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KtG brewer leaving Portsmouth Brewery ... increase in value?

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by ajcormier, Jul 11, 2012.

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Has Kate increased in value with the news that Mott will be leaving the Brewery?

  1. Yes; It was a whale to begin with and now it just got harder to get.

    45.8%
  2. No; It's still going to be a whale

    54.2%
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  1. ajcormier

    ajcormier Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2010 New Hampshire

    So now that it's official and Tod Mott, brewer of Kate the Great, is leaving the place where the beer became famous, what happens to the value of the Kate that's on the trading market?

    As most of us beer geeks out there understand, recreating a beer on a different brewing system changes the characteristics of the beer completely and can take a few years to dial back in. This is especially true when making a big beer that requires aging, conditioning and a longer fermentation process. It's not like the beer can be brewed, fermented and served within a month and if it's not quite right, do it again and again until it's nailed.

    Not to mention if the beer will EVEN be brewed again in the near future. So what's the new value of KtG?
     
  2. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    While I don't think it should, I predict that Kate is going to be considered much rarer in months to come, at least in the trading forums.
     
  3. jsilva

    jsilva Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2009 Massachusetts

    The value of Kate has dropped significantly over the last few years and I dont see this making a huge difference honestly. The word is out that Kate although very good is just too plain/tame to give up what it used to fetch and hence the overrated word has been thrown around a lot. I would like to see Kate evolve and maybe be barrel aged in the future. Hopefully with Mott gone they start to brew more interesting or risky/extreme stuff. Or a constant Ipa/Dipa on tap would be cool too.
     
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  4. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Pooh-Bah Society

    I'm not sure your poll options are actually different. "It's a whale" or "It's a whale". Okay.

    As for the value, who cares? We don't know what's going to happen and speculating about it is pretty pointless.
     
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  5. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    I am not going to lose sleep over not drinking it again even if it is made somewhere else.

    MOST OVERHYPED WALE... EVER!!
     
  6. BigGene

    BigGene Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2010 Florida

    Wouldn't the place that has brewed the beer for a few years continue to brew it. they have the recipe and I dont really think it can be screwed up that bad. (never had KtG so go easy on me)
     
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  7. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    3) stupid poll.

    hits "whale" use, confusing beer with baseball cards or money, shameless attempts to hype a beer the OP probably possesses, etc. count me out, thanks.
     
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  8. domtronzero

    domtronzero Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2007 California

    CHOOOOOO CHOOOOOO!

    Ahhh... good ol' thinly veiled attempts at boosting the trade value of overrated beers.
     
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  9. aandresen

    aandresen Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2009 Arizona
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    Pretty sure Mordor should be banned from using that avatar with statements like that :rolling_eyes:

    I thought Kate was pretty darn good.
     
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  10. Alieniloquium

    Alieniloquium Grand Pooh-Bah (3,800) Dec 16, 2008 Florida
    Pooh-Bah Society Trader

    The new trend on BA will not simply be to treat beer like a commodity, but to engage in beer speculation. We can start a "Beer Futures Exchange" sub-forum where you can contractually trade beers now for delivery of the beer later. Or perhaps we can start doing short trading of beers we suspect will drop in value. I can borrow your DDG now, trade for a whale, and then return the DDG to you later when I can reobtain it for locals due to its drop in status!

    Even better! Groups of BAs can trade beer insurance for your whales, which can then be bundled, split, and sold as ultra-complicated but exceedingly profitable "Beer Default Swaps." Thus ensuring that you won't be left out to dry if the case of KH you're sitting on doesn't trade for multiple Daves in 5 years.

    Man, it sucks that I like to drink the most profitable assets in my investment portfolio...
     
  11. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    People need to remember the there is a difference between Whales, Shelf Whales and DONGS. If the "new" Kate is a brewery only thing than it would remain a true Whale. If production does not increase but it gets distribution than it is not a Whale but a Shelf Whale. If it ends up being draft only than it would be a DONG (Don't think Maine does growler fills off a draft).

    To early for Tender to make a call on this one. Too many variables at this point.
     
  12. steebo777

    steebo777 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Couldn't have said it better.

    Sorry, but KtG is overhyped. Good, not great beer.
     
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  13. aandresen

    aandresen Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2009 Arizona
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    Sounded more like Walter than The Dude is all. Maybe I am a Nihilist.
     
  14. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon

    Well yeah it's more like Walter. The post wasn't about White Russians.
     
  15. jsilva

    jsilva Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2009 Massachusetts

    Tender not to burst your bubble but portsmouth is in NH not Maine and they currently fill growlers to go so your dong equation is theoretically possible.
     
  16. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Pooh-Bah Society

    I know, right? Huge swaths of my cellar are now beer that I'm not really looking forward to just because I tend to drink all the good stuff. (Incidentally, this fact is why I'm not particularly big on extras.)
     
  17. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina

    Has the "never going to be brewed again" line always been used to generate hype on this site? Or is this a newer phenomenon?
     
  18. ShawDeuce22

    ShawDeuce22 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts

    I think what he was saying is that Todd is going to Maine, if he were to brew it in Maine then it may be a DONG. I'm not 100% sure if Maine allows growlers from taps either.

    [EDIT: ninja-ish]
     
  19. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    haha.... mostly being a wise ass... I thought that he was gonna brewing in Maine too...

    Speaking of Shelf Whales.... I owe you some real whales bro. You delivered the goods recently and Tender only brought shelf whales to the table..:slight_frown:
     
  20. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    please don't lump us all in with pokemon collectors like yourself.

    you hear this news and the first thing you're concerned about is "increase in value"... jesus wept.
     
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