously enough, Swuntly and centerpound share the following things in common:
    - Same exact birthdate, down to the day
    - Same exact location (San Diego)
    - centerpound began his forum activity on 5/26. Swuntly ceased logging into BA on 5/26. (BTW, 5/22 was when I received my message from his friend)
    - Both have eerily similar all-grain homebrewing questions in their history, right down to message formatting

    Basically, there is a lot of evidence here that they are the same person, and this whole accident thing was a scam. I really do hope I'm wrong, because if not, this is stooping pretty low. Everybody should also now be very cautious about trading to San Diego to anyone without a long history, as who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes. The centerpound account was created a year ago, so there is nothing saying there aren't numerous older accounts sitting around for when the time is right.

    Again - I really hope I jumped the gun here, but if I'm right, I hopefully saved a few of you from getting burned.
     
    #1 cbeer88, Jul 4, 2012
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  2. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    Sounds like you're probably spot-on.
     
    #2 Rempo, Jul 4, 2012
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  3. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Sorry to hear it. You are one of the BA's I trust the most with all you've done from the community and the way you worded this proves to me why. Hopefully more is uncovered but thanks for the heads up.
     
    #3 Eriktheipaman, Jul 4, 2012
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  4. HomeBrewed

    HomeBrewed Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2006 Minnesota

    You've definitely done your due diligence detective...Good looking on letting the community know about this
     
    #4 HomeBrewed, Jul 4, 2012
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  5. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    BA has shown me that there really are a lot of awesome people out there. It has also shown me that certain people are just naturally dickholes.
     
    #5 yamar68, Jul 4, 2012
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  6. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    this thing is more common than people suspect:

    fyrekrakker05 -> urownnitemare / alldeybrewin
    stubone / raidersfan4ever -> rampage1
    schmoopsbeer -> popinbottles

    :slight_frown:
     
    #6 Levitation, Jul 4, 2012
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  7. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    I think we're dealing with a criminal mastermind here...
     
    #7 Etan, Jul 4, 2012
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  8. jeonseh

    jeonseh Maven (1,307) Oct 14, 2007 Indiana

    Appreciate you bringing this forward to the community and doing the due diligence to back it up.
     
    #8 jeonseh, Jul 4, 2012
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  9. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Canada (QC)

    If we do have something here, it sounds like a case for the bad traders list.

    -on my profile as always-
     
    #9 oldp0rt, Jul 4, 2012
  10. AleWatcher

    AleWatcher Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2009 Illinois

    Thanks for posting this!
    I certainly hope no one else gets suckered in by this guy!
     
    #10 AleWatcher, Jul 4, 2012
  11. AleWatcher

    AleWatcher Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2009 Illinois

    I always thoughts schmoopsbeer was kind of a douche, but I didn't hear anything about him bailing on any trades?! Did I miss something?
     
    #11 AleWatcher, Jul 4, 2012
  12. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    i'm aware that he has been slow / uncommunicative on a few, but i don't know if he has been written off as a bad trader just yet.
     
    #12 Levitation, Jul 4, 2012
  13. AleWatcher

    AleWatcher Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2009 Illinois

    He actually threatened me when I asked him about some questionable circumstances involving a few of his trades... And he informed me that he works at a record company "signing bands" and makes more money than I'll "ever dream of."

    (his words, but typos and punctuation corrected by me).
     
    #13 AleWatcher, Jul 4, 2012
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  14. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina

    It takes a special kind of bad trader to dick over a BIF. Sorry about that cbeer. I really enjoyed the locals BIF you ran.
     
    #14 ASUBeer, Jul 4, 2012
  15. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    sounds like mental problem a la bitzy. don't mean this sarcastically either. it's pretty rare for non-fucked up people to say shit like "i make more money than you'll ever dream of."

    it's one thing to go nuts on the internet and say dumb shit in a thread... but some people have real problems that go unnoticed until they have weird social breakdowns.
     
    #15 Pahn, Jul 4, 2012
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  16. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Initiate (0) May 6, 2010 Minnesota

    thats what you get for the avatar you use. Hey-O
     
    #16 biglobo8971, Jul 4, 2012
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  17. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    Thanks to cbeer88 for taking, what I'm sure to be, a significant amount of time digging for similarities/accuracies to put out to your fellow BAs. Goes without saying, but the rest of us should take the OP as an example of what we should always do, if not already. This Swuntly/name of the week guy is a prime candidate for the bad trader list...if he still even uses those aliases or identifies himself from SD from now on.
     
    #17 LambicKing, Jul 4, 2012
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  18. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    you're not the first person that has been threatened over ba. :slight_smile:

    and in asking around, i've been told by his friends that schmoops might be a pathological liar.
     
    #18 Levitation, Jul 4, 2012
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  19. gkatsoris

    gkatsoris Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2007

    please add them all to the bad traders list if you get some time? I def cross check it before committing to trading with anyone.
     
    #19 gkatsoris, Jul 4, 2012
  20. jp7161

    jp7161 Zealot (628) Dec 22, 2011 California
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    I just completed a trade with CENterpound and everything went off without a hitch. I received two Beat's and sent out two 375 cantillon's along with some extras in exchange. Fair trade. He shipped fast, but I did have him ship first.

    Not saying it's not the same guy, but I literally just finished a good trade with him.

    Joe
     
    #20 jp7161, Jul 4, 2012
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