Are barleywines easiest to brew?

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  1. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    So it's neither easier or harder, just more time consuming?
     
  2. Superflyjsc

    Superflyjsc Pundit (824) Dec 6, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Has anyone had a barleywine that was absolutely terrible as in drain pour or close to it?
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And what are your thoughts beyond the brew day?

    Cheers!
     
  4. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Great Divide BA Old Ruffian Barley wine was undrinkable to me and my group--a bomber and a 17$+ drain pour.
     
  5. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Absolutely.
     
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Funny, my highest rated American Barleywine is Flying Mouflan at 4.65.
    Granted, back in 2011 I bought a case the day it hit the store and the beer was bottled only a couple days prior. Being that fresh, the hop flavor was amazing. But then it did go through an "awkward phase" over the next year when the hops were faded but the malt flavors didn't shine yet. Still have a couple bottles in the cellar, once the aged malt flavors took over, it was good again, in a completely different way.

    I agree that fresh Blithering Idiot can be quite boozy and harsh. But after about 5 years in the cellar it turns out pretty decent. For English style, I love aged JW Lees Harvest Ale - a 10 year old bottle is my highest rated beer of all time at 4.91.
     
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  7. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I'm so glad I checked this thread. I keep holding a bottle of that in the store, but always set it back saying "another day." Looks like I'll have to find another bottle to swoon over on my weekly visits.
     
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  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Outside the additional time they will probably want on the schedule, or if it can go in a barrel. Not much. Not a big fan of the style tbh.
     
  9. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Yeah, I've quite enjoyed the couple JW Lees I've had so far.
    Barleywines in general seems to be a very polarizing to personal tastes on a beer by beer basis. Much more so than many other styles it seems where people have a more consensus agreement on good ones vs bad ones. Just my observations from lots of forum reading.
     
  10. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I thought IPAs were the easier to because you just add a Bunche of hops?
     
  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I agree that seems to be true with a lot of higher ABV and barrel aged beers - big, bold, and sometimes boozy flavors can be hit or miss with people.
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    IPAs are easier than Barleywines.

    Barleywines max out the mash tuns, so it takes longer to fill, and the extractions suffers. The boils are usually longer to hit the desired OG. The yeast pitch has to be large and viable, plenty of O2, and a second shot later is good. Fermentation control is critical, or it can get boozy from fuselage. Some say open fermentation is good for Barleywines, not all breweries are set up for that.

    So there are a few things that make it more of a challenge.
     
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  13. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    No. That's the simple answer. Most taste the same because mass produced beer isn't about the product, but the profit.

    Hoppy malty, boozy beer called barlywine is all too common. Drink an old Thomas Hardy's or JW Lee's Harvest...that's on another level.
     
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  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I was trying to be facetious.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Ah, once again I take things too literally, the problem with being an engineer.

    IPAs are easier to brew.
     
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  16. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    That's kind of a loaded statement.
    I mean, honestly...who determines what "to style" even means????? (Certainly NOT the BJCP!!!!! All you have to do is read their " guidelines" to know that by and large, it is just a pantload.
     
  17. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    Fresh Bigfoot??? I guess I'm maybe the "odd man out" here, but Bigfoot tastes better to me after it has been in the bottle for a year or more!!!
    Of course, there's no right or wrong way. But I think that like most barleywines, it benefits from age.
    There's a reason that traditionally, barleywines (aka, Old Ales) benefit a great deal from age.

    Freshness is greatly overrated.
     
  18. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    I guess I really like BF both ways--funny how it is so much different each way.
     
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  19. ivegot3Dvision

    ivegot3Dvision Pooh-Bah (1,810) Feb 9, 2015 Oregon
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    I was referring to a beer brewed without adjuncts unless the style calls for it.
     
  20. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Gotta agree about Mother of All Storms
     
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