Bad Trader Alert - Swuntly and potentially CEnterPound

Makes sense.

 

Let me know how that argument holds up in court Hammurabi

 

What court? Beer advocate court?

If someone shares their address, and then I share it...what privacy law have i broken? I have no duty to them, no contract.

 

Maybe just adding the city would help.

 

I agree with what a couple people said. Having the zip code and name of the submitter might perfectly straddle this issue. A zipcode is hardly an identifying feature, but it would allow me to send a message to the submitter and see if the contact info matches what he has from the bad trade.

 

Maybe y'all are considering revenge. I'm referring to a record of bad traders. One that includes information given by said traders. For reference. What privacy law, or other laws, are broken by doing so? And it is a far cry, "blasting" from being responsible. And for the most part, responsibility is not lost on this group. Passiveness, however, seems to be an issue that perpetuates the problem.

 

This.

 

Again, i challenge you to find and quote the case law that says you can't share someone's address on a forum after they give that info to you. (and i get that the bros can...it's their forums). But some of you keep yelling legal. Not familiar with that privacy law.

 

Completely agree with your first point. Responsibility is key.

But i can't agree with your last. Because there is no law being violated. No duty owed. No contract. No agreement. You gave me your information. I would only be breaking the law if i committed a crime with that info.

 

i wonder where people come up with things like this. re: posting personal info, i'm against it, but that's not really what i'm posting about here. even if i were for it, it baffles me when someone says, "well, if you do X, you forfeit Y," when there's no principled correlation whatsoever.

i mean, why does he lose his right to privacy when he steals from you? because you're angry? because he committed a bad act, so now all bad acts toward him are acceptable (again, why? by what logic??)?

this stuff falls immediately upon inspection. it's obvious to pretty much anyone that you can't pick an effect out of thin air and say, "well of course X causes that effect," or a punishment out of thin air and "well, of course that punishment fits such-and-such crime."

you need to do a little more mental work than that...

 

There are some privacy torts that come to mind. Im not quite sure public address disclosure would qualify as a tort, but depending on what other information you reveal there are common law torts like Public Disclosure of Private Facts, Intrusion of Affairs/Seclusion, Publication in a "false light." My guess is there are more "on point" state laws beyond the realm of tort that would be more directly applicable.

I'd be "more helpful," but i go on this site to avoid thinking about the bar exam lol

 

I think that this is one of the worst traders in recent history. He didn't get in over his head or have some form of life happen like most people, he lied (scored an awesome box that I sent him) changed his name and continued to trade. What a loser. Wow.

 

It's like the concept of limited duties owed to anticipated/known trespassers and the rule against using deadly force to defend property. I mean sure, he's trespassing on your land ("get off my lawn") or "stealing your stuff", but two wrongs do not make a right. And wrongs precedent do not per se justify wrongs subsequent.

 

In a perfect world, maybe. I'm talking about someone stealing my beer, on a beer forum, via a trade setup through messages - silly, righht? Our arrangement is x for y. You take x, i dont get y? Okay...i'll make sure you don't pull this again with others. I feel responsible to do so. the right you had to that privacy...that privacy of me keeping our arrangement secret...you lose that right because you may try it again. Ethical?

 

But "who says" they lose that right? You? When does that right attach. Technically you and I have an enforceable contract when you promise to ship x for my promise to ship y. So if you later back out does a similar right attach? Because legally, my personal remedy against you is the same in your scenario as mine

 

Guys, we're seeing this at different levels. And cbeer...you said yourself...if shared privately...i added responsibly....then okay. And of course the bros have a responsibilty, they have this forum. No compromise to any laws sharing information given freely by others, as long as no laws are broken in use of information.

I disagree, and will continue to laugh at some of you as you complain of bad traders and rack your brains over what to do about them.

I will also enjoy this beer i'm drinking. So cheers.

 

Maybe first 3 digits of a phone number or something could be a good idea.