Kegerator service in Boston

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  1. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    A couple of points - not only does the beer have to be cold, it needs to be a consistent temperature from keg to faucet. That's why the tower cooler is key. You need to be careful insulating the tower, you need to allow enough room for return air from the cooler to get back into the main compartment. No air flow, you are back to square 1. I'd suggest skipping the insulation until the foam is under control.
    You should now take this time to read up on balancing your system, which is the science behind dissolved CO2 in beer. There are formulas which tie together the measured beer temperature (you choose this based on preference, 38 is the most common), the volumes of CO2 the beer was kegged at (you get this from the brewery or a site that has a running list of values, or at worst guess at something, most typically around 2.6 or 2.7) and applied pressure (you set this based on using a force carbonation chart, the temperature of the beer and the volumes of CO2. I've had a variety of Harpoon on tap in my house, it is a nice stable product to work with, very repeatable and consistent.
     
  2. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    All of that makes sense Doug, i remember trying to balance the system by temp and co2 psi but i didn't use any real temp values, all guess work. That's prob why it didn't work out so well lol. I wan'st going to go crazy on insulation on the tower, turns out there is already some in there but it was a bad install in the fact that foam is just shoved in. I'm going to glue it down / remove it to increase airflow so i'll be good to go.

    Doug/anyone else if you have any charts/resources to help me balance the beer in general that would be kickass.

    Also my keg (full keg of harpoon IPA) has been tapped but the CO2 is turned off because of the known leak, is that beer bad now ? or is it still good ?


    Thanks all,

    Pete
     
  3. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

  4. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    ok excellent, and yeah the beer is still chilled. Prob mid 40's if i had to guess. Ill take a look at the links later.

    Thanks again Doug
     
  5. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    So I got everything in and I'm going to try and hook everything up today. Couple quick questions:
    1. I know I want my beer line around 10 ft to help with the flow and foam, is there a general length I want my co2 line to be ?

    2. My new coupler didn't come with a seal for the beer line connection, do I need a washer there for correct sealing ?

    Other then that I should be good to go. Wish me luck !
     
  6. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    CO2 line length is irrelevant, yes you need a washer at the coupler outlet on the beer line.
     
  7. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    thanks for the insight doug, measured the temp of my water, was at 45 degrees. Looks like im going to have to mess with the internal tstat to get that beer colder.
     
  8. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Indeed. You will also lose a lot of temp while you are installing and upgrading all this stuff so give it a reasonable chance to get settled back in before you do anything drastic.
     
  9. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    yeah my plans are to get the temps right first, i need to find the t-stat screw on my lunch break. once i get that sitting pretty ill do all of the other stuff after all of my afternoon meetings. still cant find any good diys or guides outlining this process so im guessing it must be pretty easy.
     
  10. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    It is easy.
     
  11. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    only question is am i backing the screw out some or going in ?
     
  12. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    so i pulled it apart, there were two screws you could adjust, one on top of the tstat and one on the face of the thermostat, im guessing its the one on the top i need to back out ?
     
  13. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    I don't know about the adjustment, all the other stuff is easy, that's what I was referring to.
     
  14. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    oh alright thanks, hopefully ill figure that item out lol
     
  15. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    actually called nostalgia and they told me. For future reference for anyone with the krs-2100 you need to unscrew the thermostat and remove the knob and then remove it from the housing. there will be a screw on the face of the dial. turn clockwise to get it colder, of course do all of this with the unit unplugged. !!!!

    im testing with a cup of water to see if it gets cold enough. I also plan on using an external thermostat so im not as worried if it gets too cold.
     
  16. pfabs

    pfabs Initiate (176) Jan 3, 2017 Massachusetts

    beers 39-40 degrees out of the faucet, have the tower cooler installed and the psi set to 9 psi according to what i have found on a previous post with info direct from Harpoon. Still getting cups of foam. Getting a little frustrated. I am still getting a little leak with the new lines, couplets and faucet, not sure but its very minimal, would that cause this ? the only other thing i can think of is i have a 12' beer line but its just kinda shoved in on top of the beer keg, is this alright or does it need to be in a certain configuration ?

    thanks in advance
     
  17. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Leaks will cause foam, but your pressure is too low anyway. Using 2.6 for a volumes of CO2, and 40 degrees you need to be up around 13 psi. With the long line you can easily go a bit higher. My preference for the line is to keep it at the bottom of the unit, you want consistent temps and the beer comes from the bottom of the keg. The warmest place in the box would be on top of the keg.

    Adjust the pressure to 13 and wait 12 hours. Draw a beer, which will likely still have foam. It is your next one that should show you where you are at. Let the unit sit for a while and watch what is going on in the beer line - if you have bubbles moving you are still unbalanced and likely low on the pressure.
     
  18. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    For the temperature, are you using a calibrated thermometer and taking the temperature of the second glass?
     
  19. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    Hmm...
    Tell us about your leak. That's definitely a problem and definitely something that needs correction.
    Pictures if you can.

    You will never get proper draft beer with a liquid leak, and you will piss away money if you have a gas leak. Come to think of it, you'll be pissing away beer if you have a liquid leak. So let's have it. We will fix it. No leaks allowed.
    Frustration? Almost there! Don't quit now!

    We have some other minor issues to check out but first things first. Having temps dialed in puts you 90% of the way there. And then...

    Draft Beer Nirvana,

    Cheers.
     
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  20. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Yes, more details on the leak....
    - is it beer or gas? both?
    - is it at the faucet or coupler?
    - you mentioned the coupler didn't come with a washer, what washer did you use?
     
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