So, how's Beer Trading going?

Re: comments, and I know this is more future as it would require coding, but what about a "flagging" system on egregiously bad trades? Say, 15 BAs flag a post, it's gone. Just a thought that removes threadshitting while preventing absurd trade requests.

Edit: also 1 and 2, fershur.

 

Either allow replies or nuke the trade forums all together. No replies make for insanely stupid initial posts.

 

It isn't that bad to scroll past them, but as posts like those continue to happen, they will be come the majority and the legitimate offers will be harder to find/stand out. Also if people don't know if the trade didn't get completed it will lead to more of this.

While I agree that there is not going to be any sort of universal agreement on any trade being fair, the guy who was offering up the Stone Mint Chocolate Stouts not only didn't work out a trade, but he continued to post even more ridiculous trades (adding more to the ISO part and taking away from the FT piece). It seems that when people report these threads that 2-3 more pop up.

 

I like #1 and #2. In the past I thought the idea of feedback was good, but there were too many negative comments and it's easy enough to just scroll past trades you're not interested in.

An idea that I think would be great is a boxe on the side of each ISO/FT that said: Trade completed. Then when you've made a trade you could just check the box.

Then people could see what trades actually got completed. Not sure if others like this idea or if it requires a lot of coding, but it would be a quick way to see which trades actually get done.

 

I think that the box idea would work, only if it was set up to have both parties click that it got done. What would stop somebody from checking that they traded their (insert readily available local here) for Dave? Common sense would prevail that it didn't actually happen, but if two (non-linked accounts) agreed that a trade was completed, then it would work.

 

Bad trader list sticky would also help the community as a whole to utilize it a bit more. Aside from trader feedback system, this is the single best thing you can do in my mind.

I also dig black13's idea of "Trade completed" edit to ISO:FT threads. That would help us actually know who to message and who not to, in lieu of comments. Seriously, that's a great idea.

 

Was the issue with ordering the ISO:FT by thread creation time vs last reply time because it would have to apply to ALL forums? If not, I would think allowing comments and having ordered by thread creation would lead to slightly less thread shitting as those would cycle off first page and not be seen so out of sight out of mind sort of thing.

 

Asinine trade threads were the ones that got shit on.

People who spent some time learning first instead of diving in the deep end rarely got threadshit.

Make people spend a few moths being active on the site before allowing them post the ISO:FT forum.

Allow replies again.

 

Also with the number of bad trader threads popping up lately, replying to threads might help people who don't do the research of the other part in the trade. If a notoriously bad trader is offering up beer and it is made publicly known that they are on the bad trader list, it will cut down on members getting scammed. I don't that enough people would reference a bad trader list prior to setting up a trade with somebody who would burn them.

 

I'd like to see bad traders have a "bad trader" tag under their user name or something like that and I love being able to respond to be able to respond again.

 

Allow replies but don't allow the replies to bump the thread! This allows for the best of both worlds.

Part of the problem with replies historically has been that unbalanced threads get lots of discussion, which bumps the threads, and pushes the reasonable, fair trades out. In general, the most replied to threads are the least likely trades to be completed. Yet they are always at the top of the forum. Also, by allowing replies that bump, it encourages people to reply with thinly veiled "bumps" such as supporting their friend or adding a detail or adjusting the trade in some small way.

However, replies and discussion are also a good thing. Constructive feedback, comments, clarification about beers, release information, etc. There is a lot of valuable community discussion that is useful for the community. By allowing replies, this information can be added to a thread. An open community will always thrive more successfully.

 

I call bullshit!!! Because I still get "threadshit mail" for post I make that get completed the same day.

 

Return comments please. People need to gauge what _____ beer is going for these days. It would be a lot more productive. I also noticed trade posts in general declined when commenting was disallowed.

 

Please allow replies to ISO:FT threads.

Replies allow for a transparent diffusion of information that can be really helpful to members of the community (especially young traders).

While moderating the trade forums would become a bit more taxing, the benefit to the greater community would be significant. Doing what's best isn't always doing what's easiest.

 

Care to share some examples of these threadshit convos and trades that got done despite it?

 

Replies in trade threads are very useful. Reading through lots of them back in the day is a big part of how I learned to judge what beers are relatively comparable value-wise.

One person's threadshitting is another person's constructive criticism.

 

Better than share an example of previous experience, let's talk about experiences after no replies enacted. I posted a thread in august : FBSx4 for citra x 1. Within an hour some DB from NJ with a hopslam avitar messages me with a two paragrapgh message explaining to me that citra was a 6 bottle per person release and he traded "X,Y, and Z". If I even wanted consideration I needed to offer more. I got 2 more responses to complete, but did not seal due to indifferences in $ amt. 3 or so days later I found an iso looking for what I offered and sealed the deal.
The whole thing is and get this-
It's not what somebody else thinks about your post, it's what you and your recipient think. All other opions can be displayed on the other site.
I'd rather have a million trades I wouldn't consider than offer something that I thought was comparable just to have some DB say "it ain't happening" when it would - or better yet might have if you didn't open up your big mouth.
If you don't have what poster is looking for (and looking to trade) than you have no business looking at or commenting on posters thread. If poster wanted to know what to offer than he would have posted thread in "help" section.

 

So what's the difference between said douchebag sending you a BM and someone just commenting on your thread? Absolutely nothing.

 

The difference is simple. What if DB from NJ gummed up the works by replying to my thread for all to see? It was over $4$ amt in the first place. If this guys replies by private message to my clearly equivalent trade, what's going to prevent multiple db's just like him???
Preventing replies on posts. It's simple. You don't like it, don't click on it - move on. You have it but want more... Negotiate through private message. Just because DBs in NJ throw down on common beers does not mean we all have to!!!! LoL

 

So despite the "threadshitting" you got a fair trade done?