Chicagoland NE IPAs (2018)

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  1. TigerDriver91

    TigerDriver91 Zealot (741) Jan 17, 2017 Czechia

    This might have to do with the size of the brewery, hop availability, etc. maybe the same hops are not available for the brewer on a regular basis.

    It seems me to the two breweries in Chicago that really focus on dialing in and perfecting their NE beers are Forbidden Root and Corridor, as both have what you could call returning flagship beers on a regular basis which also get improved upon with each release (Snoochie, Radio Swan, Squeeze It, Bendy Straw).
     
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  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    This is one of the main reasons I've essentially stopped buying NE Style IPAs from any Chicago brewery not named Forbidden Root. They're the only one I've had any luck in terms of consistency with *and* they rotate through a regular lineup so I know which ones I like and can buy them with confidence.

    This is something I raised with Hop Butcher before when I got to talk with their brewer. Remember Galaxy Bowl B.1?? That beer was fantastic ... and then they didn't release it again for months and months and when they finally did it wasn't nearly as good as the original one. In between they released a wide variety of beers that were varying degrees of good - some were great, some eh, and some were just bad ... I get wanting to experiment with new recipes and with a brewery like Hop Butcher you don't have a tap room to test out recipes on a small scale. But the bad publicity they got from some of those beers really hurt them in the long run. Imagine if they had just worked on dialing in galaxy bowl and releasing that once a month with maybe one other beer. I think their position in all of this would be completely different.

    You are probably right that hop availability has a lot to do with it, especially with a beer that requires more hops than a more traditional IPA. I know that the special sauce series mainly started as a way to rotate through the hops Mike was able to get while maintaining some level of consistency. That being said, he really has veered into the one off releases dominating his lineup.
     
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  3. KCUnited

    KCUnited Savant (1,038) Nov 11, 2014 Arizona
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    How are the burgers at Tree House?
     
  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    And with Tree House - didn't they just open a huge new production facility within the last year or so? I am sure that has had a huge impact on their availability and production regularity.

    Even with places like Corridor or Forbidden Root, they just are not at the same level or scale of a Tree House or Trillium in terms of production power and output. Frankly its fair to wonder if they ever will since the business models also seem to be very different.
     
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  5. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    This is literally the example I was going to use, and then got too lazy to post. I think availability of galaxy hops was definitely a big issue; I'm thinking they've probably got the style mostly nailed down now, so basically it's a waiting game for the hops themselves.

    Also, I've been asking for this from Chicago breweries in general, ever since NE IPAs started hitting. Given their degree of relative difficulty in brewing, I'd like to see everyone just tweak their "best" beer every few weeks as opposed to doing random experiments every time. If most breweries have a "standard" IPA (or lager, or whatever style they do most), there's no reason that the ones doing NE IPAs shouldn't have one go-to. Corridor has Squeezit, FR has Snooch or Radio Swan (depending on your opinion), etc.
     
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  6. Chuckdiesel24

    Chuckdiesel24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,208) Jul 6, 2016 Illinois
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    I started to quote other messages but realized this sums it up perfectly, and after it everyone on here is mostly agreeing and then adding additional thoughts/perspective. Here's mine.

    In my mind, I think of this as the original model Pipeworks had. Brew different beers every week (though a couple years ago they did go to having about 5 or 6 consistent flagships and putting only those in cans). This isn't unique to Hazy IPA offerings - but it seems to be particularly prevalent for that style.

    When I first got really into craft beer, I thought this model was cool - there were new beers coming out that my friends or I have never had. Today I'm more tired of it. Particularly for the NE IPAs, because, as others have said, I'd rather have more consistency in that style. If a place brews a beer once a year or once every six months, hell, even once every 3 months, I don't know if that's enough to get consistently good at making that batch of beer every time.

    Also have to agree with others, Forbidden Root seems to have picked 4 or so to brew on a rotating basis, with a few experiments thrown in here or there. Not surprising, they are usually in the conversation when someone says "who makes the best NE IPAs".
     
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  7. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I disagree with Corridor they are way too inconsistent and it seems like their "flagships" are always different hops by batch and then when they make "OG" it isn't consistent with the original. As an early fan, I'd rather take my money to Vegas as I've got a better chance of winning than at Corridor these days.
     
  8. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Our standards are getting pretty high in Chicago if we can call Corridor "way too inconsistent" now. :grin:

    (for what it's worth, it's been a couple months since I had a Corridor or FR beer, so I'm not saying I agree or disagree)
     
  9. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    PW was also in a unique place when they started doing that. Local competition in liquor stores was almost nil. It was GI, FFF was only doing 6 packs if you could find them- none of their one off or bombers got distrod, and Half Acre was basically just Daisy Cutter cans.
     
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  10. RexKramer

    RexKramer Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2011 Illinois

    I want to see Mikerphone put out their Nelson Special Sauce again. That was one of my favorites and it seems like it has been ages since it's been released. In fact, it seems like Nelson hopped beers have almost all dried up these days.

    The SS series are definitely akin to PDubs Ninja series in that they cycle through the available hops and I think it's a pretty good way to do things.

    I do agree with folks saying that breweries are releasing too many similar style beers and they should focus on a couple of flagship beers. I know it's great for ticking, but I'd much rather see a place like Forbidden Root who seem to be dialing in a few solid beers and sticking with them for the most part. I'd love to see Radio Swan & Snoochie making it to the point of being like a Lizard King or NvU in that they're widespread and readily available.
     
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  11. Acschoen

    Acschoen Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2015 Illinois

    Maplewood Son of Juice is probably the closest thing we have to be being consistently great, super easy to obtain, and also last pretty long in the can. SOJ is at a ton of restaurants now and sometimes you get an old can and I'm always surprised by how good it still tastes.
     
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  12. jbecke2

    jbecke2 Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2011 Illinois
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    Sounds like FR and Corridor need to contact Great Central and work on some contract brewing.
     
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  13. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Its funny you mention that as Hop Butcher did do that but opted to brew elsewhere since GC wanted them to pick a couple "flagship" beers to dial in and brew regularly and Hop Butcher wanted to brew different beers each batch.
     
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  14. croush

    croush Pooh-Bah (2,407) Mar 20, 2015 Illinois
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    I know that's your opinion (and may be shared by others), but I'd have to say I've had the complete opposite experience with Corridor. Their consistency has been top notch with the beers I've had from them. And most of the beers have been high quality. I'd say that of what I've had, Forbidden Root has been pretty consistent, but their beers have just not been top tier to me. Solid, but I find myself going to Corridor repeatedly (granted, this could have a lot to do with location and a preference for the food).

    It is interesting that those two do seem to be the ones brewing the same beers repeatedly, and are also generally mentioned as the top two NEIPA breweries locally...I'm sure there is some correlation there.
     
  15. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I have to think that aside from brewing talent/understanding the style, a portion of their success comes from the fact that they're both brewpubs, which allows them a little more flexibility in how they do things.

    1) They can offer other stuff whenever they want thanks to having their own brewing space

    and

    2) They can make money off of food and non-beer drinks

    Then you've got guys like Hop Butcher who literally brew 2 beers every few weeks, release them, and then have nothing to sell (besides merch on their website, I suppose), and no place of their own. It's probably a lot tougher to make the decision to brew a beer over and over if it's going to be 50% of the beer you will brew.
     
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  16. PhilBallins

    PhilBallins Savant (1,173) Nov 29, 2016 Illinois

    I think mine may have been some messed up cans. The lighting in the picture makes it look kind of orange, but it was really more brown.
     
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  17. TigerDriver91

    TigerDriver91 Zealot (741) Jan 17, 2017 Czechia

    Cracked a can of my four pack yesterday and it wasn't good.
     
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  18. Coons

    Coons Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2016 Illinois

    I was actually surprised I liked it. I mean again mine didn't have any noticeable flaws in production, I just really REALLY hated overhaze. it was a salty grassy mess. but straws actually had qualities similar to the recent green I had. Keep in mind, I think the style is way overrated and overhyped across the board, but there was nothing "wrong" with it.
     
  19. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    2 things

    1st, galaxy is not a hop you can just brew with year round, its not that available. But i'm sure we all know that.

    2nd, and i think i've mentioned it before, but the yeast HB and Mikerphone were using in Galaxy Bowl and the Special Sauce is SUPER expensive. Because of this, you aren't seeing as many Special Sauce repeats, and im pretty sure HB has moved on from that yeast for every beer except maybe one or two. I don't think anybody in Illinois is brewing with that sacc strain anymore with any regularity. Everyone is using London III from what i can tell

    side note, i think the most recent Hob Butcher stuff is going to hold up really well. Im saving a can of Mirrorball for science. Also saving a can of Sailors Kush for the same reason. That beer was so intense i bet it'll still be delicious 4 months from now. Son of Juice also holds up well, split one that was 3+ months old the other day and was pleasantly surprised.
     
  20. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    Out of curiosity, what strain is the very expensive strain?

    London III is Boddington's, isn't it?
     
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