Bad Trader Alert - Swuntly and potentially CEnterPound

The bad traders list is always open to new ideas that could help the community!

 

Even if someone is a bad trader, not sure putting their personal info out there is a great idea.

 

I say they deserve whatever they get for being shady. But I'm kind of a ****.

 

I'm with jivex5k on this one. Just curious why it would be a bad idea on your end. I'm all for it.

 

I'd really like to be able to cross-check addresses. Seems like the easiest and fastest way to find out if you're dealing with someone from "the list" who just created a new account...at least until people start to get wise and set up a complex network of proxy houses/crack dens.

 

No.
When levifunk started the list he originally allowed for names/addresses but the bros said no.
We cannot post personal info in bad traders threads, and to do so on the list is basically the same thing.

 

Posting name/address posting might be a bit extreme. Truth is always a defense in defamation involving non-public parties, but it could still be construed defamation. Hence, a prima facie case could still potentially be made. Even if you were to win that case, would you really want to have to go through defending it?

#Takesofflaywerhat, puts on #drinkingstonesmokedporterhat

 

I don't see how it's the same thing. The list is not associated to BA at all (believe me i tried). It's a personal spreadsheet.

I didn't think it would matter to them and also I said it was open to ideas in general.

 

The list may be a "personal" thing, but it's closely associated with the BA community whether official endorsed or not. I think that names/addresses is a real bad door to open personally.

If you are on the fence of whether to send with someone, have them send first. Simple solution. Either that, or only trade with regulars.

 

I'm not even considering personal info. I was mainly pointing out that ideas are welcome. Although i personally do agree that if adresses are there it would be easier for everyone to double check a trade.

 

Perhaps listing the State of residence is OK to help flag, but thats about as "specific" a location as I think would be fair to endorse.

 

What about listing just the zip codes to help cross reference potential bad traders? A zip code is not exactly super personal in the grand scheme of things as far as personal info goes. Just a thought.

 

Cbeer, alewatcher and jegross pretty much summed up all the different reasons I think it would be a bad idea. Not only what they mentioned, but would you really want all of your info out there, bad trader or not? I know we all think everyone is here to advocate beer, but clearly based on the bad traders list, there are people who don't have the right motives. Also, once it's posted on the internet, anyone can see it. Sure, they'd have to do a little work to know it existed, but like I said, you don't know what peoples motives are once they find the list. Comparing it to the sex offenders list is absurd. If you think **** and child molestation is comparable to beating someone out of a box, you may be taking this a little too seriously.

 

I think having someone send first is crucial for new trades. The lesson learned here is one good trade doesn't mean you will not get screwed for the second trade.

Posting personal info does not seem right. Maybe just enough to be recognizable but then it would be difficult to search. A quick search that only shows users when matched would be ideal.

 

I think by even mentioning it, you're bringing up at least some sort of comparison. And I guess I'm in favor of the list. I've never checked it, but can see how it would be a help. I know the next point would be "well then you can see how this would help too." It was brought up earlier how it's also run by the government, not just a random group who have interest in the topic at hand. It just seems a little excessive, and I don't know too much about law, but I'd bet it's illegal too.

 

The way it is now is probably the best way I can have it without causing any problem. I see where most people were getting at though. An address stays.. A BA name can be changed. If people are listed and decide to simply make a new account, there's no way for anyone to know. Now when trading they give you their info and it's the same as on the list then obviously it would ring a bell. I'm not sayin i'm for it 100% just would make pointing out repeating scammers easier.

 

This is why having the member that submitted the bad trader is important.
And why I suggest that anyone that submits a bad trader keep the info handy somewhere.
I would like to see city/state or just the zipcode listed on the bad traders list for all the people listed.

If I am gonna trade with some one from Goshen Indiana and I see Cuzco added a bad user from that town, then I simply shoot him a BM and ask if my guys's name/address matches in any sense.
If so, I cancel the trade and alert the community with a thread.

This way, no personal info is posted publically, but one message allows for confirmation.

Other option-- oldport keeps a separate list WITH names and addresses that is private. He can run double checks as people message him. (I think this would be more of a pain in the ass for the list-keeper than the first option which puts me firmly in support of the former)

 

Here's the problem:

Guy got ripped off - "he's a deadbeat trader, he is terrible, blah blah blah"

Community - "who is it? I dont want the same thing to happen to me!"

Guy that got ripped off- "well, i dont want to out him, in case..."

Community - ""what about information to help this not happen again?"

GTGRO (since we love acronyms) - "No no no, he may be a thief, but his address is private! Just be careful out there."

If a guy steals from me, then he has no right to the privacy y'all think he is owed. He lost that right when he stole from me,

Just saying, ACLU crowd.